VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[sirpedro7]

Why do they say that Indra served as an avatar for the apostle of power? I ask because I don't remember any mention of this or anything like that happening in the game.

 

[johndqdo]

Why do they say that Indra served as an avatar for the apostle of power? I ask because I don't remember any mention of this or anything like that happening in the game.

There’s a dialogue in the game that describes him with something like "both chosen and avatar" or something like that.

 

[AlexKaiser2626]

Why do they say that Indra served as an avatar for the apostle of power? I ask because I don't remember any mention of this or anything like that happening in the game.

"In the fight against Syla, he refers to himself as the chosen one of power and avatar."

 

[sirpedro7]

That's right! That's when they're giving their presentations, but there are things about that statement that raise more questions. It's illogical to think that to be an avatar you need to be chosen, so if you can't get some kind of advantage after having hosted a hydra apostle, it would be more like a title of honor. either that or being an avatar gives you something. It's possible that one of the reasons why Guisas is currently the strongest chosen one is, among other things, because he hosted the apostle of power. And I still have doubts... is the 2nd an ally or enemy of the 7th? Val said in his first encounter with the MC that the “enemy” began to move and it was with the appearance of the 2nd that Michael was converted; but then did Hydra stop serving the 2nd by going against Syla?

 

[AlexKaiser2626]

That's right! That's when they're giving their presentations, but there are things about that statement that raise more questions. It's illogical to think that to be an avatar you need to be chosen, so if you can't get some kind of advantage after having hosted a hydra apostle, it would be more like a title of honor. either that or being an avatar gives you something. It's possible that one of the reasons why Guisas is currently the strongest chosen one is, among other things, because he hosted the apostle of power. And I still have doubts... is the 2nd an ally or enemy of the 7th? Val said in his first encounter with the MC that the “enemy” began to move and it was with the appearance of the 2nd that Michael was converted; but then did Hydra stop serving the 2nd by going against Syla?

I believe that, as such, one doesn't need to be chosen—just to be from the apostle's lineage. Of course, it's obvious that in physical form, monsters who aren't as strong as the chosen ones die because they can't withstand so much power, and the apostle returns to the higher plane."

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Some of you are really mixing up what I said and taking certain things too literal, I see. When I said Black Mouth was a "hater" of those of the 3rd and 4th, I didn't mean he's literally hating them with a burning passion to eradicate them all. I'm saying he looks down on them and thinks they're weak. Which seems to drive him to put those of Body and Memory under his Authority as proof. As was directly said in the cupcake memories. In the memories, he forced one of them to submit, if they want to be spared. The keyword here is, if they want to be spared. Otherwise, he'll kill them like he did the long forgotten previous 3rd Chosen (Shape-Changing Heart).






Also, some of you are confusing the old friend thing that I was mentioning. Aglaecwif is the oldest Chosen that was next to Ella in the Battle of Diamonds and her "Old Friend" is Black Mouth, according to himself in this update. Ella's friend that told her most of this information is unknown. And no, Black Mouth saying "Dearest Ella" isn't hinting at any sort of affection or friendship. That shit has as much truth in it as Aglaecwif calling MC her "love" after she told him earlier that she doesn't know how anyone could love someone that's not of their blood.



Just in case there's somehow more confusion. From my previous post.

Aglaecwif = Oldest Chosen with vast Knowledge next to Ella during the battle of diamonds.

Old Friends = Aglaecwif + Black Mouth (According to himself), hence Ella could find out about him from Aglaecwif.

Ella's Old Friend that gives her knowledge = Unknown, as she's yet to say who it is and it changes based on the context. Like Valravn being the "old friend" who told her about the Parasites from beyond the Outer Spheres.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Why do they say that Indra served as an avatar for the apostle of power? I ask because I don't remember any mention of this or anything like that happening in the game.

Took a bit to track down. I should really save these character cards. Anyway, it's from the Asura card. Indra is referred to as a Chosen and Avatar. It's also where his number comes from. M91.


Though, during Syla fight, he mentions how Apostates can't incarnate. Which implies that some of other Chosen could possibly use this Apostle Avatar form like him. Possibly even Syla before she was sent off by the 4th. But I imagine it's probably an extremely limited amount of them that can actually do it. Like I doubt Aos and Eisheth could. Valravn though? Maybe.

 

[Its kakashi]

Can anyone provide the latest version in Android

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Can anyone provide the latest version in Android

https://f95zone.to/threads/superhuman-v0-9999b-public-weirdworld.74436/post-9606367

 

[kazuan]

I don't know if I'm grasping at straws here but in the cupcake flashback when it said:"Bleeding the body, Bleeding the dark, Bleeding the destruction"
That is the champion of Authority, 1st, "bleeding" the chosen/champions of 3rd(Body), 7th(Dark) and 11th(Destruction). It caught my attention because those are all odd numbered but two were left out: 5th(Time) and 9th(Truth).

The only chosen we know from these are: The Dark, Valravn, and Truth, Eisheth. The memory is likely from a very long time ago and Valravn was born during the middle ages so it may have been a previous chosen of Dark, if it was anything like Valravn then it likely didn't kneel and was killed which may explain why the position was open for Valravn to fill.
I wonder if this means Eisheth was either too powerful to fight or if she had already been beaten and knelt to Authority. That's assuming she was the chosen around the time of the memory but considering she is old enough to have visited Earth millennia ago it is possible.

Were those three mentioned for a reason? Were the two left out for a reason? Are the odd numbering significant? Was this just a random historical event to showcase the might of Authority's champion and three random victories were given just as examples and brevity? Is the lack of updates getting to me? Surely not.

Oh and didn't doll Ella say she got her special eyes from an old friend? I seem to recall her mentioning that in the monster world.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

I don't know if I'm grasping at straws here but in the cupcake flashback when it said:"Bleeding the body, Bleeding the dark, Bleeding the destruction"
That is the champion of Authority, 1st, "bleeding" the chosen/champions of 3rd(Body), 7th(Dark) and 11th(Destruction). It caught my attention because those are all odd numbered but two were left out: 5th(Time) and 9th(Truth).

The only chosen we know from these are: The Dark, Valravn, and Truth, Eisheth. The memory is likely from a very long time ago and Valravn was born during the middle ages so it may have been a previous chosen of Dark, if it was anything like Valravn then it likely didn't kneel and was killed which may explain why the position was open for Valravn to fill.
I wonder if this means Eisheth was either too powerful to fight or if she had already been beaten and knelt to Authority. That's assuming she was the chosen around the time of the memory but considering she is old enough to have visited Earth millennia ago it is possible.

Were those three mentioned for a reason? Were the two left out for a reason? Are the odd numbering significant? Was this just a random historical event to showcase the might of Authority's champion and three random victories were given just as examples and brevity? Is the lack of updates getting to me? Surely not.

Oh and didn't doll Ella say she got her special eyes from an old friend? I seem to recall her mentioning that in the monster world.

The memory is likely ancient. Possibly during the Original Chosen reign. Basically Aglaecwif's era. So the Chosen back then were likely all different except for maybe two or three. Especially since the Body Chosen that got killed by the 1st Chosen isn't the same as the one that got killed much later when Valravn was turned. Neither was the previous 7th Chosen that was bled being Valravn. It was likely Beatrice, though that's just speculation.

As for why 5th and 9th weren't mentioned. I guess the 1st Chosen didn't have a reason to fight them or maybe they didn't want to fight him? He wasn't going after odd numbers particularly. They likely just happened to be the Chosen he killed.

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

I don't know if I'm grasping at straws here but in the cupcake flashback when it said:"Bleeding the body, Bleeding the dark, Bleeding the destruction"
That is the champion of Authority, 1st, "bleeding" the chosen/champions of 3rd(Body), 7th(Dark) and 11th(Destruction). It caught my attention because those are all odd numbered but two were left out: 5th(Time) and 9th(Truth).

The only chosen we know from these are: The Dark, Valravn, and Truth, Eisheth. The memory is likely from a very long time ago and Valravn was born during the middle ages so it may have been a previous chosen of Dark, if it was anything like Valravn then it likely didn't kneel and was killed which may explain why the position was open for Valravn to fill.
I wonder if this means Eisheth was either too powerful to fight or if she had already been beaten and knelt to Authority. That's assuming she was the chosen around the time of the memory but considering she is old enough to have visited Earth millennia ago it is possible.

Were those three mentioned for a reason? Were the two left out for a reason? Are the odd numbering significant? Was this just a random historical event to showcase the might of Authority's champion and three random victories were given just as examples and brevity? Is the lack of updates getting to me? Surely not.

Oh and didn't doll Ella say she got her special eyes from an old friend? I seem to recall her mentioning that in the monster world.

My guess is that the dead Chosen of Authority in that memory is just bragging about what victories they did get, to avoid the person they're trying to intimidate pointing out "but wait, someone had to have killed you, so are you really that awesome?". So probably it was that the Chosens of Time or Truth were too strong for them to defeat, and so beat them when they tried to. Or maybe a different Chosen entirely interrupted their "kill all the other odd-numbered Chosen to establish dominance" plan. Indra, maybe. Feels like something Indra would get up to.

As for Ella, no, she says that she got her knowledge of the gods from her friend. Her eyes came from her doing "something special", which was probably an evolution ritual like Michael was aiming for. The comments she makes while in a monsterfied state while killing her classmates implies that that was part of her ritual.

 

[BenoTF25]

With all the Avatar talk, I'm a bit curious of their function, the Apostles on their own can already use disposable bodies, and with the Power they have, I dobut they need more than a minutes to reduce most beings on the Verse to nothing, so what's special about Indra being able to incarnate Power?, maybe is a more stable form?, last longer?, get some perks of the mutations the Avatar/Monster developed that the Apostle itself lacks?

Is a bit tricky, because I don't really think a Chosen can withstand the full power of their Deity pumping in them straight from the upper plane.

 

[aguy57]

is the game complete or should I wait before dling ?

 

[dolfe67]

is the game complete or should I wait before dling ?

No and no

 

[AlexKaiser2626]

With all the Avatar talk, I'm a bit curious of their function, the Apostles on their own can already use disposable bodies, and with the Power they have, I dobut they need more than a minutes to reduce most beings on the Verse to nothing, so what's special about Indra being able to incarnate Power?, maybe is a more stable form?, last longer?, get some perks of the mutations the Avatar/Monster developed that the Apostle itself lacks?

Is a bit tricky, because I don't really think a Chosen can withstand the full power of their Deity pumping in them straight from the upper plane.

Obviously, Indra is more suitable to withstand the power of his apostle. It's also about his blind faith in the apostle. And regarding whether he can endure all the power of his apostle—I’m not so sure. The second apostle is careful not to harm his body, since Indra is loyal to him. Why have other avatars when you have a chosen one who can bear more of your power than the others

 

[Deleted member 9635502]

Why do they say that Indra served as an avatar for the apostle of power? I ask because I don't remember any mention of this or anything like that happening in the game.

I think because Indra was such a good boy to the 2nd, Power gave him a boon, an ability known as incarnation or something, it would make it so Indra gets the powers of 2nd himself temporarily, absolutely broken stuff, or I guess like the people saying here, he would become a vessel, an avatar for 2nd to embody and project its unlimited power across the universe, cuz apostles reside in the uppear realm and I guess they need avatars so that they can 'descend' onto the universe and project power. I think they can make those avatars themselves no problem without the need for other bodies, like 3rd and 4th did when they infected MC, or when 2nd did when he infected Michael.

 

[BenoTF25]

I think because Indra was such a good boy to the 2nd, Power gave him a boon, an ability known as incarnation or something, it would make it so Indra gets the powers of 2nd himself temporarily, absolutely broken stuff, or I guess like the people saying here, he would become a vessel, an avatar for 2nd to embody and project its unlimited power across the universe, cuz apostles reside in the uppear realm and I guess they need avatars so that they can 'descend' on the universe and project power. I think they can make those avatars themselves no problem without the need for other bodies, like 3rd and 4th did when they infected MC, or when 2nd did when he infected Michael.

Yeah, that's something that bugs me a little, we have seen Power, Body, Memory and Dark all descend on the Universe from the upper plane themselves, Xanthe even found the 'corpse' of Light and Time.

Regarding Indra though, I'm still a bit at lost in how he's so 'pampered' by the Second, for all little we have seen about Power, is that he(or it) desire a worthy opponent, Michael's final goal, nurtured by the Second itself, is to eventually face the Apostle on an epic 1vs1 when he's powerful enough, with that being said, Indra being a cock-sucker for the Second despite his own might, should make of him a disappointment in the great scheme of things, as the Second want to meet a worthy enemy, not a glazer

 

[kazuan]

As for Ella, no, she says that she got her knowledge of the gods from her friend. Her eyes came from her doing "something special", which was probably an evolution ritual like Michael was aiming for. The comments she makes while in a monsterfied state while killing her classmates implies that that was part of her ritual.

From reading the wiki the school massacre seem to have been both to trigger her 3rd evolution while also being "a step on her Path to Ascension" which she failed due to not killing Christie. Doll Ella said during the monster world arc that she received her eyes "after passing a certain trial", so assuming the wiki is correct and doll Ella wasn't lying it's likely that the eyes were from a separate trial.
I'm split whether to put the eye trial before or after the massacre though since the 4th basically considered her a failure but "still good for breeding". It would be odd to keep giving ascension trials to a failure, although the eyes do help tremendously in making more superhumans which is a type of breeding.

I think they can make those avatars themselves no problem without the need for other bodies, like 3rd and 4th did when they infected MC, or when 2nd did when he infected Michael.

When an Apostle manifests they usually just use a nearby monster as a host so in a way any monster can "incarnate" an Apostle though they die pretty quick from it. Maybe the 2nd don't like leaving corpses behind that others can use to become a greater spawn without his consent, only wanting those worthy and all that.

Regarding Indra though, I'm still a bit at lost in how he's so 'pampered' by the Second, for all little we have seen about Power, is that he(or it) desire a worthy opponent, Michael's final goal, nurtured by the Second itself, is to eventually face the Apostle on an epic 1vs1 when he's powerful enough, with that being said, Indra being a cock-sucker for the Second despite his own might, should make of him a disappointment in the great scheme of things, as the Second want to meet a worthy enemy, not a glazer

Maybe Indra is ment to be a trial rather than a contender. He is the bar you must pass in order for the 2nd to consider you worthy of fighting and both his weapon Vajra and his ability to incarnate were given to him to make him all the more challenging.

Something I just thought of: When an Apostle uses a monster as an avatar that monster transforms into that Apostles body, genetics and all. Otherwise their corpses wouldn't be able to make greater spawn. Indra's ability to incarnate must mean he either transforms back to his original body or he doesn't transform at all.

 

[Jonathan Y]

the Second want to meet a worthy enemy, not a glazer

Wow I'm a bit lost, where was it hinted that the Second wants a worthy opponent ? I mean I remember Michael saying in his dream sequence that his goal is to prepare to face his Apostle, but where was it stated that the Second's goal is a 1v1 ?

It seems the Second, just like most of the rest just want to goad their spawn to reach higher heights, but where was it stated that the Second's goal is to actualy fight it's spawn himself ?
I mean it seems like the kind of goal you'd have a Baki or Dragonball character come up with, rather than a Apostle, idk, it would be a bit dissapointing to me if that was revealed to be it's goal.

Though also kinda funny I guess, imagining all other Apostles gunning for their spawn to reach Chosen level, and propegate their own supremacy over other Chosen, and meanwhile the Second just wants to fight it's own Spawn, like a cosmic scale Yujiro or some shit.