VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[lorkdubo]

Oh shit, was this all in the latest update? Memory of the latest update is pretty hazy rn.

But Alice can shoot up to second for me then behind Liz. Mainly cause it makes even more sense for her to be with Micheal after the revelation. And it doesn't feel as personal to the MC as Liz's story did. Her relationship hinged on you having superpowers. Liz's depended on you being hard-working and motivated.

Above Ella cause her relationship is kinda in a limbo rn.

I don't like the idea of pairing everyone with someone else just because. It feels very cheap. You have to understand that when LI's end up with the MC is because of an active participation and being pro-active towards being with that LI, and towards an extent every LI was made to be with the MC. If you just match between people, it feels weird. Also, people don't need relationships and is fine being alone.

 

[Bleh21]

I don't like the idea of pairing everyone with someone else just because. It feels very cheap. You have to understand that when LI's end up with the MC is because of an active participation and being pro-active towards being with that LI, and towards an extent every LI was made to be with the MC. If you just match between people, it feels weird. Also, people don't need relationships and is fine being alone.

Im clearly not talking about pairing people up just because. Amber - Deryl, Micheal - Alice, Jake - Mia, Emily - Christine - Ella etc all have prior history and would make perfect sense if they got together, it would actually be better for the story if anything. Its the harem thing that makes it cheap, literally nothing romantic is allowed outside of the MC's active participation. You can literally feel the world and characters freezing in place outside of the MC's presence.
Clearly no one is fine with being alone (at least female) cause they are all willing to degrade themselves by being a part of a god damn harem!!!!

Think we can find a middle ground though. If you don't pick the harem ending if available, would you be okay with these characters pairing together if you don't choose them to end up with?

 

[lorkdubo]

Im clearly not talking about pairing people up just because. Amber - Deryl, Micheal - Alice, Jake - Mia, Emily - Christine - Ella etc all have prior history and would make perfect sense if they got together, it would actually be better for the story if anything. Its the harem thing that makes it cheap, literally nothing romantic is allowed outside of the MC's active participation. You can literally feel the world and characters freezing in place outside of the MC's presence.
Clearly no one is fine with being alone (at least female) cause they are all willing to degrade themselves by being a part of a god damn harem!!!!

Think we can find a middle ground though. If you don't pick the harem ending if available, would you be okay with these characters pairing together if you don't choose them to end up with?

The problem with this is that, at least some characters are made with specific conditions where only the MC can fulfill and help them. Alice and Michael do not make sense, as Alice sees Michael as a brother, and she does not care about love. You have to push hard for her to consider something with you. Mia can't trust Jake anymore after what he did; you can't come back from betrayal. The thing with the twins, Amber and Liz is that you are not considering that MC is their best friend. He comes first after each other and is the only one with the same mental condition as liz to understand her.
I do agree that harem cheapens it out, but in this case they are beings that will live a lot of time, and there is a lot of leeway there. And also, almost all the female LI's want to be alone and don't care about romance.

 

[Bleh21]

The problem with this is that, at least some characters are made with specific conditions where only the MC can fulfill and help them. Alice and Michael do not make sense, as Alice sees Michael as a brother, and she does not care about love. You have to push hard for her to consider something with you. Mia can't trust Jake anymore after what he did; you can't come back from betrayal. The thing with the twins, Amber and Liz is that you are not considering that MC is their best friend. He comes first after each other and is the only one with the same mental condition as liz to understand her.
I do agree that harem cheapens it out, but in this case they are beings that will live a lot of time, and there is a lot of leeway there. And also, almost all the female LI's want to be alone and don't care about romance.

I'm not a writer but all it would take is something like Alice nearly dying while Micheal is out gaining power or something for him to realise somethings are important. Jake and Mia can't be resolved quickly, but there are tons of ways to eventually write being together. Obviously, it doesn't make sense right now and it will never make sense because its a harem game and no actual effort will be given towards these relationships. But without that tag, it would be infinitely easy to write. Hell, you could literally just place these characters instead of the mc and it would be much better because of their already existing history with these characters.
The time thing makes it even more hilarious. Are these literal god-like beings all going to settle for being part of a harem for the entirety of their massively long lifecycle? None of them want to be alone. They have issues preventing them from pursuing a relationship, and the moment that's gone, they jump into a relationship.

 

[lorkdubo]

I have played through the latest update but only read and seen the story from afar, plan to play in scrutiny when the big yap yap update arrives! But for my investigation of the 3 female choices we get this rundown of Liz, Amber and Alice

1. From our first introduction to Liz we learn that she literally ignored us until we became 6'8/6'9 (203-206cm) tall and MonsterDickMaXXED. Obviously the only reason she cares about us is that we might be her saving grace for wageslave cash. Its not wrong from her POV and Liz is sexy, understanding of your psyche so its a good choice for us if we were to pursue a deeper relationship. HOWEVER KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IF MC WAS STILL 5'6 AND WIMP DICKED.

2. Amber, I think MC was one of her first BFs which is a bonus but dude Deryl fucked her and lost his virginity to her? If you think in terms of purity and a warriors honor then that girl is lost to the streets. Liz by lore has not been revealed to have sexual partners and quite oppositely only takes a swimming sponsor to alleviate the burden on Amber. Amber, goes fucking and cucking for her personal lust ignoring future consequences (REALLY LOW IQ BEHAVIOUR, OBV THAT LIZ > AMBER).

3. Alice, she only talks to us once we reveal that we are capable as a person. Naturally if we weren't Superhuman (he said the line!) we would have gotten mauled by Michael at the ring and been done for closing off any possibilities with Alice. Now that a relationship can happen, the main determinant in her behavior is our potential and action. She refuses to get us involved unless we agree with her brooklyn bagel mobster family and once we get involved she makes sure to support us thoroughly. She notices Michael is the turbo battle autist so she can't have anything sexual with him. We on the other hand make a good fit for her fathers legacy and helping her or we ourselves keep up the legacy.

Alice' text was more lengthy because of the brooklyn bagel mafia part. Ultimately we what we want to understand is what marriage really entails. Ignore our 1970+ dating era and look deeper into marriage. Marriage is to enter a covenant relationship between a male and a female. Now this has been done for numerous reasons, wealth, status, power, lust etc (e.g queen marrying a 12 year old prince of some kingdom or a king marrying a random hot peasant from the street).

So who would be the best choice? Its clear that we can cut Amber out from the beginning. If you compare her to Liz, she is simply more lacking in every point except that she got nice blue hair ends. What she would provide in terms of a marriage seem to only be lust. Liz, the more mature and cardboard personality girl has the smarts, looks and potentially if she didn't get involved, a good future in both career and well-being. Alice has cash, looks, status, property BUT is a criminal which could damage MC in the longrun depending on his career. Therefor if we base our choice purely on gains, Alice is the best choice. If we base our choice on "morality" then Liz is the better choice (not a criminal duh).

TLDR: ALICE BEST CHOICE BECAUSE SHE OFFERS THE MOST. IF YOU ARE A GOODY TWO SHOES GO CARDBOARD QUEEN LIZ. AMBER IS THE INFERIOR VERSION OF LIZ WITH A PERSONALITY ADDED.

My dude trolling hard. You got every single word wrong.

 

[obibobi]

I didn't say leave a girl behind lol. You can either write them to be like Micheal (other interests then being in a relationship) or build up one with a side character. Although I'd still argue being single is way better then ending up as a side chick in a harem of like 10 lol. Have some self respect god damn. I would actually kms if my daughter ended up in one.
I just felt like Micheals story beats was always leading to him finding something more important in his life then just fighting for getting stronger. That just might be the cringe romantic in me though lol.

I personally would've written Deryl to end up with Amber once he had shown he's changed. Emily with Christy or a thrupple with Ella(with you being a sex toy they call occasionally when they need dick), Jake to end up with Mia and Micheal to end up with Alice. Everyone else I'm fine with being with MC cause they don't narratively have someone that makes sense.
Im talking purely about the romance story beats. Alice appears a lot but the development of the love story is basically you help her and she falls in love with you. Liz is the high school crush that rejected you because she thought neither of you were mentally ready for it. She was at the top of her field and was depressed about it cause she didnt feel any passion about swimming anymore. But once you get your powers and start directly challenging her, she starts realising that you have gotten rid of your mental issues. You beating her ignites her competitive spirit and she starts getting rid of her mental issues aswell. It improves the more you hang out with her and challenge her, bit by bit until she finally let's herself fall in love. It's a stark contrast to the generic "help" you lend to other girls to have them fall in love and I find it to be incredible writing.

To repeat myself, that's an awful idea, you can have background moments like Deryl and Tess, but there simply isn't time to waste on anything else and pairing up major is not a small thing, it creates another diverging plot thread and future events constantly need to account for it, to appease an extreme minority like yourself. Also bit extreme on your hate for it, would you kill yourself if your daughter ended up a single mother to a deadbeat? Extremely common and much worse than being in a harem where you will have people to support you. Not saying I would want my daughter in one, just that your reaction is extreme.

Someone else is already gone into detail but it seems you are more into your headcanon than actual events when you pass off everything with Alice as the MC, "just saving her"

Hell, you could literally just place these characters instead of the mc and it would be much better because of their already existing history with these characters.

More than anything it looks like you're trying to pass off girls you don't care for or want paired up for some other reason under the argument of "realism", I found the idea that Liz and the MC where similar to be superficial and should have focused on how well they get on together, but that's my view.

We could go about what they would do but that's stupid, what really matters is what we went, they aren't real, their desires are decided by a writer and it can fit our own as long its not immersion breaking and I don't find it a stretch that half a dozen girls could fall for an immensely powerful shapeshifter.

 

[Bleh21]

To repeat myself, that's an awful idea, you can have background moments like Deryl and Tess, but there simply isn't time to waste on anything else and pairing up major is not a small thing, it creates another diverging plot thread and future events constantly need to account for it, to appease an extreme minority like yourself. Also bit extreme on your hate for it, would you kill yourself if your daughter ended up a single mother to a deadbeat? Extremely common and much worse than being in a harem where you will have people to support you. Not saying I would want my daughter in one, just that your reaction is extreme.

Someone else is already gone into detail but it seems you are more into your headcanon than actual events when you pass off everything with Alice as the MC, "just saving her"



More than anything it looks like you're trying to pass off girls you don't care for or want paired up for some other reason under the argument of "realism", I found the idea that Liz and the MC where similar to be superficial and should have focused on how well they get on together, but that's my view.

We could go about what they would do but that's stupid, what really matters is what we went, they aren't real, their desires are decided by a writer and it can fit our own as long its not immersion breaking and I don't find it a stretch that half a dozen girls could fall for an immensely powerful shapeshifter.

You can focus on it as much or as little as you want. You don't have to around every scene going "hey these guys are together btw" just focusing three or four lines of dialogue on it in key moments would be fine i think.
I would help her out if she was single to a deadbeat. I'd try everything i have to get her out of the harem and then i'd kill myself if I failed probably. But the argument isn't "there are worse things" its just "Harems are terrible".

I think I admitted above somewhere that the latest events with Alice does change my mind on her. But before that it literally was "just saving her".

The reason i did'nt pass of Liz is because no one else makes sense with her (I guess the NTR route lol). If you give me someone i'll happily add it to the list. Everyone else is just kinda irrelevant side characters. Im not saying MC should be with no one, just that the side characters should get with someone else if you don't pursue the relationship.

Only reason "harems" exist is because of lack of womens rights and because the male is rich to the point he can afford multiple wives. In all of these cases he women don't love the guy (except maybe the main chick). They're just there because of the money and protection he gives. I don't believe a natural harem has ever existed. I choose to believe the super powers actually play a minimal part in why the characters like you.

No one said they were real. Im just giving my opinion on what would make these characters more compelling as it does break my immersion. Again, sometimes it feels like world is warping in on itself to make every mordern woman in a first world country okay with you sleeping around while simultanously having the men either be ultra virgins or asexual.

 

[Gambit33]

Jess can be what the Twins used to be. Non-super powered person that allows the MC to relate to the common folk, yet still has enough connections (through MC and Jake) to be relevant to the story.

Was just about to say that. Hopefully she gets more content, and does not get turned into a superhuman.

 

[Gambit33]

My dude trolling hard. You got every single word wrong.

Nah, He does raise good points. Let's face it, Liz only showed interest in the mc, after he became superhuman. It's insulting.

Amber? She was with Deryl, a bully who was fucking around on her. The guy is trash, She remained with him, despite his cheating, despite him beating up weaker kids(wanna bet the mc was not the only one?).
Only after he hit her sister by mistake does she call him out on it.

Liz is a willing slut who more than likely has a body count in the hundreds (nothing wrong with that, it just shows she is not girlfriend material), Amber is a hypocrite.

Alice is... meh in my opinion? Far better that Liz and Amber though.

 

[Ddlc]

Oh shit, was this all in the latest update? Memory of the latest update is pretty hazy rn.

But Alice can shoot up to second for me then behind Liz. Mainly cause it makes even more sense for her to be with Micheal after the revelation. And it doesn't feel as personal to the MC as Liz's story did. Her relationship hinged on you having superpowers. Liz's depended on you being hard-working and motivated.

Above Ella cause her relationship is kinda in a limbo rn.

Actually I think it has been quite some time ago, after Mc is allowed to leave the HERO base for the first time if I'm not mistaken, Alice invites Mc to finish off the last group who rebelled against the Alderman, then she takes Mc to a lake (I think her family used to visit the place) and explains what happened with her parents. It's even the trigger for their relationship in the game (you can reject her), so I can't honestly think of a better moment to pinpoint where she truly fell for Mc.
Thus my reason to believe that helping her was not the defining factor.
Edit: Actually it was after the Jake fight but before joining HERO, thanks DrakoGhoul.

 

[foxz112x]

any news about the next update ???

 

[Grimnir098]

Nah, He does raise good points. Let's face it, Liz only showed interest in the mc, after he became superhuman. It's insulting.

Why is it insulting to someone to only show interest when they become someone worth being interested in?
Let's face it, MC before he gets his powers is nothing. He's unmotivated to do anything, he's short, he's ugly, he's weak, and there's no real positive features that stand out aside from his tenacity (shown with Deryl during their feud), although that could be construed negatively as stubbornness.
MC after he gets his powers is confident, decisive, motivated, tall, hunky, strong, etc. Some of those traits are superficial, but some aren't.
Also, it's explicit that the reason she turned down the MC the first time he asked is because he's unmotivated.

Liz is a willing slut who more than likely has a body count in the hundreds (nothing wrong with that, it just shows she is not girlfriend material), Amber is a hypocrite.

I would argue the past only matters to inform the present. Liz isn't a "willing slut" because she loves having sex so much she can't control herself, she just feels empty. It's made clear that she's only going to have sex with the MC if they get together, because she no longer feels empty.

 

[The Specter]

any news about the next update ???

Apparently early december meaning it should be out soon

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Actually I think it has been quite some time ago, after Mc is allowed to leave the HERO base for the first time if I'm not mistaken, Alice invites Mc to finish off the last group who rebelled against the Alderman, then she takes Mc to a lake (I think her family used to visit the place) and explains what happened with her parents. It's even the trigger for their relationship in the game (you can reject her), so I can't honestly think of a better moment to pinpoint where she truly fell for Mc.
Thus my reason to believe that helping her was not the defining factor.

It happens after the Jake fight before MC joins HERO. Alice takes MC to the Lake. That's the moment when she truly loves the MC. Never gave my view on the recent whole best girl thing, but it's clearly Alice and always will be. She's the most natural and developed compared to the others. She also doesn't need to rely on something like a childhood friend angle like the twins.

 

[Ddlc]

It happens after the Jake fight before MC joins HERO. Alice takes MC to the Lake. That's the moment when she truly loves the MC. Never gave my view on the recent whole best girl thing, but it's clearly Alice and always will be. She's the most natural and developed compared to the others. She also doesn't need to rely on something like a childhood friend angle like the twins.

Oh yeah, my memory was a little fuzzy on the exact moment, I was only sure that it was after the Jake fight since she uses the graviton bomb.

 

[JojoU]

Nice to see the Alice army is still going strong. Carry on comrades

 

[obibobi]

You can focus on it as much or as little as you want. You don't have to around every scene going "hey these guys are together btw" just focusing three or four lines of dialogue on it in key moments would be fine i think.
I would help her out if she was single to a deadbeat. I'd try everything i have to get her out of the harem and then i'd kill myself if I failed probably. But the argument isn't "there are worse things" its just "Harems are terrible".

I think I admitted above somewhere that the latest events with Alice does change my mind on her. But before that it literally was "just saving her".

The reason i did'nt pass of Liz is because no one else makes sense with her (I guess the NTR route lol). If you give me someone i'll happily add it to the list. Everyone else is just kinda irrelevant side characters. Im not saying MC should be with no one, just that the side characters should get with someone else if you don't pursue the relationship.

Only reason "harems" exist is because of lack of womens rights and because the male is rich to the point he can afford multiple wives. In all of these cases he women don't love the guy (except maybe the main chick). They're just there because of the money and protection he gives. I don't believe a natural harem has ever existed. I choose to believe the super powers actually play a minimal part in why the characters like you.

No one said they were real. Im just giving my opinion on what would make these characters more compelling as it does break my immersion. Again, sometimes it feels like world is warping in on itself to make every mordern woman in a first world country okay with you sleeping around while simultanously having the men either be ultra virgins or asexual.

You claim to want compelling stories but would be ok with lip service relationships, that's contradictory.

You would support your daughter if she was left a single mother but would kill yourself, abandoning all your loved one's if she was happy in a harem.

Women are attracted to powerful men who can provide, if there was one game where it makes the least amount of sense to complain about the idea of a harem, it's this one, I would have agreed that's stupid in a game with a noodle armed 5 foot boy with no skills and no money, but even if I agreed it was stupid, I wouldn't agree it was bad. Wanting to sleep with multiple women at the same time is a common fantasy and much like incest, fiction can iron out the potential issues.

If you have fantasies about the female characters getting with other men, then wait for ntr sub routes or write your own fanfiction because most people don't share your desire.

 

[dragonlord6789]

Am I the only one who thinks it will be hilarious to see how the inexperienced Mc will handle managing his relationships when they get back to earth and have a moment to breath?

 

[The Specter]

Am I the only one who thinks it will be hilarious to see how the inexperienced Mc will handle managing his relationships when they get back to earth and have a moment to breath?

The same way he handles everything in his life, tentacles, alot of tentacles.

 

[Krytax123]

The same way he handles everything in his life, tentacles, alot of tentacles.

And shrugs