VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[AlexKaiser2626]

I used to clown Creation for being trash, but yeah what can Memory even do at low levels? I swear, if it can't copy powers at higher levels, it's literally useless on its own.

Yes, and even more so because it seems weaker than the originals and lacks creativity—it literally just copies other people's powers. It feels like memory is the weakest trait unless it's combined with the body.

 

[obibobi]

In contrast to Authority, in direct combat, or a direct situation in general, Memory would only be strong against someone with less power than you. If they're relative to or greater than you power-wise, they could likely resist what you're doing/break out of it quickly enough, and you likely have little to no response to getting splattered across the floor, if you're not in the Dream World.

I don't see the difference, unless we are going to say Memory is weaker at affecting memories than Authority, it should be able to do many of the same things defensively, make them forget they wanted to attack you. Implant memories of intense pain, or destroy someone's memories in combat, make them forget to attack, make them forget who they are, until they are a shell.

From a writing standpoint, memory seeming weak is because Weird doesn't want the MC to fight like an X-Man telepath. Notice how they have to give those characters melee powers if they want them at the forefront of a story, Emma Frost Diamond Form, Pyslocke Pys knifes, because mind powers are generally not interesting for fights.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

I used to clown Creation for being trash, but yeah what can Memory even do at low levels? I swear, if it can't copy powers at higher levels, it's literally useless on its own.

Mind reading, for one. Maybe a more pure spawn could get away with knowledge/skill transfer, which itself is a crazy power to have.

 

[Er Pisha Jimeno]

I have evidence to support my claims.

Evidence 1: The way Memorie decided how to infect the MC. When the Body and Memory attempted to infect the MC, they take two distinct approaches. Body showcases his powers and overpowers the protagonist, similar to what Powers did with Michael. Memory, on the other hand, takes a more sexual route, using the MC's memories to shapeshift into a form he would find attractive.

People think the reason is because Memory was horny, but I disagree. Memory is such a bum that she has become accustomed to never winning fights, and because of that, she has grown used to trying to seduce her adversaries instead, to the point that she even resorts to it against a normal human.

Evidence 2: Shapeshifting. Have you ever questioned why Memorie relies on shapeshifting so much? It's simple—she saw the way her brother fights and started imitating him to try to be some kind of threat. But unlike her brother, who changes his form at will to adapt to every situation, Memorie only shifts into certain individuals she or her opponent remembers. So, while Body improves himself constantly, Memorie has to hope that the version of a being she transforms into is strong enough to defeat her opponents, all while being limited by her base power level.

Evidence 3: Applications of Memorie's powers. I think many of us have already thought about interesting ways to use Memorie's abilities. Making opponents forget how to fight, causing a superhuman to forget they are superhuman, erasing a person's existence from the world or a place, making every action that being had ever taken null because the world forgot it happened. So many intriguing possibilities, yet little to no practical application has been shown. Why? Simple—Memorie is a bum, and those she infects are condemned to live with the limitations of a bum. These applications demand too much power to be used, and the difference in power levels between the user and the target must be astronomical for many of her abilities to have any lasting effect beyond mere seconds. A true fraud.

Evidence is appreciated, and I would like to add:


Evidence 1: She didn't just take a form our MC would find attractive, she took his mother's (true) form. She is into mommy stuff, she makes her kin call her Mother. She is horny AND a bum, she took the easiest path with highest reward by letting her boy run into her AND give him a blowjob.

(Does the MC find his mother sexually attractive?)

Evidence 2: Is she copying her brother's homework even if she can't do much with it?

 

[AlexKaiser2626]

Evidence is appreciated, and I would like to add:


Evidence 1: She didn't just take a form our MC would find attractive, she took his mother's (true) form. She is into mommy stuff, she makes her kin call her Mother. She is horny AND a bum, she took the easiest path with highest reward by letting her boy run into her AND give him a blowjob.

(Does the MC find his mother sexually attractive?)

Evidence 2: Is she copying her brother's homework even if she can't do much with it?

"That reminds me—I once said in the official Discord that Syla is super sexy and that I wanted a scene with her and the MC… you know, an incest scene. Well, they didn’t take it very well. They accused me of wanting to sleep with my actual mom. Like, it’s fine to get into character for the game, but that was way too much

 

[KyngC]

Mind reading, for one. Maybe a more pure spawn could get away with knowledge/skill transfer, which itself is a crazy power to have.

pretty mid overall

 

[Er Pisha Jimeno]

Mind reading, for one. Maybe a more pure spawn could get away with knowledge/skill transfer, which itself is a crazy power to have.

Oh, could they re-open a wound or "re-attack" by remembering their cause?

 

[KKStrider]

Here's WeirdWorld's take on what the average person with a bit of training could do with the

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. To summarise, they'd have:

• Mind reading
• Memory erasure
• Be able to psychically stunlock their opponents

However, the Memory trait would severely lack in survivability, meaning:

• At Level 1 the only physical augmentations you'd get would be
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  , which is nowhere near enough to avoid getting speed blitzed and torn apart by a monster.
• Monsters would be able to resist memory erasure, possibly long enough to kill you.

 

[obibobi]

Alright so here's how I think memory would play out

Level 1: Everything the MC has shown at minimum as he put almost no effort into this side, mind reading, understanding things with touch, learn skills instantly (something the MC hasn't taken advantage of). You reflexively alter memories around you as you would be similar to Jake as your form of defence. Offensively at the very beginning you would be limited to touch, with training you could do it at range, implant blunt memories of pain, panic, fear, or make people forget.

Level 2: This is when your ability to alter memories becomes precise, you can alter existing memories to change events, create entirely new memories, feed on memories to restore yourself, wipe someone's mind turning them into a vegetable, against those without powers and even electronic devices you walk about as though invisible as they forget you even exist.

Level 3: This is when memory becomes more abstract, as other poster suggested, re-open old wounds, heal yourself by using a memory of yourself before you took damage and other minor changes in reality based on memory, maybe add or remove bullets to a gun, limited form of shape shifting, altering minds with precision is effortless and success depends on a combination of power level and skill.

Level 4: This is when you can start to really turn memories into reality and the character has abilities similar to a Syla, creating people to fight for you based on memories, of course all still powered by the character power pool.

Level 5: This is when you have access to abilities to the MC's mom, and you can have limited form of reality warping, memories of events can be replayed, meteor showers, battles, enemy attacks.

 

[Deleted member 9635502]

Memory is just a high skill power, thats all. I dont think any of the apostles and their powers are weaker than the other, and they are all important for the creation and maintenance of this universe and all that stuff. Memory seems weak on paper because its a high skill power, and the fact that Weirdguy didnt ever showcase a pure memory spawns full potential and what they can do on and off the battlefield, and like that one guy said he didnt explain how powerful it can get and how it works. Syla's powers like forgotten existance is bonkers but she was held down by her lightning fear and weakness and the fact that Indra has plot armor. And Syla saying only algie can defeat her in dreamworld only confirms that Algeria is a stronger psychic user than Syla somehow, not that fantasy entirely is stronger than memory there, and again she only used those powers in dreamworld so again weirdboy is keeping things vague here. Also every other powers seem pretty straightforward to most people. Authority, power, space, destruction, they all sound pretty simple to understand on paper but Memory only seems like the odd one here, and I guess thats because most people wouldnt understand its necessity in the universe and its functionality at first glance, but if they think more they can understand why memory has its place with the rest of the 11 apostles, and that would automatically explain to us how strong memory actually is. Authority, Memory, Time, Fantasy, Creation, they are all psychic oriented powers and have low physical resistance by default. They are supposed to do crazy shit offscreen and have to rely on their psychic powers to overpower physical, mixed powers in direct confrontation.

 

[@ravens@]

Memory is just a high skill power, thats all. I dont think any of the apostles and their powers are weaker than the other, and they are all important for the creation and maintenance of this universe and all that stuff. Memory seems weak on paper because its a high skill power, and the fact that Weirdguy didnt ever showcase a pure memory spawns full potential and what they can do on and off the battlefield, and like that one guy said he didnt explain how powerful it can get and how it works. Syla's powers like forgotten existance is bonkers but she was held down by her lightning fear and weakness and the fact that Indra has plot armor. And Syla saying only algie can defeat her in dreamworld only confirms that Algeria is a stronger psychic user than Syla somehow, not that fantasy entirely is stronger than memory there, and again she only used those powers in dreamworld so again weirdboy is keeping things vague here. Also every other powers seem pretty straightforward to most people. Authority, power, space, destruction, they all sound pretty simple to understand on paper but Memory only seems like the odd one here, and I guess thats because most people wouldnt understand its necessity in the universe and its functionality at first glance, but if they think more they can understand why memory has its place with the rest of the 11 apostles, and that would automatically explain to us how strong memory actually is. Authority, Memory, Time, Fantasy, Creation, they are all psychic oriented powers and have low physical resistance by default. They are supposed to do crazy shit offscreen and have to rely on their psychic powers to overpower physical, mixed powers in direct confrontation.

With this assumption, a thought occurred to me: if fantasy is the only thing capable of defeating memory in the dream world, how could the Order defeat evolution?
From what I understand, everyone in the Second Apostle's lineage has a lot of stored power to use in a fight, but it runs out very quickly. This would make the Third Apostle's chosen ones very good against him, since a fight of attrition against someone who can regenerate practically from a single cell or reverse any change in their body without expending much energy must be pure hell.
And if the Authority doesn't have what it takes to combat memory in the dream world, how will the Order have the foundation to face evolution?

 

[Zekethor2]

I’ve imagined six “invader Arbiters” who could serve as enemies to the six Arbiters we already know. Let me know what you think, and feel free to share your own ideas:


1. Assimilation
The power to absorb and incorporate all things into itself. Nothing is outright destroyed, yet individuality and distinction disappear, leaving only a seamless whole where difference no longer exists.


2. Stasis
The imposition of eternal stillness. Life and motion are not extinguished, but suspended in a single, unchanging moment, denying both progress and decline.


3. Parasitism
A force that survives by feeding on others without destroying them. It preserves its hosts as vessels of endless dependence, ensuring its own perpetuity at their expense.


4. Corruption
The creeping rot that infiltrates and twists everything it touches. It spreads like a plague, degrading purity into distortion until nothing remains untouched by its taint.


5. Voracity
An insatiable hunger that devours matter, energy, memory, even meaning itself. It consumes not out of malice, but because its very existence is an abyss that cannot be filled.


6. Nullification
The silent erasure of all things. Not mere destruction, but the undoing of existence itself powers, ideas, and realities reduced to nothing, as if they had never been.

 

[DefaultNK]

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This post was so much funnier for the half-second when I skimmed over the second instance of the word "abilities" without my brain registering that it was there.

With this assumption, a thought occurred to me: if fantasy is the only thing capable of defeating memory in the dream world, how could the Order defeat evolution?

It couldn't, but that's fine because the assumption is wrong. Syla claims no one but Glae could beat her in the dream world and then proceeds to get beaten by Indra in the dream world immediately after saying this.

 

[KyngC]

It couldn't, but that's fine because the assumption is wrong. Syla claims no one but Glae could beat her in the dream world and then proceeds to get beaten by Indra in the dream world immediately after saying this.

That's most likely because Indra has more power than Syla, though. All Apostles should have the same amount of power, meaning the difference in their fights would come down to how their abilities work. This means Memory would still beat Authority in the dream world.

 

[Deleted member 9635502]

I’ve imagined six “invader Arbiters” who could serve as enemies to the six Arbiters we already know. Let me know what you think, and feel free to share your own ideas:


1. Assimilation
The power to absorb and incorporate all things into itself. Nothing is outright destroyed, yet individuality and distinction disappear, leaving only a seamless whole where difference no longer exists.


2. Stasis
The imposition of eternal stillness. Life and motion are not extinguished, but suspended in a single, unchanging moment, denying both progress and decline.


3. Parasitism
A force that survives by feeding on others without destroying them. It preserves its hosts as vessels of endless dependence, ensuring its own perpetuity at their expense.


4. Corruption
The creeping rot that infiltrates and twists everything it touches. It spreads like a plague, degrading purity into distortion until nothing remains untouched by its taint.


5. Voracity
An insatiable hunger that devours matter, energy, memory, even meaning itself. It consumes not out of malice, but because its very existence is an abyss that cannot be filled.


6. Nullification
The silent erasure of all things. Not mere destruction, but the undoing of existence itself powers, ideas, and realities reduced to nothing, as if they had never been.

The apostle/arbiter powers reflect the fundamental forces/building blocks of our universe. Space, Creation, Truth, Soul, Infinity, Order etc, these all represent basic stuff our reality is made out of. What you described here makes zero sense and lacks creativity.

 

[OnlineRando]

I don't see the difference, unless we are going to say Memory is weaker at affecting memories than Authority, it should be able to do many of the same things defensively, make them forget they wanted to attack you. Implant memories of intense pain, or destroy someone's memories in combat, make them forget to attack, make them forget who they are, until they are a shell.

I'm not talking about affecting Memories, I'm talking about overall effectiveness. Authority doesn't need to affect Memories to be better than Memory.

Outside of combat, the only true edge Memory has over Authority is personal knowledge accumulation, which isn't that important. While an Authority user could just have anyone (who isn't powerful and resisting) do anything, a Memory user could only collect the information they want. They'd need to act on it themselves.

For comparison, let's say an Authority user and a Memory user both want to create some superweapon. The Authority user could just control the world's greatest minds to do it themselves, as well as control others to get resources and the like. A memory user, meanwhile, would struggle to find those same people (Authority could easily do that via access to government), and even when they manage that, they'd need to work on everything themselves, which would take much, much longer.

If we stretch it, they might be able to slowly reconstruct a person's memories to create a similar effect to Authority, but that is a very roundabout way that couldn't be mass-produced, or at least, not on the level of Authority.

In combat, it wouldn't be nearly as effective either. Memory might be able to make an enemy forget they want to attack, or stun them via certain memories, but the enemy's attack would still be moving. Authority could make the enemy stop attacking. Or bite their tongue. Or attack themselves. All the while, their countless slaves are firing at you with superweapons their other slaves made. And even if you escape, you're already an outlaw, because they control the government.

Also, I am almost sure you can't cause permanent harm to someone's memories with power relative to yours that easily. Just like an Authority user can't just completely control someone who is relative to them and resisting, and like how a resisting superhuman could undo shapeshifting caused by someone relative to them in power, Memory should have the same limitation. Any "permanent" damage is only permanent until the effect is broken.

What makes Authority stronger than Memory (or our current understanding of it, at least) is what it could do in the limited amount of time it has to act. The enemy forgetting how to attack for a second, hell, even a minute, doesn't matter if nothing you do can harm them. But the enemy attacking themselves?

Much more viable.

 

[Zeus the Fucker]

I read some theories about why Memory and Body work together, but I know the truth!

Memory is such a bum that her brother feels sorry for her and always tags along when she wants to do something, and when he wants to do something, he brings her along too. Memory is the disabled sibling!!!

The Fourth should have been Mind instead of Memory. Memory should just be one part of the power. I think Weirdworld did not want MC to be too op. But still it's an easy cop out because he could have easily say his powers branch in memories

 

[Zeus the Fucker]

As I keep saying Memory should have been mind. Like it's always Body and Mind. What's the point of having memories without a Mind to guide. Of course I am just saying my opinion. Superhuman still has peak story

 

[OnlineRando]

As I keep saying Memory should have been mind. Like it's always Body and Mind. What's the point of having memories without a Mind to guide. Of course I am just saying my opinion. Superhuman still has peak story

Authority is basically mind already, in the sense that you control the minds of others. Memory is information manipulation, not specifically "memories" in the human sense.

A true "Mind" trait as you think of it would be a combination of Authority and Memory, maybe even fantasy, but it's a much more arbitrary concept than those the twelve apostles represent.

Each of the twelve main traits can easily be understood via just their name, even described with one word, while explaining what "Mind" could do would require a much more specific explanation. It could control people, read memories, possibly show illusions... unlike the apostle traits, there isn't just one thing the power could do.

 

[Jonathan Y]

Authority is basically mind already, in the sense that you control the minds of others. Memory is information manipulation, not specifically "memories" in the human sense.

A true "Mind" trait as you think of it would be a combination of Authority and Memory, maybe even fantasy, but it's a much more arbitrary concept than those the twelve apostles represent.

Each of the twelve main traits can easily be understood via just their name, even described with one word, while explaining what "Mind" could do would require a much more specific explanation. It could control people, read memories, possibly show illusions... unlike the apostle traits, there isn't just one thing the power could do.

As I understood it Authority isn't quite mind as you put it, but rather mind fuckery is just a extension of it.

Authority is the power to shape and command everything, and it's reaches are only limited by the specific individual that inherited it and his/her energy/power level.
And in the form of commanding others, it manifests as mind fuckery, but that's just a extension.

Just like Jake, mind attacks were just his own versions of Authority, similar to what the Black Mouth has.

Authority may aswell be commanding any aspect of reality, it's reaches are very broad and encompass everything. Makes sense given the grandiose sounding lines regarding the first.