KingAgamemnon

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How do i NOT get the "Watch what you eat" Dead End 50? (just after having the choices to trick, persuade or threaten him (Father Yuren)).
I've always played this game with the walktrhough mod, always chose green options when available and always chose choices that gave me training, skill or power first. I truly don't know what i'm doing wrong. Every choice goes down to him absorbing me to his cosmic mind.
How much power, skill, training, corruption... (all of them (even government or public)) do i need? Or is it something else?
if you eat both of the cultists, its unavoidable. just don't eat both of them and you're good.
 

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Has anything in the game put a range on mc's ability to communicate with his friends? With the monsters aiming to disrupt humanities communications that seems like it could be important to hero
 

NotMrPieman

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Well if you pay attention, the reason he gains control of you is because you ate those two guys' brains, leave one or both of them alive and you'll be fine.
Hmm, did you eat any of the other cultists? When you eat one MC says some thing like "a haze clouding these thoughts", so that's probably what happened. You ate one or more of the cultists and it gave Yauren enough of a link with MC's mind to consume MC. Try to load a previous save and this time eat NONE of the cultists and see what happens.
if you eat both of the cultists, its unavoidable. just don't eat both of them and you're good.

Thank you all!
 

BobCarter

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If Jake did that it would be full on rape and given we can call him out on all the shit he did that sucked do you really think we wouldn't have that option in prison when he's wallowing in self-pity? or that we wouldn't see it given this is a adult game?
Yes I do believe such. Even more so since he wiped the PC's memories.
 

BobCarter

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Has anything in the game put a range on mc's ability to communicate with his friends? With the monsters aiming to disrupt humanities communications that seems like it could be important to hero
Yeah it's Unlimited. He can communicate with people he knows in the Human World.
 

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This is a little wrong, my thoughts is that it's the one God, split into the Outer Twins when it died, then they made the 6 Arbiters, each of which split in two when they died to become the 12 Apostles. When a being with a complete power dies, like God or the Arbiters, they split into their base parts, allowing them to still live on. Those incomplete halves cannot split when they die, they completely die. That would explain how some Apostles are supposed to be dead for real.

The scene I was referring to before, where we are listening to Chaos' memory, goes as such, "I see them. The enemy. Our kin. Twisted. We are the last. The only three to have prepared. The others were taken as newborns and now... Six. They should be lesser... but are they? Twins... their nature... Our preparations came to naught. We acted to late. All must begin again. Chaos. Burns it all down. Rebirth. The time will come. Our ashes will pave the way. We three... And one other." That, to me, implies some kind of outside enemy, along with the likelihood that three Arbiters and one Outer Twin were left after some attack by said enemy. This also explains my reasoning about God, the twins by themselves are kind of lesser, but if they come together, they can bring forth the original power of their Arbiter. That could easily be extrapolated to the Outer Twins, that if you could bring their powers back together, you could recreate God's might in full.

It could be that Ella is the key, however, there is a problem with that for me. During the Dead End you are talking about, we come face to face with Ella in that state, and we have no idea who Ella is. She's even sad about it before Nico teleports us away to our loss against Deus. It may be that Ella is the one who can prepare the real ritual that allows things to get real nutty, after all, Doll Ella says something like, "The real party can't start without me," in reference to her dead original self.
Ah, I see your perspective now. So in that case, the Outer Twins and the 6 Arbiters existed at the same time at some point. Honestly, I always thought they were formed in consecutive stages, because if the Twins came from God, then the Apostles would only make sense as aspects of God if they emerged *through* the Twins. Otherwise, if all Apostles combined, it would basically mean the creation of a new god altogether.

Now, about that so-called memory of chaos, I’d really need to see that scene in the game to understand the full context. Without it, it’s hard to make sense of the interpretation, it just feels too vague.

And yeah, Ella did seem genuinely sad when she saw us in that state, controlled by the “Eye.” The immediate context suggests she was just shocked by how much we’d been monstrified, but maybe she knows way more than she’s letting on. I used to think Emily would end up playing a bigger role because of that old line from Ella where she said “Emily’s body is even better prepared than someone else's,” hinting that Emily could easily become a superhuman. But after this latest update, I’m starting to believe it really is Ella who’s the actual “key.”
 

corewen

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Still level 3??? The blue balls this man is giving!!!! Was happy witht he first fight that had all the guys and their parents working together, but man, I just don't understand how he did not evolved expecially when the fight with the man boss of the cult.
 

TheShelly

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Still level 3??? The blue balls this man is giving!!!! Was happy witht he first fight that had all the guys and their parents working together, but man, I just don't understand how he did not evolved expecially when the fight with the man boss of the cult.
Probably because it was a shitstomp. MC didn't really struggle at all while fighting Yuren.
 

corewen

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I get the feelign that Father Yuren is being controled by the leader of Sin who can take over bodies that aren't his. I may be wrong with that, but he kept saying lets see how he does this or that.
 
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corewen

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Probably because it was a shitstomp. MC didn't really struggle at all while fighting Yuren.
Its just been so long since he evolved. I mean 1 year of beign on the other planet with all those fights, plus the rediculas fight he had with bitch boy that lead into it, plus the fight he had with those twins before even that, then the fight he had with his dad and all those creatures plus Yuren, its just been a lot ass time and it is crazy.

Also no flashes to the other plent to see what is going on with Ella, and his girlfriend a leadin to a party that never happened on Earth. I just feel blue balled, it was still a killer lead in, but damn
 
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I love how no one has seemed to notice that Shopkeeper is a reference to "I Work in a Half-Priced Voodoo Shop"
 
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Now, about that so-called memory of chaos, I’d really need to see that scene in the game to understand the full context. Without it, it’s hard to make sense of the interpretation, it just feels too vague.
I mean, it's just we go into the fire, we burn, everything goes dark while we listen to the memory, the fire kicks us out. If you have a save that's at the start of the previous update, or the end of two updates ago, it's pretty easy to find. As long as you go into the city, it's the second or third last required event while exploring the city. You can say no thanks to jumping into the fire, but I think the memory it gives is important enough to take the hit.

Maybe Emily is what's important for what's supposed to happen in 7 days. That would explain why Yuren was so adamant about keeping her as part of the cult so much so that he specifically lied to her about Shadow to get her to join/stay.
 
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The first one will definitely affect the story since it’s mandatory. If you meet Glae, you either give her a baby or she kills you. Even if you send Deryl instead, you still meet her again in the dream world, and if you didn’t make her pregnant the first time, you will have to then. So it will impact the story somehow. Maybe it will bridge the gap between humans and monsters if the MC becomes the savior of the universe or something.

The second one seems like it was just added for fun. You get the option to refuse, then the option to kill it. Even if you leave it alive, it just becomes another random monster.
i wish it was a monster of the body like mc is a superhuman of the body plus then we can train it and have an infinite source of monster materials.
 
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I mean, it's just we go into the fire, we burn, everything goes dark while we listen to the memory, the fire kicks us out. If you have a save that's at the start of the previous update, or the end of two updates ago, it's pretty easy to find. As long as you go into the city, it's the second or third last required event while exploring the city. You can say no thanks to jumping into the fire, but I think the memory it gives is important enough to take the hit.

Maybe Emily is what's important for what's supposed to happen in 7 days. That would explain why Yuren was so adamant about keeping her as part of the cult so much so that he specifically lied to her about Shadow to get her to join/stay.
i mean yuren could've possible healed shadow plus if he was puppeted then the thing or person puppertering him might have helped Liz if it really wanted her to stay that badly but if that doesn't happen mc can probably help heal shadow.
 
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Has anything in the game put a range on mc's ability to communicate with his friends? With the monsters aiming to disrupt humanities communications that seems like it could be important to hero
Nothing precise, but we can guess it's in the range of single digit kilometers. The MC could maintain a Memory Link to Michael as he ascended past the clouds, but couldn't link with Alice during her fight with Danu until he entered the arena. Long distance communication is not available, at least for now. I do expect the MC will make a telepathic communication network eventually. That H.E.R.O. agent commenting on how he wishes they had one felt too blatant to not be foreshadowing. Probably it's something he'll do once he evolves.
 

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i mean yuren could've possible healed shadow plus if he was puppeted then the thing or person puppertering him might have helped Liz if it really wanted her to stay that badly but if that doesn't happen mc can probably help heal shadow.
Shadow seems to believe that Yuren was lying, it was the only thing she managed to get out through the pain she was in. I was kind of surprised that we didn't offer to heal Shadow there and then honestly. If I was a highly corrupt MC, then it makes some sense, but I'm not. Probably just to keep Emily and Christie's part of the story consistent for the next part. It might also be part of why or how Emily becomes a superhuman, either to use herself to cure Shadow, or Shadow becoming a part of Emily to stop her from becoming a monster. The Chekov's gun is already set up that she might not make it with her own mental strength.
 

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When did this get debunked? Earnestly, I don't remember anything in the story that implied that they were unrelated, and the Apostles each say that they are, "God's X," (where X is their power, as in God's Authority, ect. ect.) which could imply that God is related to the Arbiters and Apostles, but not the Outer Twins, and maybe them being the Outer Twins, they may be the enemies that Chaos is speaking of, but that only partially debunks what I have said so far. But that raises a different question, if the Outer Twins aren't related to the Arbiters, who is the, "one other," that Chaos talks about?
The one other could be the Eye, him being Evolution has much evidence build up, but is not a fact, he might be something else and what the Memory of Chaos was referring to. Because the Arbiters that did prepared are most likely the last three, as Syla mention that those last Apostles seem 'badly made', so it could be, Outer Twins warp three Arbiters into Six Twin Apostles> The Three Last Arbiters, Soul, Chaos and Paradox fight but lost against their corrupted Siblings and the Outer Twins> Chaos burns the previous universe and vow to their revenge, of the three and the one another, being the Eye.
 
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