VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[FakeTemplar]

Apparently WW has confirmed that MC should not have the ability to heal people. According to him, MC only was able to save Laurie because Deryl was helping. He also mentioned wanting to recton the prison arc scenes to remove this as an implication.

Araki and WeirdWorld competing over who nerfs their MC the most:

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

You know I just realized Indra's Vajra looks a lot like an advanced weapon designed for use with his lightning, combine that with his hatred for humanity, but is Indra basically an upgraded version of Danu?

Pretty much. We know that Indra was an althuman, though he's one of the oldest of the Chosen and so presumably came from a different planet than Aos and Danu, one of the other human-inhabited planets that Ella implied exist. The Vajra is probably his weapon from before he became a monster and started worshipping the Apostles.

 

[dragonlord6789]

But wasn't Ella able to fix Mia's brain damage by transforming it? If he retcons that part as well, the story will go through a significant change. Unless, he wants to make transforming others Ella's ability alone, which makes me wonder how the mc would escape the prison. Also, technically he doesn't heal people he transforms them into a healthy state, it's like Orihime from bleach reversing time on wounds. Except, unlike Orihime the mc can fail to transform the target to his desired state, not to mention the fact that the mc has only ever practiced on humans.

 

[Ero genius]

You and the stream's title bait me, but It was cool to have my silly questions answered by WW, and yeah fuck CS.

It's copyrighted by Toho now for some reason.

 

[Ero genius]

You and the stream's title bait me, but It was cool to have my silly questions answered by WW, and yeah fuck CS.

It's copyrighted by Toho now for some reason.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

But wasn't Ella able to fix Mia's brain damage by transforming it? If he retcons that part as well, the story will go through a significant change. Unless, he wants to make transforming others Ella's ability alone, which makes me wonder how the mc would escape the prison. Also, technically he doesn't heal people he transforms them into a healthy state, it's like Orihime from bleach reversing time on wounds. Except, unlike Orihime the mc can fail to transform the target to his desired state, not to mention the fact that the mc has only ever practiced on humans.

Ella having the ability to shapeshift others to heal might be retained. It's looking like just MC getting neutered here.

From what I understand, WW wants MC to be able to shapeshift other people, just not being able to heal anything. Presumably this is born out of everybody wondering why MC didn't try to heal his dad or Shadow.

 

[Deleted member 9232069]

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uh oh

I missed the stream goddamit

 

[the-god-destroyer]

I missed the stream goddamit

id just rewatch it

 

[Jonathan Y]

Ella having the ability to shapeshift others to heal might be retained. It's looking like just MC getting neutered here.

From what I understand, WW wants MC to be able to shapeshift other people, just not being able to heal anything. Presumably this is born out of everybody wondering why MC didn't try to heal his dad or Shadow.

Personaly, I don't get how ''being able to shapeshift other people'' and ''healing'' need to be any different ?
Isn't shapeshifting not just rearanging cells, but also growing new ones ? So if yes, then there is no logical reason why shapeshifting need to be separate from healing.

If the Mc's shapeshifting ability can create new cells in someone's body, and alter existing ones, he could heal anything . He could literaly shapeshift someone's body to a healthy state, that's healing.
Personaly I don't get why WW wants to retcon this ? . If it's just due to the Stephen and Shadow things, I don't see how that's reason to dig so far back to fix.

Plus, the Mc having inherited both Memory and Body traits is kind of a key part of the story isn't it ? It makes no sense for Ella to have abilities that are completely beyond the Mc's reach, that would be a huge retcon, and kind of late in the game for that kinda thing.

I hope WW reconsiders.

 

[Deleted member 9232069]

Personaly, I don't get how ''being able to shapeshift other people'' and ''healing'' need to be any different ?
Isn't shapeshifting not just rearanging cells, but also growing new ones ? So if yes, then there is no logical reason why shapeshifting need to be separate from healing.

Personaly I don't get why WW wants to retcon this ? . If it's just due to the Stephen and Shadow things, I don't see how that's reason to dig so far back to fix.

Shapeshifting is a little bit different. Just take diseases for example, caused by small af beings like bacterias, viruses, they are foreign creatures trying to harm you. And also in order to 'heal' using shapeshifting you gotta modify things that are microscopic and even smaller, like cells, neurons, atoms. Ella literally had to gain knowledge similar to a top tier scientist in order to shapeshift down to atomic level. But you're also right in a way, without MC leveling up his memory powers, he won't be able to get as good as ella in shapeshifting, unless he decided to take ellas years long course, and therefore, won't be able to heal other people using ss

 

[Jonathan Y]

Shapeshifting is a little bit different. Just take diseases for example, caused by small af beings like bacterias, viruses, they are foreign creatures trying to harm you. And also in order to 'heal' using shapeshifting you gotta modify things that are microscopic and even smaller, like cells, neurons, atoms. Ella literally had to gain knowledge similar to a top tier scientist in order to shapeshift down to atomic level.

Yes but down to their cores, shapeshifting and healing are the same.

I know Ella does the same, but a key part of the story, and what made the Mc special, especialy to her, was that due to him inheriting both Body and Memory traits, the knowledge she had to spend countless time researching, to him it comes instinctively by interacting with a bodies inherent memories that dwell in a living organism DNA, this is knowledge that the Mc can access due to his Memory traits, it's a huge deal.
Body traits allows him to shapeshift, and Memory traits gives him the know-how. It's a huge factor that makes him special.

This is something that made him special, and Ella commented on it many times, how she is jealous of him, how he is perfect for inheriting both traits, she praises him back in the Monster World for it. I hope WW doesn't rewrite this, it's essential. And saying a shapeshifter can't heal is just nonsensical to me.

 

[FenrisTheBurning]

Yes but down to their cores, shapeshifting and healing are the same.

I know Ella does the same, but a key part of the story, and what made the Mc special, especialy to her, was that due to him inheriting both Body and Memory traits, the knowledge she had to spend countless time researching, to him it comes instinctively by interacting with a bodies inherent memories that dwell in a living organism DNA, this is knowledge that the Mc can access due to his Memory traits, it's a huge deal.
Body traits allows him to shapeshift, and Memory traits gives him the know-how. It's a huge factor that makes him special.

This is something that made him special, and Ella commented on it many times, how she is jealous of him, how he is perfect for inheriting both traits, she praises him back in the Monster World for it. I hope WW doesn't rewrite this, it's essential. And saying a shapeshifter can't heal is just nonsensical to me.

To be fair, Ella can't be relied on for an objective assessment of the MC, she's biased in his favour. Everyone else MC talks to says he's impure and imperfect (not even a perfect 50/50 split between traits). Of course, it's possible that Ella turns out to be correct over all these others in the end, but if WW does retcon away some of his abilities, then maybe he's not really as perfect in reality as he is in her head after all.

 

[Deleted member 9232069]

Yes but down to their cores, shapeshifting and healing are the same.

I know Ella does the same, but a key part of the story, and what made the Mc special, especialy to her, was that due to him inheriting both Body and Memory traits, the knowledge she had to spend countless time researching, to him it comes instinctively by interacting with a bodies inherent memories that dwell in a living organism DNA, this is knowledge that the Mc can access due to his Memory traits, it's a huge deal.
Body traits allows him to shapeshift, and Memory traits gives him the know-how. It's a huge factor that makes him special.

This is something that made him special, and Ella commented on it many times, how she is jealous of him, how he is perfect for inheriting both traits, she praises him back in the Monster World for it. I hope WW doesn't rewrite this, it's essential. And saying a shapeshifter can't heal is just nonsensical to me.

Yeah true it also hurts me that weird individual wants to remove any possibility of MC being able to heal people right now and/or in the future, it's just so not cool and makes zero sense. I don't want MC to be able to become an o.p. healer in any sense, but he atleast should be allowed to learn how to heal like ella or slightly better. Healing logically feels like one of the things body and memory together would be one of the best at, and mc seems to be the perfect spawn of both of them, perfect enough to utilise both of their potential, atleast that's what I think. And as you said, memory and body have the potential to be one of the most broken combos ever, and all those years ella took in order to master body, it would take the mc only months if he uses memory. He could just use the memories of a doctor or biologist or something and do all kinds of healing using his body powers. I know weirdguy is trying to make mc not special or broken or anything like burnhard or henry, but let's be real hes doing somewhat of a poor job at that and we can see how strong and 'special' mc truly is. The story's much more entertaining that way. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about and weirdman would snicker at my lack of superhuman lore knowledge if he reads all this.

 

[Jonathan Y]

Yeah true it also hurts me that weird individual wants to remove any possibility of MC being able to heal people right now and/or in the future, it's just so not cool and makes zero sense. I don't want MC to be able to become an o.p. healer in any sense, but he atleast should be allowed to learn how to heal like ella or slightly better. Healing logically feels like one of the things body and memory together would be one of the best at, and mc seems to be the perfect spawn of both of them, perfect enough to utilise both of their potential, atleast that's what I think. And as you said, memory and body have the potential to be one of the most broken combos ever, and all those years ella took in order to master body, it would take the mc only months if he uses memory. He could just use the memories of a doctor or biologist or something and do all kinds of healing using his body powers. I know weirdguy is trying to make mc not special or broken or anything like burnhard or henry, but let's be real hes doing somewhat of a poor job at that and we can see how strong and 'special' mc truly is. The story's much more entertaining that way. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about and weirdman would snicker at my lack of superhuman lore knowledge if he reads all this.

'' trying to make mc not special or broken ''.
Yeah I hope that's not the fcking case . I was anticipating the Mc returning to Earth as a level four, not a stronger level 3.
I was hoping that after the Monster World arc he would be at a level where should he face Cole again he would be able to hold his own without Deryl's assistance, or also maybe have the means for fighting Tanos and righting the twin's mutilation. But no.

He returned to Earth as stronger level 3, forget about beating Cole on his own, Tanos ? Hell no. Devana and Evander ? Yeah, no way, not at the moment. Other SIN fighters like Met or God forbid, Shen ? ( ok Shen is probably broken but still ), hell no. Approaching HERO's lieutanants like Nico, Alexis, Clark etc ? Noooope, it's gonna be a while, any HERO leutanants are way beyond him right now.
I mean hell I was at one point hoping he would reach a level comparable to the big three, but that seems only possible with the fusion with the Eye entity.

Mc needs to keep stacking power-ups, nerfs are the last things he needs.

 

[TheShelly]

'' trying to make mc not special or broken ''.
Yeah I hope that's not the fcking case . I was anticipating the Mc returning to Earth as a level four, not a stronger level 3.
I was hoping that after the Monster World arc he would be at a level where should he face Cole again he would be able to hold his own without Deryl's assistance, or also maybe have the means for fighting Tanos and righting the twin's mutilation. But no.

He returned to Earth as stronger level 3, forget about beating Cole on his own, Tanos ? Hell no. Devana and Evander ? Yeah, no way, not at the moment. Other SIN fighters like Met or God forbid, Shen ? ( ok Shen is probably broken but still ), hell no. Approaching HERO's lieutanants like Nico, Alexis, Clark etc ? Noooope, it's gonna be a while, any HERO leutanants are way beyond him right now.
I mean hell I was at one point hoping he would reach a level comparable to the big three, but that seems only possible with the fusion with the Eye entity.

Mc needs to keep stacking power-ups, nerfs are the last things he needs.

While the MC not evolving in the Monster World was a dissapointment, we cant forget that all evolutions compound off the pervious ones in their effects. The more power, skill and techniques he accumulates as a level 3, the higher the pay-off of his eventual evolution will be. For that reason, I am fine with the MC not evolving, as long as he can continue development in other ways. As a level 3 he is already exceptionally strong, for the amount he's been one. It can only get better from here.

 

[FenrisTheBurning]

One pattern I noticed, MC had his first evolution when his power was around 10, then it multiplied by 3, the second evolution happened around 100 power and multiplied by 3 again, and with the latest update, we're sitting at about 1000 power (Unless you make some boneheaded decisions in the monster world). So an evolution might be incoming the very next update.

 

[Deleted member 9232069]

'' trying to make mc not special or broken ''.
Yeah I hope that's not the fcking case . I was anticipating the Mc returning to Earth as a level four, not a stronger level 3.
I was hoping that after the Monster World arc he would be at a level where should he face Cole again he would be able to hold his own without Deryl's assistance, or also maybe have the means for fighting Tanos and righting the twin's mutilation. But no.

He returned to Earth as stronger level 3, forget about beating Cole on his own, Tanos ? Hell no. Devana and Evander ? Yeah, no way, not at the moment. Other SIN fighters like Met or God forbid, Shen ? ( ok Shen is probably broken but still ), hell no. Approaching HERO's lieutanants like Nico, Alexis, Clark etc ? Noooope, it's gonna be a while, any HERO leutanants are way beyond him right now.
I mean hell I was at one point hoping he would reach a level comparable to the big three, but that seems only possible with the fusion with the Eye entity.

Mc needs to keep stacking power-ups, nerfs are the last things he needs.

I was actually not expecting him to evolve during his stay in the monster world, judging from the pacing that is. It wouldve felt way too fast to me if it wouldve happened. Evolution is a big deal, and if MC doesnt evolve at the 'right' time and with good pacing, it just would not pack any punch and hype. I think the pacing right now is absolutely perfect, what I am concerned about is that the story might end sooner, without MC being able reach 5th evo, unless weirdworld rushes his evolution from 3rd to 4th to 5th, which wouldnt make any sense unless theres some good explanation, some weird apostle, ella, arbiter shenanigans most likely. Also Im starting to feel henri might be the strongest one out of the big 3 here, after seeing everyone theorize that henri mightve 'brought' malik and burntard to his inner paradox arbiter, and its because of that those two became so broken.

 

[Deleted member 9232069]

man... that doesn’t even come close to explaining how powerful they are. There’s a scene with the three of them flying as if they were equals, the three of the H.E.R.O. If Henri has all that power inside him, it makes zero sense to think those two just happened to get that strong by chance.

we’re talking about power on such a massive scale that even an S+ class monster like Eisheth Zenunim, not just a spawn of the 9th, but the CHOSEN of the 9th, didn’t stand a chance against him. Nothing. Zero. Do you really think the explanation that some people just get really strong is enough to justify those two? Not even close. In my opinion, the most likely explanation is that those two also have something inside them. I don’t know what it is, but that’s definitely the most plausible theory.

My theory is that, just like the Eye only manifested in the MC because he met the necessary 'requirements,' these entities only manifest in a select few in the same way, and I’m not necessarily talking about arbiters. It could be something else entirely that hasn’t been fully revealed yet. The Seahuman Remnant mentioned something about being surprised "they allowed Henri to live", which makes me think that, under certain conditions, these deities can manifest. But since their power is extremely dangerous and overwhelming, maybe the monsters or apostles use their Chosen to control them, something that in Henri’s case, didn’t happen for some reason.

You know for all the talk about how burnhard is so op cuz he destroyed an S+ class 'chosen', and then in these scenes the heroes are basically shitting on eisheth, saying how those two young lv 5 noobs couldnt do their job of killing a godlike creature and they are disappointed and they should be punished and all that.....they are basically saying eisheth aint that strong and beating her was nothing special and it shouldve been possible for the buff girl and burnhards kid.

 

[Deleted member 9232069]

One pattern I noticed, MC had his first evolution when his power was around 10, then it multiplied by 3, the second evolution happened around 100 power and multiplied by 3 again, and with the latest update, we're sitting at about 1000 power (Unless you make some boneheaded decisions in the monster world). So an evolution might be incoming the very next update.

True, but I dont think it multiplied, its just that the evolutions added a fix amount of power, level 2 added 20, level 3 added 200, and judging by coles monster report, his level 4 added 2201 (Going from 902 to 3103)?, unless he increased his power from 902 to 1103 during his fight with the MC (Idk how), then the 2000 was added after than.

 

[BenoTF25]

You know I just realized Indra's Vajra looks a lot like an advanced weapon designed for use with his lightning, combine that with his hatred for humanity, but is Indra basically an upgraded version of Danu?

I mean, he was 100% a Superhuman before, like Syla and Aos(as well as most Chosen) but I don't think he's 100% like Danu, he doesn't seem to hate humanity, more than just see them as enemies, he might even pity them since he has seen them fall countless times before, Indra's a zealot, but even with MC, that he regarded as an aberration(by being a child of a human and a Monster that shouldn't be able to procreate) he talked to him with pity, and was gonna kill him as 'mercy' rather than hate.