VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[BenoTF25]

You know for all the talk about how burnhard is so op cuz he destroyed an S+ class 'chosen', and then in these scenes the heroes are basically shitting on eisheth, saying how those two young lv 5 noobs couldnt do their job of killing a godlike creature and they are disappointed and they should be punished and all that.....they are basically saying eisheth aint that strong and beating her was nothing special and it shouldve been possible for the buff girl and burnhards kid.

The Captains as a whole, even aside Bernhardt and Malik seem to be exceptionally strong level 5, probably because their Decades building power/experience as lvl 4 and maybe just sheer compatibility with their Monster, Stephen talks about all the Captains as Monsters that would live on even if Humanity and the Planet fall, the Lieutenants, even if on the same level, are not as powerful as the Captains.

About Kira and Elijah, they deserve to be punished because they insisted on take on Eisheth, even though they were not powerful enough to the task, their incompetence, and Bernhardt's for having put undeserved faith on them resulting in MC, Deryl and the Twins being captured.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

WW not wanting MC capable of healing reeks of authorial intent. Like, clearly there's gonna be a scene where someone is injured and WW does NOT want MC able to heal them.

 

[Zekethor2]

You know for all the talk about how burnhard is so op cuz he destroyed an S+ class 'chosen', and then in these scenes the heroes are basically shitting on eisheth, saying how those two young lv 5 noobs couldnt do their job of killing a godlike creature and they are disappointed and they should be punished and all that.....they are basically saying eisheth aint that strong and beating her was nothing special and it shouldve been possible for the buff girl and burnhards kid.

Honestly, reading those texts, there’s no indication anywhere that they consider her weak.
It’s only stated that they failed their mission.
It could be that they didn’t fully understand the extent of her powers, or maybe they’re just strong enough to overpower her as well. But nothing suggests it would be as easy as it was for the captain to defeat her.

Yes but down to their cores, shapeshifting and healing are the same.

I know Ella does the same, but a key part of the story, and what made the Mc special, especialy to her, was that due to him inheriting both Body and Memory traits, the knowledge she had to spend countless time researching, to him it comes instinctively by interacting with a bodies inherent memories that dwell in a living organism DNA, this is knowledge that the Mc can access due to his Memory traits, it's a huge deal.
Body traits allows him to shapeshift, and Memory traits gives him the know-how. It's a huge factor that makes him special.

This is something that made him special, and Ella commented on it many times, how she is jealous of him, how he is perfect for inheriting both traits, she praises him back in the Monster World for it. I hope WW doesn't rewrite this, it's essential. And saying a shapeshifter can't heal is just nonsensical to me.

Yeah… but I get WW on this one.
If the MC or Ella could just go around healing like crazy, then only outright fatal injuries would pose any real threat to their allies.
There’d always be the MC ready to patch up any damage.
Michael took a hit to the head? Healed.
Fighting monsters in the monster realm? "Hey MC, come heal me real quick."
It becomes a convenience that even Dragon Ball Super decided to remove during the Tournament of Power — Majin Buu was taken out partly because he could heal.


So what’s the solution?
Maybe go with the idea that healing is difficult, maybe even dangerous — something that comes with serious risks or heavy costs.
But eventually, the MC could reach that level, just not yet.

 

[Deleted member 9232069]

The Captains as a whole, even aside Bernhardt and Malik seem to be exceptionally strong level 5, probably because their Decades building power/experience as lvl 4 and maybe just sheer compatibility with their Monster, Stephen talks about all the Captains as Monsters that would live on even if Humanity and the Planet fall, the Lieutenants, even if on the same level, are not as powerful as the Captains.

About Kira and Elijah, they deserve to be punished because they insisted on take on Eisheth, even though they were not powerful enough to the task, their incompetence, and Bernhardt's for having put undeserved faith on them resulting in MC, Deryl and the Twins being captured.

This is probably how burntard would punish elijah

 

[BenoTF25]

This is probably how burntard would punish elijah View attachment 5083566

Send him to Jupiter, literally.

 

[a1batross]

In my opinion, nerfing MC’s healing into nothing is just wrong. If you want a retcon, make it simple:
He can only repair organs or major wounds for people whose bodies aren’t powerful enough to resist his shapeshifting power (like what he did in the prison, with Jordan and with Laurie).
That’s balanced, no miracle healing mid-fight, but he’s still valuable. Don’t strip him of every cool ability just to make him “less special.”

 

[Zekethor2]

In my opinion, nerfing MC’s healing into nothing is just wrong. If you want a retcon, make it simple:
He can only repair organs or major wounds for people whose bodies aren’t powerful enough to resist his shapeshifting power (like what he did in the prison, with Jordan and with Laurie).
That’s balanced, no miracle healing mid-fight, but he’s still valuable. Don’t strip him of every cool ability just to make him “less special.”

Good solution, although that doesn’t really solve all the problems.
For example, Laurie was level 2 there, and the MC was level 3 fair enough.
But Michael is also level 2, and the MC didn’t regenerate his face.
And Shadow is a dog, and he didn’t heal her either.

I think the best solution is that regeneration just isn’t his strong suit at his current level.
That’s actually what I thought when he didn’t even suggest healing Shadow.
If we go back, he also hesitated to use his powers to shrink Angelina’s boobs.

So maybe there’s no need for a retcon, just clarify it in the next update.
Like, Emily could ask if he can heal Shadow, and he replies that it’s dangerous, that it’s a skill he doesn’t fully control yet.
Not like Ella, who healed Mia, but Ella was already level 5 at that point.

 

[SatanaelChaos]

True, but I dont think it multiplied, its just that the evolutions added a fix amount of power, level 2 added 20, level 3 added 200, and judging by coles monster report, his level 4 added 2201 (Going from 902 to 3103)?, unless he increased his power from 902 to 1103 during his fight with the MC (Idk how), then the 2000 was added after than.

It was said in the monster report that he got more power than usual from his evolution because he spent so long as a lvl 3

 

[KingAgamemnon]

It was said in the monster report that he got more power than usual from his evolution because he spent so long as a lvl 3

I guess that means the Level 5 evos for the captains were crazy. If we assume its a sort of percentage, then since Cole spent I want to say 5 years as a Level 3? and got a 10% boost, then the Captains got damn near double the normal boost for a Level 5 evo. If the pattern holds, that means the simple act of evolving to Level 5 granted them ~40,000 power.

 

[SevAnsul]

Finally caught up to the end of the current patch. Now, before I start all over and make a save for the hopefully 1.0 version... is there a tl;dr on what Corruption actually offers and/or takes away? I'd read through the thread, but almost 30k posts is a little daunting.

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

Good solution, although that doesn’t really solve all the problems.
For example, Laurie was level 2 there, and the MC was level 3 fair enough.
But Michael is also level 2, and the MC didn’t regenerate his face.
And Shadow is a dog, and he didn’t heal her either.

I think the best solution is that regeneration just isn’t his strong suit at his current level.
That’s actually what I thought when he didn’t even suggest healing Shadow.
If we go back, he also hesitated to use his powers to shrink Angelina’s boobs.

So maybe there’s no need for a retcon, just clarify it in the next update.
Like, Emily could ask if he can heal Shadow, and he replies that it’s dangerous, that it’s a skill he doesn’t fully control yet.
Not like Ella, who healed Mia, but Ella was already level 5 at that point.

Yeah, that's how I'd do it. Just acknowledge that the MC hasn't focused his training on fleshwarping others. He's spent maybe a couple hours learning to do it, total. And that was aimed at learning cosmetic changes for the sake of disguise, not repairing damaged nervous systems or supernaturally-inflicted scars. Trying to heal people with no idea what you're doing is more likely to just make things worse. Maybe the MC could learn to heal eventually, but he's already got a ton of other things to train, and there are other people he knows who can heal, so he's not making it a priority.

 

[KKStrider]

I can understand why Ella has the ability to heal. Her powers work off of both theoretical and extensive practical knowledge. She sucked with Memory according to herself, so her variant of the Body trait is extremely reliant on not only knowing but using anatomical knowledge to go beyond her default form. She wants to make something new? She builds it from scratch without a base to work off, and her powers let her do precise atomic level changes. Healing someone else should absolutely be within her grasp after years of all that.

As for why the MC can't heal properly, that'd be a bit hard to explain within the boundaries of his currently established lore. Yes, he can't do atomic changes without memories, to the point that his metal making abilities are actually reliant on the sensation Ella provided him. It still leaves questions up in the air though. However, It might be semi-explainable even without a retcon.

At the moment, the MC's ability to transform a body is currently established by the Jake Arc's prison section to rely on both pre-existing memories close to or of the target and knowing how much power to feed into approximate body sizes, else he turns them into a screaming chunks of meat. There are a couple explanations you could provide that align with that.

• You could say that all the missing flesh caused by combat damage would throw off his estimate and make it too risky to try in anything except the most dire emergenies.
• a1batross's explanation could be expanded upon for superhumans. You could say that trying to extensively alter superhumans is extra risky. He struggled with how a normal human's flesh responded to him feeding power into it, another superhuman's internal energies fighting against his invading MP would only make estimations even more complex. He'd have to account for size, MP usage, and how much of the MP he feeds into the flesh gets eliminated. That last one would probably be extra hard to gauge because of variances in maximum internal MP levels, how depleted they are etc. Healing a superhuman who'd been hurt by another superhuman would add a fourth variable to account for to make it extra, extra risky. We know from Jared's bolt that he'd have to feed in power to eliminate the MP from any powers that are negatively affecting his healing target too.
• For diseased characters like shadow, an explanation could be that the alterations to the body the disease has made could also throw off his size estimates. A tumour making a bunch of extra internal tissue or a bunch of internal damage invisible from an external inspection could create changes in mass that'd make it too risky to eyeball.
• If we're just meeting an injured character, we can reuse the explanation that was used when he was trying to deal with Mia as a Level 2. Before he knew how his powers worked, he suspected he'd supplant his memory of Mia's healed form with her damaged form if he touched her again. This doesn't seem to be how his powers work, as he can shift into his younger self just fine now, but it would be a valid explanation as to why he can't save someone he's never touched before that's dying or injured.

 

[Dipasimaan]

Apparently WW has confirmed that MC should not have the ability to heal people. According to him, MC only was able to save Laurie because Deryl was helping. He also mentioned wanting to recton the prison arc scenes to remove this as an implication.

 

[Zekethor2]

Michael time guys!

Just dropped a new song "Blood and Flame" about Michael with some ""small animations"" this time! ⚡

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[necromater]

Michael time guys!

Just dropped a new song "Blood and Flame" about Michael with some ""small animations"" this time! ⚡

Watch here:

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perfect

i dont even like pop music


and i mean goooooooooooood

 

[obibobi]

I can understand why Ella has the ability to heal. Her powers work off of both theoretical and extensive practical knowledge. She sucked with Memory according to herself, so her variant of the Body trait is extremely reliant on not only knowing but using anatomical knowledge to go beyond her default form. She wants to make something new? She builds it from scratch without a base to work off, and her powers let her do precise atomic level changes. Healing someone else should absolutely be within her grasp after years of all that.

As for why the MC can't heal properly, that'd be a bit hard to explain within the boundaries of his currently established lore. Yes, he can't do atomic changes without memories, to the point that his metal making abilities are actually reliant on the sensation Ella provided him. It still leaves questions up in the air though. However, It might be semi-explainable even without a retcon.

At the moment, the MC's ability to transform a body is currently established by the Jake Arc's prison section to rely on both pre-existing memories close to or of the target and knowing how much power to feed into approximate body sizes, else he turns them into a screaming chunks of meat. There are a couple explanations you could provide that align with that.

• You could say that all the missing flesh caused by combat damage would throw off his estimate and make it too risky to try in anything except the most dire emergenies.
• a1batross's explanation could be expanded upon for superhumans. You could say that trying to extensively alter superhumans is extra risky. He struggled with how a normal human's flesh responded to him feeding power into it, another superhuman's internal energies fighting against his invading MP would only make estimations even more complex. He'd have to account for size, MP usage, and how much of the MP he feeds into the flesh gets eliminated. That last one would probably be extra hard to gauge because of variances in maximum internal MP levels, how depleted they are etc. Healing a superhuman who'd been hurt by another superhuman would add a fourth variable to account for to make it extra, extra risky. We know from Jared's bolt that he'd have to feed in power to eliminate the MP from any powers that are negatively affecting his healing target too.
• For diseased characters like shadow, an explanation could be that the alterations to the body the disease has made could also throw off his size estimates. A tumour making a bunch of extra internal tissue or a bunch of internal damage invisible from an external inspection could create changes in mass that'd make it too risky to eyeball.
• If we're just meeting an injured character, we can reuse the explanation that was used when he was trying to deal with Mia as a Level 2. Before he knew how his powers worked, he suspected he'd supplant his memory of Mia's healed form with her damaged form if he touched her again. This doesn't seem to be how his powers work, as he can shift into his younger self just fine now, but it would be a valid explanation as to why he can't save someone he's never touched before that's dying or injured.

I can understand Ella's ability to heal at the time, when Mia was injured, the MC hadn't had his powers for very long and lacked any real experience changing others, but given the established differences of their powers, all things equal, he should be so far ahead of her. Ella's forte has been shown in the specific, she takes on forms she's studied, which is why man-made materials or things she's never even encountered come so much easier, but the MC's memory power has made the biological effortless.

As for size and estimates, the prison moment was so long ago, he was just starting out, we've seen him effortlessly alter other people since then with no risk, which would be so much harder than healing and his power has come on leaps and bounds, there's a world of difference between the early level 2 and the late stage level 3, not just in power but the experience with memory.

Also that moment with Mia, understandable he had Deryl's help with that one, because that goes way beyond mere healing, the 2 of them basically reversed death on a level 2 Superhuman, they didn't heal Laurie, they reversed her head from gooey mess. Now that would be OP if he could just reverse death, but healing, it would require some heavy retconning to explain why he can do some of these things, but can't heal.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

I guess that means the Level 5 evos for the captains were crazy. If we assume its a sort of percentage, then since Cole spent I want to say 5 years as a Level 3? and got a 10% boost, then the Captains got damn near double the normal boost for a Level 5 evo. If the pattern holds, that means the simple act of evolving to Level 5 granted them ~40,000 power.

Thinking about this made me want to estimate the total power the Captains have, not counting the Big 3 because they're insane.

MC average power per day as a Level 1: ~0.33
MC average power per day as a Level 2: ~1.1
MC average power per day as a Level 3: ~8.425

Assuming an exponential growth (because this shit ain't linear), line of best fit is given by 0.0212938e^(1.99339x).
This predicts that MC's average power per day as a Level 4 will be ~61.8, and as a Level 5 will be ~453.7.

Let's also assume that each evo's power boost multiplies by 10 each time, so Evo 4 gives 2000 and Evo 5 gives 20000.

Based on the fact Cole got bonus power as a result of being Level 3 for so long, let's also assume that this is also true and a percentage of the total evo power boost. Cole got ~10% extra power for being Level 3 for an estimated 5 years or so.

Estimating the current power of the Captains (not counting the big 3):
Assume each followed MC's growth patterns without any additional boosts or time bonuses up until Evo 4. So while M-Corp is active, each was Evo 4 with a presumed ~3k power. Since then, they remained at Evo 4 for approximately 50 years, before being given the serum and evolving to Evo 5.

High end estimation: Assume MC's growth pattern takes place over the estimated 80 counted days (MC evolved at day 99, and it is currently around day 180). 365/80 * 61.8 = 281.9625 average power gained per year times 50 years is an additional 14,098 power plus the initial 3k gives us an estimate of 17,098 power prior to receiving the serum. If we then assume that you get 10% extra power from your evo for every 5 years you were at that evo, then that results in a doubled evo boost of 40,000, meaning the Captains post serum have approximately 57k power.

Low end estimation: Assume MC's growth pattern takes place over the estimated 1 year (Approximately that's how long the twin + monster world arc has been). That means 61.8 power per year, times 50 gives an additional 3k power. Other assumptions about evo boost due to time hold and the Captains have approximately 46k power post serum.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Upon further reflection, I think I need to discount the low end estimation. I performed a sanity check, whereby I assumed that the Captains evolved during M-Corp, then followed along with the estimated Level 5 power growth. High end estimated to have 126.5k power by the time the current story takes place, which makes sense that it would be stronger, but the low end estimate fell just short at 45.7k power, which seems to imply that the power boost you get from waiting on your fifth evo is roughly equal to the training you would have gotten had you just evolved initially, which doesn't make sense.

 

[as22]

Apparently WW has confirmed that MC should not have the ability to heal people. According to him, MC only was able to save Laurie because Deryl was helping. He also mentioned wanting to recton the prison arc scenes to remove this as an implication.

When you say this, what do you mean by "confirm"? Where is he confirming this

 

[KingAgamemnon]

When you say this, what do you mean by "confirm"? Where is he confirming this

The stream. Check his youtube or twitch and watch the most recent vod, he says it in there.