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Zolrazz

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What do you all think of this monster that's coming for the invasion of Earth alongside Aglaecwif, Indra, Valravn, and Eisheth Zenunim?

I hope we don't have to fight this thing any time soon, the 2° worst of the chosen ones we can fight
 

Jakitojakito

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Not gonna lie, I NEED to see Mc and Indra run the ones at some point. These mfs have some generational level beef, even WORSE than with Cole. Indra considers him a mistake to be eliminated, killed his mom and made him some pretty nasty scars all when he was a kid. And at least in my playthrough, Mc swore he would get him.
 

Jakitojakito

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Bro, I really can't get this scene off my mind. After so much Superpower stuff, flying, shapeshifting, memory shenanigans, just watching them beating the hell out of each other with nothing more but hands is so satisfying. Not even the last part of Alice vs Danu made me feel the same excitement because Alice was still using her graviton fists.
 
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Not gonna lie, I NEED to see Mc and Indra run the ones at some point. These mfs have some generational level beef, even WORSE than with Cole. Indra considers him a mistake to be eliminated, killed his mom and made him some pretty nasty scars all when he was a kid. And at least in my playthrough, Mc swore he would get him.
I think in every playthrough, no matter what kinda dude you're trying to play, swearing to get revenge is just an auto pick. I think the chosen power ranking goes something like this -> 1. Indra/Algae, 2. Syla/Valvarn....so I think Indra is the strongest chosen in terms of raw power and endurance, and MC wouldnt get anywhere close to him unless hes level 5, even then it would be tough, if not next to impossible, and I know MC is super strong and all, but still. Im most probably gonna be proven wrong. Also, MC and Cole have a one sided beef only. MC doesnt give a flying fuck about him. MC and Indra tho...you can say its the opposite, depending on whether you decided to get revenge or not ofcourse.
 

DrakoGhoul

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What do you all think of this monster that's coming for the invasion of Earth alongside Aglaecwif, Indra, Valravn, and Eisheth Zenunim?
The Rebis is likely not on anyone's side, after this update. Or, a better way to put it. I see the Rebis as something similar to Valravn. Its purpose in being created and becoming a Chosen to the 12th is likely as a bigger goal beyond just the Human vs Monster conflict. For what? Who knows. Even it doesn't know its purpose. Maybe as a Chaos death bomb for the Two Parasites, if the universe looks grim? Valravn implies that the 7th's goal is related to pushing back the Parasites, with him potentially forming the pact with the 9th and 10th for that reason. Maybe Rebis was created for that purpose as well? If any Apostles would hate the Parasites, it would be the Chaos twins, Destruction and Creation.
 

johndqdo

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The Rebis is likely not on anyone's side, after this update. Or, a better way to put it. I see the Rebis as something similar to Valravn. Its purpose in being created and becoming a Chosen to the 12th is likely as a bigger goal beyond just the Human vs Monster conflict. For what? Who knows. Even it doesn't know its purpose. Maybe as a Chaos death bomb for the Two Parasites, if the universe looks grim? Valravn implies that the 7th's goal is related to pushing back the Parasites, with him potentially forming the pact with the 9th and 10th for that reason. Maybe Rebis was created for that purpose as well? If any Apostles would hate the Parasites, it would be the Chaos twins, Destruction and Creation.
Parasites?
 

BenoTF25

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I stand by my theory that Henri pretty much guided Malik and Bernhardt to Paradox. As in, they're connected it to it via their connection to him. Nyx also said something along the lines of Henri helped her somehow be better with the Immaterial World. And we know from the first Origin MC dead end, that the Arbiters, or the Origin has a plane they can connect to that fuels their power.

And the thing about Malik and Bernhardt is we learned that their monsters both have Truth and Fantasy. So if Henri has Paradox or is linked up to its plane. He can connect those two to it as well. So the already strong Bernhardt and Malik would turn out even stronger. That's the only real way to explain why they're basically so strong. Trials don't seem like the full answer since failing doesn't mean you lose it. You can do it later when you're vastly more stronger.

Meaning if Trials were the reason, the Big 3 wouldn't be special. As most of the Superhumans with the better traits, should be superior to them after completing their trials. Especially since most Chosen likely finished theirs. And if we take that as true, they're more powerful than the average Level 5 Superhuman. But not vastly above them.
I like your theory, very much so, would make a lot of sense, because Weird did put a certain emphasis on Malik/Bernhardt being both Fantasy/Truth at base and that their Monsters were siblings(with power and ether respectively as the last ingredient), sure he could have lied and in the end Malik/Bernie end up being some other thing, but with what we know as of now, your idea ring just right. Would even make a comparison with the Invincible Lord/Sky Queen, instead of hoarding the power of an 'Arbiter' to himself, Henri without realizing would have done something more efficient that in the long run put a better resistance against the Apostles, sharing it with two Freak Mutts and elevating them to a level similar to a Full Transcendent Being, the Story does put some emphasis in Cooperation being a nice path after all, and we know the Arbiters lost, the Rulers of the Althumans lost too, Henri doing this, even without realizing the full extent would still be him doing something different, without precedent that could take the Apostles with the pants down.
 

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Parasites?
"Valravn agrees that instincts are a good reason as any for monster to infect and pass their powers to people. He questions why they have such instincts though. He suggests that a certain two parasites desire the connection that comes with that power, specifically the link during ascension. A link inside of superhumans that connects to something else, something beyond this realm. The MC responds that he felt it and wonder about what it was. With Valravn telling him that he doesn't know but that once his lord's work was complete, all such bonds would be sundered."

Wow, I had never paid attention to that. So when a connection forms between an apostle and a superhuman, it actually benefits those two parasites, that bond that's created. And the Seventh wants to break it...
By the way, speaking of the Seventh, what are your theories about him?

What I know so far is that in the memory path involving him, The MC notes that its voice is distinctly masculine ,unlike the other apostles. And he also said something like: “My… Death… Kill… Free… We will be free.”

But who exactly are “we”? And free from what?

Well, the idea of the Seventh being God’s void doesn’t suggest darkness as something inherently evil, but rather as an absence, a perpetual hunger, something that longs to be filled. That interpretation makes a lot of sense to me.
 

BenoTF25

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"Valravn agrees that instincts are a good reason as any for monster to infect and pass their powers to people. He questions why they have such instincts though. He suggests that a certain two parasites desire the connection that comes with that power, specifically the link during ascension. A link inside of superhumans that connects to something else, something beyond this realm. The MC responds that he felt it and wonder about what it was. With Valravn telling him that he doesn't know but that once his lord's work was complete, all such bonds would be sundered."

Wow, I had never paid attention to that. So when a connection forms between an apostle and a superhuman, it actually benefits those two parasites, that bond that's created. And the Seventh wants to break it...
By the way, speaking of the Seventh, what are your theories about him?

What I know so far is that in the memory path involving him, The MC notes that its voice is distinctly masculine ,unlike the other apostles. And he also said something like: “My… Death… Kill… Free… We will be free.”

But who exactly are “we”? And free from what?

Well, the idea of the Seventh being God’s void doesn’t suggest darkness as something inherently evil, but rather as an absence, a perpetual hunger, something that longs to be filled. That interpretation makes a lot of sense to me.
There's a theory going on thanks to the orb Nyx and MC found on the other world, that was a weapon made for the Invincible Lord that according to Nyx had 'Dark, Light' and other thing, anyway, the Orb's description is very similar to what MC describes as the Core of LoD before being killed on the Too Strong Too Soon DeadEnd, bringing forth the idea than the Invincible Lord somehow taked possession of the original 7th Apostle, explaining why it seem so much more powerful than other Apostles(since it would have both it's innate Apostle Power + The Might of a Forgotten Deity that come with the Lord of the Sea) and why it's so adamant in freeing the universe from Gods/it's clearly masculine voice.
 

DrakoGhoul

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"Valravn agrees that instincts are a good reason as any for monster to infect and pass their powers to people. He questions why they have such instincts though. He suggests that a certain two parasites desire the connection that comes with that power, specifically the link during ascension. A link inside of superhumans that connects to something else, something beyond this realm. The MC responds that he felt it and wonder about what it was. With Valravn telling him that he doesn't know but that once his lord's work was complete, all such bonds would be sundered."

Wow, I had never paid attention to that. So when a connection forms between an apostle and a superhuman, it actually benefits those two parasites, that bond that's created. And the Seventh wants to break it...
By the way, speaking of the Seventh, what are your theories about him?

What I know so far is that in the memory path involving him, The MC notes that its voice is distinctly masculine ,unlike the other apostles. And he also said something like: “My… Death… Kill… Free… We will be free.”

But who exactly are “we”? And free from what?

Well, the idea of the Seventh being God’s void doesn’t suggest darkness as something inherently evil, but rather as an absence, a perpetual hunger, something that longs to be filled. That interpretation makes a lot of sense to me.
It's more like the Two Parasites are doing this to specifically steal the power that comes from the connection. As in, if we take the Parasites as being enemies of the Arbiters. They're trying to do a massive work around to steal their power. At least that's the idea that seems to be presented. For whatever reason, they can modify Arbiters into Apostles but can't just flat out take the powers themselves.

As for the 7th, Valravn always referred to him as his King, Lord and so on. Basically, the 7th was always Male. Though, genderless overall. As for the we, it's likely referring to all of his siblings or maybe he remembers something from the days of the Arbiters. We don't definitely know.
 
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"Valravn agrees that instincts are a good reason as any for monster to infect and pass their powers to people. He questions why they have such instincts though. He suggests that a certain two parasites desire the connection that comes with that power, specifically the link during ascension. A link inside of superhumans that connects to something else, something beyond this realm. The MC responds that he felt it and wonder about what it was. With Valravn telling him that he doesn't know but that once his lord's work was complete, all such bonds would be sundered."

Wow, I had never paid attention to that. So when a connection forms between an apostle and a superhuman, it actually benefits those two parasites, that bond that's created. And the Seventh wants to break it...
By the way, speaking of the Seventh, what are your theories about him?

What I know so far is that in the memory path involving him, The MC notes that its voice is distinctly masculine ,unlike the other apostles. And he also said something like: “My… Death… Kill… Free… We will be free.”

But who exactly are “we”? And free from what?

Well, the idea of the Seventh being God’s void doesn’t suggest darkness as something inherently evil, but rather as an absence, a perpetual hunger, something that longs to be filled. That interpretation makes a lot of sense to me.
Idk where you got that quote from, but anyway, the two parasites, the outer twins, the foreign gods from the outside universe, it reinforces my headcannon that when the outer twins attacked and broke the 6 arbiters into 12 apostles, they passed on their universe's rules and laws into ours, influencing us and the apostles, 'corrupting' everything. Im sure the apostles have some sort of connection with the outer twins now because of their influence on them since that calamity, and it seems the 7th wants to 'severe' that connection
 

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Bro, I really can't get this scene off my mind. After so much Superpower stuff, flying, shapeshifting, memory shenanigans, just watching them beating the hell out of each other with nothing more but hands is so satisfying. Not even the last part of Alice vs Danu made me feel the same excitement because Alice was still using her graviton fists.
And that's after literally weaponizing NTR against him. I maintain that no fight is ever going to top this, it's just not possible (pls prove me wrong ww)
 
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