VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[Tamwyn]

And you don't think "several minutes" is enough to do serious damage?
Keep in mind one box jellyfish sting can cause cardiac arrest in a normal human in 2-5 minutes. MC's venom is significantly more potent, being a combination of several strong venoms and supercharged by the MC's monster power.


No one is coming up with anything. "Passive protection" is just referring to his subconscious mind control.
But yes, as you pointed out, he makes you miss. So why do you think MC wouldn't miss when using explosives and guns? It's not like ranged attacks are exempt, since Laurie can't so much as scratch Jake when she attacks him (if you decide to spare him).

The ONE thing we know doesn't kill rank twos effciently is poison. How do i know this? Because of how long the battle between Jake and MC was. Note that from the very start of the battle, he was poisoned with multiple stings of jellyfish poison. Even later, he was poisoned with even more. The shit didn't even kill him, it tired him out at best (hence the option to spare him). "Several minutes" is not enough.

Would it make him miss? No more then it made him miss with the poison and blade tentacles, which is actually quite little (for explosives he wouldn't miss at all). He wouldn't get shots on Jakes core vitals, but he would feasibly be able to graze him in the same areas. The difference would be instead of small cuts and literally gallons of "lethal" poison that couldn't even kill him, it would be gaping holes in his arms and legs causing him to lose blood and have broken bones (depending on what he used), meaning it would be even easier for follow up damage to hit. Remember, extreme losses of blood has been confirmed to kill lower levels, and he can't heal any faster then a basic spawn.

 

[Grimnir098]

The ONE thing we know doesn't kill rank twos effciently is poison. How do i know this? Because of how long the battle between Jake and MC was. Note that from the very start of the battle, he was poisoned with multiple stings of jellyfish poison. Even later, he was poisoned with even more. The shit didn't even kill him, it tired him out at best (hence the option to spare him). "Several minutes" is not enough.

It was good enough to do the job. Whether another tactic would have done it more quickly is a separate matter.

Would it make him miss? No more then it made him miss with the poison and blade tentacles, which is actually quite little (for explosives he wouldn't miss at all). He wouldn't get shots on Jakes core vitals, but he would feasibly be able to graze him in the same areas. The difference would be instead of small cuts and literally gallons of "lethal" poison that couldn't even kill him, it would be gaping holes in his arms and legs causing him to lose blood and have broken bones (depending on what he used). Remember, extreme losses of blood has been confirmed to kill lower levels, and he can't heal any faster then a basic spawn.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the kind of guns that would cause 'gaping holes' in a level 2 superhuman with just a graze (e.g. anti-material rifles), MC simply did not have access to.
As for explosives, not only did MC not have access to those, but they do actually require aiming, unless you're talking about setting C4 or claymores and luring Jake into them. I doubt he's stupid enough to fall for that.

 

[Krytax123]

Oh shit I doubt that, HERO turning hostile to the Mc ? Nah
His affiliation with monsters being the cause ? That seems categorically unlikely, Xanthe is wise enough to see the benefit in that affiliation, the dude laps at every opportunity to learn more of monsters instead of outright eliminating them. He would be delighted to learn more of the Monster World. Plus he has praised the Mc as a valuable asset many times, Dexter too.

Other than that, most big players in HERO have high levels of corruption themselves, Nyx does, hell she even recommends it. Henri is a monstrosity himself and who knows what Deus is. And those are just some examples.

Now going to Mars to crush Langdon and find Tanos, that is a possibility I can get behind. But my point stands, and yeah, Charlies is another SIN potential opponent the Mc has little to no hopes of defeating.
The Mc needs a power boost, and fast.

I dont think Charlie even is a (future) opponent? To me it seems more likely that she will be an ally.

Same with most of Ella's kids and even with Cole im unsure if we will fight him again, i could imagine Cole being too broken already, i think his dreams of grandour are over and he maaaybe will even become loyal to the mc.

I agree with you about hero, theres no way they would atagonize MC over shit like that, they would rather applaud him, imo MC would to have publicy oppose hero for them to act against him, they didnt even acted against the cult until recently. At max it would be parts of hero while other parts still support him or something like that but i doubt it.

 

[Tamwyn]

It was good enough to do the job. Whether another tactic would have done it more quickly is a separate matter.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but the kind of guns that would cause 'gaping holes' in a level 2 superhuman with just a graze (e.g. anti-material rifles), MC simply did not have access to.
As for explosives, not only did MC not have access to those, but they do actually require aiming, unless you're talking about setting C4 or claymores and luring Jake into them. I doubt he's stupid enough to fall for that.

Whether or not it could do it quicker (or definitely not) is literally the matter we are talking about, the one you commented on, and ive been talking about for a day now.

Firstly, level 2s can be hurt with regular knives (which is what mcs blades are at that point), let alone anti-material weapons. Spawns at low levels are weak, slightly stronger and harder to kill then humans with new lvl 2 abilities, thats it. Only spawns who have defensive bonuses are ones with abilities specifically granting them, or michael, hes a freak. Jake was impaled on deryls level 1 traps. Moving on, he literally has access to anti-spawn guns he was shot at with minutes before, let alone numerous machine guns from the guards (he can use multiple at once, hes got the hands). Hell, he could have gone to the armoury before he started, or borrowed explosives from the MOB BOSS he is currently having sex with. He has access to alot. Also, when you can cut off your head and grow your body back, you dont need to aim anything. You can just detonate it on yourself, and survive the blast.

 

[Grimnir098]

Firstly, level 2s can be hurt with regular knives (which is what mcs blades are at that point), let alone anti-material weapons.

Everything MC makes is supercharged. You didn't think his crocodile skin armour is really just black because it looks cool, did you? There's also the fact that he's significantly stronger than a normal human, so there's a lot more force behind his attacks.

Spawns at low levels are weak, slightly stronger and harder to kill then humans with new lvl 2 abilities, thats it. Only spawns who have defensive bonuses are ones with abilities specifically granting them, or michael, hes a freak. Jake was impaled on deryls level 1 traps.

All spawns are stronger and tougher than normal humans, although level 1s typically aren't stronger by much. But as you noted, Jake is capable of taking a lot of MC's venom, which we see almost instantly incapacitate a human.

Moving on, he literally has access to anti-spawn guns he was shot at with minutes before,

They aren't 'anti-spawn' guns, they're guns that fire electricity and plasma. MC is weak to electricity, so they're especially effective on him. I'm sure they'd hurt Jake but I don't see any reason grazing shots from them would do more damage than the venom tentacles. They're not even causing blood loss or broken bones, which were the supposed benefits of using guns.

let alone numerous machine guns from the guards (he can use multiple at once, hes got the hands).

I only recall seeing assault rifles. Do grazing shots from those put 'gaping holes' in even a normal human?
Also, he needs to concentrate intensely to land even one attack, so I don't think he would be very accurate with multiple automatic guns.

Hell, he could have gone to the armoury before he started, or borrowed explosives from the MOB BOSS he is currently having sex with. He has access to alot.

He doesn't know where the armoury is, and he can't go off to find it because then Jake might escape. As for Alice, I thought this was a discussion was about why MC didn't change tactics when he realised the venom wasn't having much effect? Why are we talking about what he could have done before the fight? Or are you really suggesting that run off, grab some explosives, and then run in to give MC the explosives, potentially coming under the control of Jake?

Also, when you can cut off your head and grow your body back, you dont need to aim anything. You can just detonate it on yourself, and survive the blast.

Jake has his Command: Retreat he can use at any time, which sends MC flying back several feet. I'm extremely doubtful MC would get close enough to take out Jake. Remember, he's not using his tentacles at close range.


By the way, it should be noted that MC actually defeated Jake relatively quickly, twice. He almost had him the first time, but Jake's brainwashed soldiers showed up and gave him time to recover. Then he gets taken down again when they duel, but Deryl shows up to keep MC from finishing him off.

 

[Jbrew123]

Nearly finished with the game in its current status, came here to see some stuff about the game and saw some mentions of the healing ability getting nerfed. I really hope that doesn't happen, I'm happy with the MC's healing (of others) ability as it stands currently. Some things could be addressed apparently (I need to find out about the not healing hand thing and Shadow) but I feel like those could be addressed without resorting to going back and chump changing his abilities as it stands when he already gets fairly mangled in fights due to his abilities not giving him large amount of outright destructive/defensive ability.

It seems fine enough (to me) to rely on the mix of Memory and Body to revert someone back to a previous state without having to have advanced biological knowledge, whereas Ella could much more easily do the same due to her extreme Body abilities control, her biological knowledge, and her extreme Power reserves, and that she'd have an easier time developing new forms that don't have a basis already existing in reality to pull from.

 

[SatanaelChaos]

Nearly finished with the game in its current status, came here to see some stuff about the game and saw some mentions of the healing ability getting nerfed. I really hope that doesn't happen, I'm happy with the MC's healing (of others) ability as it stands currently. Some things could be addressed apparently (I need to find out about the not healing hand thing and Shadow) but I feel like those could be addressed without resorting to going back and chump changing his abilities as it stands when he already gets fairly mangled in fights due to his abilities not giving him large amount of outright destructive/defensive ability.

It seems fine enough (to me) to rely on the mix of Memory and Body to revert someone back to a previous state without having to have advanced biological knowledge, whereas Ella could much more easily do the same due to her extreme Body abilities control, her biological knowledge, and her extreme Power reserves, and that she'd have an easier time developing new forms that don't have a basis already existing in reality to pull from.

Weird said that he never intended for the MC to be a healer, and that it was his fault for not being more clear on his abilities to shapeshift others. Currently, the reason MC cant change others easily with his memory powers is explained by the memories he has of that person being updated every time he touches them. To make it more cohesive, Weird is just going to make it so that changing the shape of others is a purely body based ability, so he cant use his memory powers the help him change objects or people. Fight wise this wont change anyth9ng, since his ability to change others was never viable against opponents on his level anyways.

 

[the-god-destroyer]

wait if mc wanted to kill jake couldn't he just increase how long his tentacles go then attack jake from a mile or two or 3 away? and if not how far does jakes ability to do whatever it is that lets him manipulate reaches?

 

[FenrisTheBurning]

MC should've just snuck a hair thin tentacle into Jake's anus and made it burst out.

 

[Jonathan Y]

I dont think Charlie even is a (future) opponent? To me it seems more likely that she will be an ally.

Same with most of Ella's kids and even with Cole im unsure if we will fight him again, i could imagine Cole being too broken already, i think his dreams of grandour are over and he maaaybe will even become loyal to the mc.

I agree with you about hero, theres no way they would atagonize MC over shit like that, they would rather applaud him, imo MC would to have publicy oppose hero for them to act against him, they didnt even acted against the cult until recently. At max it would be parts of hero while other parts still support him or something like that but i doubt it.

I mean, you gotta remember, even if Cole has a change of heart, and even if somehow the Mc and Deryl let bygones be bygones, what about Shen ?
Shen was THE reason the Mc and Deryl failed to protect Amber and Liz, the doc mutilated them, and SIN held them captive sure, but it was Shen's interferance that was the key factor.

As Sylla said, the Mc likely would have failed to hold out for long against Devana and Evander, he was doing really well as I remember, but he would have likely ditched the fight once he had been overwhelmed in order to run away with Amber, Liz, and a injured Deryl, however, Shen was the huge roadblock that destroyed any chances of that. His Living Fantasy ability sealed their fates.

I don't think the Mc can or should forgive that, and Deryl definitely won't, we see in the Monster World how he agonized over his shortcomings, no way in hell he'd forgive Shen, Cole, or any SIN characters for the roles they played in Liz and Amber's mutilations.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

WW said that the ability to turn Nikki into a girl will likely be locked to choosing Body as your monster parent, among other scenes like it. In exchange, having Memory as a monster parent will give you access to more skill points.

 

[Tamwyn]

Everything MC makes is supercharged. You didn't think his crocodile skin armour is really just black because it looks cool, did you? There's also the fact that he's significantly stronger than a normal human, so there's a lot more force behind his attacks.


All spawns are stronger and tougher than normal humans, although level 1s typically aren't stronger by much. But as you noted, Jake is capable of taking a lot of MC's venom, which we see almost instantly incapacitate a human.


They aren't 'anti-spawn' guns, they're guns that fire electricity and plasma. MC is weak to electricity, so they're especially effective on him. I'm sure they'd hurt Jake but I don't see any reason grazing shots from them would do more damage than the venom tentacles. They're not even causing blood loss or broken bones, which were the supposed benefits of using guns.


I only recall seeing assault rifles. Do grazing shots from those put 'gaping holes' in even a normal human?
Also, he needs to concentrate intensely to land even one attack, so I don't think he would be very accurate with multiple automatic guns.


He doesn't know where the armoury is, and he can't go off to find it because then Jake might escape. As for Alice, I thought this was a discussion was about why MC didn't change tactics when he realised the venom wasn't having much effect? Why are we talking about what he could have done before the fight? Or are you really suggesting that run off, grab some explosives, and then run in to give MC the explosives, potentially coming under the control of Jake?


Jake has his Command: Retreat he can use at any time, which sends MC flying back several feet. I'm extremely doubtful MC would get close enough to take out Jake. Remember, he's not using his tentacles at close range.


By the way, it should be noted that MC actually defeated Jake relatively quickly, twice. He almost had him the first time, but Jake's brainwashed soldiers showed up and gave him time to recover. Then he gets taken down again when they duel, but Deryl shows up to keep MC from finishing him off.

His crocodile skin isn't "supercharged" untill he starts mixing it with other items. It is wholely inadequate and he ends up healing through the damage that gets through, which is a lot. Im pretty sure even bullets get through it when he escapes the police at the mall. Everything he makes in the first 2 levels aren't even covered with real metal.

And? You know how i feel about Jake taking the venom, that its weak and ineffective. If it was strong, him taking alot of it would give him durability, but since it isn't, it doesnt.

They are LITERALLY experimental antispawn/antimonster guns, developed to fight against them, its in their introduction. Its stronger against MC because he is genetically weak to electricity, but it would still damage spawn.

Yes, machine guns of all calibers put gaping holes in people. Have you seen a gunshot wound? Also, why would there be a conceivable difference between directing several whips to attack someone, versus pulling several triggers and spraying? Id imagine the pulling triggers would be EASIER, let alone harder.

He literally has access to the memories of the guard he stole the body from, if he bothered to take a second to read them (or devoured his brain). Also, i say "his poison attacks are weak, he should have used something else" and you somehow think to ask "Why are we talking about what he could have done before the fight?". Why do you think? HE STARTED THE FIGHT WITH POISON, THEN CONTINUED TO USE IT WHEN HE SAW IT WASN'T WORKING. I of course mean he shouldn't have used poison at all, especially to start the fight, and he should have brought explosives smuggled inside his body. After the fight started, he of course can't run off to get explosives, but he could still use the spawn guns that were in the room.

Buddy, if he could sneak attack jake as mia with tentacles, he was close enough for even grenades to do damage, let alone bigger bombs. Also, his tentacles make everything ranged. He could literally palm a grenade and slither it over to him.

Recover? How did he recover? Oh, you mean the poison that dissolves isn't good for permanent damage? You dont say! Btw, just because i can punch a terrie (key and peele reference) doesn't mean c4 isn't more effective.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Oh yeah btw last stream WW said that F95 complains too much. That people here can get stuck in their own heads and ideas on how things should work.

 

[Tamwyn]

Oh yeah btw last stream WW said that F95 complains too much. That people here can get stuck in their own heads and ideas on how things should work.

Eh, anyone who loves something should want to see it be better. I get that could get annoying for creators and i understand them feeling that way, but if i swallowed how i felt to avoid annoying people, my life would be shit, and its shit enough already.

Even WW wants it to be better, or else he wouldn't be retconning the healing ability.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Meh, WW doesn't see it as a retcon since he never intended MC to heal. This is just him making that clear by changing the old scenes to remove that as an implication. As I said earlier, Nikki turning into a girl gets locked to choosing Body as a monster parent, and Laurie is specifically because Deryl helped. He's said that the best way to be a healer is not to be pure in any one traits, but to have a bunch of them that work together.

 

[Tamwyn]

Meh, WW doesn't see it as a retcon since he never intended MC to heal. This is just him making that clear by changing the old scenes to remove that as an implication. As I said earlier, Nikki turning into a girl gets locked to choosing Body as a monster parent, and Laurie is specifically because Deryl helped. He's said that the best way to be a healer is not to be pure in any one traits, but to have a bunch of them

My one "concern" is how this will affect the healing of that tree Nyx wanted us to fix.

 

[Zekethor2]

Oh yeah btw last stream WW said that F95 complains too much. That people here can get stuck in their own heads and ideas on how things should work.

Hmm… from what I understood in the context, someone commented that, he kind of agreed, but said he doesn’t blame people because part of the fault is his, at least that’s how I understood it.

There are many adjectives you could use to describe Ella, but "kind" is not one of them.

But she is kind! Look, she’s manipulative, she kills plenty of people without mercy, she’s put us in real life-threatening danger maybe more than once. But at the same time, she’s always helped us, with tips, training, conversations. I don’t know, maybe I’m deluded, but I don’t think she sees us the same way she did at the start of the game compared to the last time she appeared to us. I feel like Ella is more complex than just being a power-hungry bitch. She does care about us, about her friends, about her kids, etc. It’s just that she seems to put her goals above all of that. So much so that she kills us for killing Christie. She still has this strong duality of monster and human inside her

A few things come to mind:

1. The way the first three (Order, Evolution, and Infinity) were divided destroyed their physical bodies on this plane, so they ascended to the higher plane; that way they were saved from destruction.

2. Guises, that's what 3rd and 4th want with the MC, an avatar that can merge them again. So the eye could be the new evolution.

3. The Soul, Paradox, and Chaos, their pairs are opposites because a different method was used to divide them.

4. If it's as I said in point 4... it's possible that Thanos was trying that with the twins; he already tried one method with the Moon twins and wanted to try another method of destruction with the twins.

So… they didn’t die in the annihilation of chaos because they were on the higher plane? And the arbiters, who were supposed to be entities above and more powerful than the apostles, were actually on the normal plane? It’s strange to think about that, but it does answer the question.

Now, about Chaos, Paradox, and Soul being opposites by that method, that’s exactly my question. How the hell would Paradox, with a name like that, not end up forming two opposing apostles? Or even Chaos and Soul? What kind of result would they get if they had been created the same way their three brothers below were?

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

My one "concern" is how this will affect the healing of that tree Nyx wanted us to fix.

I think that if we ever do heal Duncan, it will be something we do with Memory powers instead of Body ones. The MC suggests that Duncan could undo the transformation himself if he could just focus, but being a tree has his mind in a chaotic state. Using Memory to remind him of his identity and ground him enough to expel Ella's energy and restore his body makes sense to me as the way we fix him.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

My one "concern" is how this will affect the healing of that tree Nyx wanted us to fix.

As far as I was aware, we just needed to give Duncan the jumpstart for his own power to push through Ella's forced transformation.

 

[sirpedro7]

So… they didn’t die in the annihilation of chaos because they were on the higher plane? And the arbiters, who were supposed to be entities above and more powerful than the apostles, were actually on the normal plane? It’s strange to think about that, but it does answer the question.

Now, about Chaos, Paradox, and Soul being opposites by that method, that’s exactly my question. How the hell would Paradox, with a name like that, not end up forming two opposing apostles? Or even Chaos and Soul? What kind of result would they get if they had been created the same way their three brothers below were?

I understand your question, and, of course, I don't have a canonical answer. My idea that they're opposites because of the way they were created most likely isn't true. This is due to what you say about the difficulty of finding complements in definitions, although I can think of one. In the case of Soul WW chose to divide into opposite Light/Darkness, I believe there is a complement, although of course it is only my invention, in Christian beliefs (although it varies as is logical), it is said that the human being is a tripartite being, it is a spirit, that has a soul and inhabits a body, for me in Superhuman Alma as a complement I see it as the intangible identity or the intangible SELF, just as in the material plane there is the Body/Memory, in the intangible world there could have been something like the Spirit/Consciousness (although in the case of Consciousness there should be another word that defines it better), the point of these two new paths being to give a similarity to body/memory but in the intangible plane, giving spirit the transformations that we saw of memory but if the templates but more direct as the case with Her but in the immaterial world, and to consent to perceive/obtain/apply information that “cannot” memory, such as rituals and see things that others could not, that is, everything supernatural, these complements would be a good connection between Evolution-Soul-Paradox (The personal and physical whole-The non-tangible personal whole-The order of physical or non-physical reality).

If I come up with something like this, I think WW could get some complements from the other two, but, as I said, my theory about the different creations of the first and second paths is most likely wrong; perhaps they are just de facto no different, and the method of parasites and chaos is equally valid for division, but since they are different, some divide into complements and others into opposites, and that's how it should be.

Now I think that what was destroyed in the first few were their "original physical bodies," and hence their separation from this plane. I believe that even though the Arbiters are more powerful than the Apostles, what Chaos did affected what could be affected on a plane (or rather, this sphere). To say it's a normal plane, I don't think that's entirely correct; for all we know, the Apostles could be in something like a bubble (a higher plane) connected to this sphere. If Chaos affected the entire sphere, we can believe there were areas like that bubble where the Apostles are forced to be that weren't affected.