VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[johndqdo]

if your planning on restarting, kill anything you get the chance to that doesn't lead to a dead end just to see what happens, its what ima do.

I don’t like taking the high corruption route because it stops us from hugging mom, and NOTHING will stop me from hugging a mom!

 

[thedestroyeroffemboyass]

I don’t like taking the high corruption route because it stops us from hugging mom, and NOTHING will stop me from hugging a mom!

im just doing it to see what happens in hero.

 

[EnigmaticChap]

I don’t like taking the high corruption route because it stops us from hugging mom, and NOTHING will stop me from hugging a mom!

As long as your corruption doesn't go above 40, you will be fine.

 

[Elduriel]

high corruption makes the game more interesting imo, I prefer that approach

 

[Crambit]

Since the twin trait is Evolution, you'd think that the inherent implication of survival and adaptability might manifest itself in ripping diluted versions of unique powers from what he consumes.

There's a needle to thread there, since power replication without limits would be excessive and narratively cumbersome, and diluted versions of most powers wouldn't be useful. I think Zekethor is onto something with the idea of tools. Even if their memory ability lets them reproduce abilities it makes sense that a capacitor or focus would be necessary to handle or adapt to high levels of normally incompatable monster energies. So something like the Undine heart to produce water, Cole's heat core to control heat, or Leigong crystals as a way to deal with electricity.

 

[as22]

If MC gets 20+ mp at lvl 2, 200+ mp at lvl 3.
You can work out how much lvl 4 would give him.

I wish WW had made Mc's power scale multiplicatively (like +x% of current power each evolution) instead of the flat power gains.

Level 2 evo_bonus = 20 + max(0, (pre_evo − 10) × 2) → equivalent to: ×3 total if you beat 10, otherwise minimum +20
Level 3 evo_bonus = 200 + max(0, (pre_evo − 100) × 2) → equivalent to: ×3 total if you beat 100, otherwise minimum +200
Level 4 evo_bonus = 2000 + max(0, (pre_evo − 1000) × 2) → equivalent to: ×3 total if you beat 1000, otherwise minimum +2000
Basically:
On evolution, give the player ×3 their current power, but never less than the baseline flat bonus.”

This would have rewarded players more for having higher power levels at the end of an evo, but would have still given decent gain from your evo if you had less than the baseline flat bonus.

For example

Level	Pre-evo	≤ baseline?	Rule used	Resulting total
2	8	Yes	+20	28
2	12	No	12 × 3	36
3	95	Yes	+200	295
3	115	No	115 × 3	345
4	950	Yes	+2000	2950
4	1200	No	1200 × 3	3600

 

[Ddlc]

There's a needle to thread there, since power replication without limits would be excessive and narratively cumbersome, and diluted versions of most powers wouldn't be useful. I think Zekethor is onto something with the idea of tools. Even if their memory ability lets them reproduce abilities it makes sense that a capacitor or focus would be necessary to handle or adapt to high levels of normally incompatable monster energies. So something like the Undine heart to produce water, Cole's heat core to control heat, or Leigong crystals as a way to deal with electricity.

Syla was capable of those high level Memory abilities because she was perfectly compatible with the trait (at least at first), since Mc is a 50/50 then i don't think he will be able to fight like that. How WW will implement the Evolution powers is one of the things i'm most interested about.
About using things to focus different traits i think it's possible, we had an example with Mc using Deryl's amber crystal, he was able to use his own power to activate it, so maybe your theory is right.

Something interesting Nico mentions in this update is that all the strongest people in the Hero, and even outside of it, don’t rely only on getting stronger through straightforward evolutions. In her case, she has the Hexenringe, but she also says the other captains have similar special tools or mechanisms that boost their power.

So what would the MC have?

I keep thinking his main “tool” might be the memory abilities, but those don’t seem particularly useful for direct combat… Outside of that, he has some body modifications like the monster heart, certain absorptions, items from the shopkeeper, etc. But none of these feel like a concrete, defining power source. Honestly, the impression is that all of this just translates into stat boosts.

Ella definitely had abnormal things in her body to have that kind of overwhelming power.

So what do you think he could develop in the future beyond that?

Personally i don't think she means just "power" (the numerical value that can be measured in universe), but instead ways of becoming more powerful, in her case each hexenrige adds another portal, and can also (it seems) be combined to make larger ones.

In Mc's case i think monster part absortion is a big deal, they all increase his power (value) and capabilities (make his forms better). In terms of memory however i think the main thing (at least for now) were the paths, that connected him directly to all twelve apostles, it seems that he only absorbed a small fraction of everything they can offer.
Eventually i believe the use of Evolution powers will be the great difference for him, something unique that no one could replicate.

 

[Obliviousdemonchild666]

Something interesting Nico mentions in this update is that all the strongest people in the Hero, and even outside of it, don’t rely only on getting stronger through straightforward evolutions. In her case, she has the Hexenringe, but she also says the other captains have similar special tools or mechanisms that boost their power.

So what would the MC have?

I keep thinking his main “tool” might be the memory abilities, but those don’t seem particularly useful for direct combat… Outside of that, he has some body modifications like the monster heart, certain absorptions, items from the shopkeeper, etc. But none of these feel like a concrete, defining power source. Honestly, the impression is that all of this just translates into stat boosts.

Ella definitely had abnormal things in her body to have that kind of overwhelming power.

So what do you think he could develop in the future beyond that?

the MC'S special "tool" is eating strong monsters and superhumans.

It was implied that Ella's shapeshifting came with a much harder learning curve unlike the MC because she actually had to understand all the science behind her body (remember near the beginning of the game when we're with Christy at the school and reading old memories and we get a glimpse of Ella forcing her biology professor to literally teach her how to use her powers?) and all her transformations weren't second nature like ours because she didn't have memory powers.

in the future i imagine we'll just be getting more opportunities to eat powerful monsters and superhuman antagonists (like Jared) and more synergy with combining memory and body.

 

[Jonathan Y]

I don’t like taking the high corruption route because it stops us from hugging mom, and NOTHING will stop me from hugging a mom!

Personaly I always use the cheat mod to lower my corruption just for that scene, and then raise it back up afterwards.

Oh and also I lower my corruption for the scene where the Mc hugs Amber in the Monster World when she learns of her and Liz's situation, if the Mc has high corruption he knocks her out when she loses it, but if he doesn't, you get a really beautiful scene where he hugs her and apologizes whilst her water drains him of his strength until Amber loses consciousness on her own.

 

[Chris20]

Something interesting Nico mentions in this update is that all the strongest people in the Hero, and even outside of it, don’t rely only on getting stronger through straightforward evolutions. In her case, she has the Hexenringe, but she also says the other captains have similar special tools or mechanisms that boost their power.

So what would the MC have?

I keep thinking his main “tool” might be the memory abilities, but those don’t seem particularly useful for direct combat… Outside of that, he has some body modifications like the monster heart, certain absorptions, items from the shopkeeper, etc. But none of these feel like a concrete, defining power source. Honestly, the impression is that all of this just translates into stat boosts.

Ella definitely had abnormal things in her body to have that kind of overwhelming power.

So what do you think he could develop in the future beyond that?

My gut is telling me it is about unlocking something with his memory abilities, something related with the voice, his connection with the entities that made him and his mother.
A level 4 evolution is special, you beging to break the supposed limits of your powers that were stablished in the beginning.

 

[Chris20]

Personaly I always use the cheat mod to lower my corruption just for that scene, and then raise it back up afterwards.

Oh and also I lower my corruption for the scene where the Mc hugs Amber in the Monster World when she learns of her and Liz's situation, if the Mc has high corruption he knocks her out when she loses it, but if he doesn't, you get a really beautiful scene where he hugs her and apologizes whilst her water drains him of his strength until Amber loses consciousness on her own.

For me, i role play as an anti-hero, i am not afraid of killing, i only murder assholes (like that old dude in the NTR route) and criminals, but i am not a psychopath. This is the version of the MC that make most sense.

 

[Null Void Abyss]

For me, i role play as an anti-hero, i am not afraid of killing, i only murder assholes (like that old dude in the NTR route) and criminals, but i am not a psychopath. This is the version of the MC that make most sense.

same, it easy that way

 

[Jonathan Y]

For me, i role play as an anti-hero, i am not afraid of killing, i only murder assholes (like that old dude in the NTR route) and criminals, but i am not a psychopath. This is the version of the MC that make most sense.

I wouldn't say one version of the Mc "makes more sense" than another.

 

[Acanthite]

So what do you think he could develop in the future beyond that?

There's been a bunch of talk about how Corruption in general will cause abilities to change and grow more powerful so that's one way for MC to get some of what Nico (and Nyx) is talking about. But for something more comparable to her Hexenringe collection, that's more vague. I'd think MC will need to start exploring things like that technique Syla uses against Indra as one possible direction. We get a small taste of it in the early part of the fight against Cole, he's fighting a thousand battles at once. If he could make a real skill out of that kind of experience, there's a lot of ways he could get stronger just from that. That came from the first time he really sat and meditated on Memory and connections he has access to, and he's told by Syla he REALLY needs more time than the little he had to get more out of it.

We also know he's slowly incorporating usable monster physiology that he can get to stick that's just better, so he's taking some steps similar to Ella as it is, but that obviously won't be enough on its own.

Otherwise I think back to the question of what MC wants. Power implies yeah, eat people with specifically useful powers. Love implies growing relationships but that's got a much less tangible benefit to his growth, though even Ella is willing to think it might be better than treating allies like tools. We don't really see anyone but MC in that situation unless you count Elijah's relationship with Bernhardt but that backfired more than it helped. I feel like he's gonna learn something from what Shadow is going through too. MC's path might not be to get any specific boost, but to let his own power naturally evolve in a way no one else's does when the time comes. If the obvious thing that the Eye is the Arbiter of Evolution is correct, that's more than possible. All we see from the relevant dead ends is that the Eye unleashes as much of its own power as MC's body is capable of, we don't see the power itself change much yet.

 

[Jonathan Y]

Otherwise I think back to the question of what MC wants. Power implies yeah, eat people with specifically useful powers. Love implies growing relationships but that's got a much less tangible benefit to his growth.

Personaly I believe that playing a low to no corruption Mc will allow him to form the necessary connections and bonds that would allow him to use the recalled arms powers Sylla used, aka call forth the powers of individuals Sylla had connected with, like when she briefly turned into Aos, that Asura etc.

This is just a personal theory, but I believe the key to using memory as a way to perfectly replicate the powers of others the way Sylla did in the dream world is being able to make those sort of emotional connections. Now I'm not talking about replicating some of the abilities of others, but full on turn into them the way Sylla did in the dream world.

So that would make this a perfect reward and balance for a good aligned playthrough. Because a corrupted Mc straight up feels less, he outright states his emotions are numbing. So if my theory is correct, a corrupt Mc won't be able to from those key connections, because his empathy would either be lacking or outright gone.

So a high corruption Mc - full on power, body abiltities used to dominate his foes.
low corruptiom - memory based abilities he can call forth due to the relationships and connections he cultivated througout his journey.

 

[Acanthite]

I like that idea a lot. I was having a hard time thinking of what kind of separation there would be for High vs Low corruption long-term beyond MC just losing choices, but that would be a great direction to go with it.

 

[Chris20]

I wouldn't say one version of the Mc "makes more sense" than another.

I forgot to add ¨it make sense to me¨, i mean, from a narrative point of view, he is in the perfect set up to make an anti-hero, i cant really make him a psychopath right away and kill some inconcent farmer (wich i think it was the first time where we got the option to kill someone, i dont remember), makes no sense.

 

[Chris20]

low corruptiom - memory based abilities he can call forth due to the relationships and connections he cultivated througout his journey.

In other words, the power of friendship.

 

[obibobi]

Mention saying Syla used the powers of others but that's not exactly what she did, she used the memories of others, powerful but its important because there's a thematic and mechanical difference. She uses them as they are, given that they are memories they cannot be altered, cannot be improved upon.

I hope no one ever has it, especially the MC. Weird even went out of his way to mention how the MC doesn't absorb the power of anyone when he eats them, power being some spiritual trait unrelated to the flesh. Although eating powerful monsters probably will be his version of Nico enslaving Hexen Rings, benefitting from their combined supernatural physiology and he could end getting traits like acid spit and alternative senses.

 

[Chris20]

Mention saying Syla used the powers of others but that's not exactly what she did, she used the memories of others, powerful but its important because there's a thematic and mechanical difference. She uses them as they are, given that they are memories they cannot be altered, cannot be improved upon.

I hope no one ever has it, especially the MC. Weird even went out of his way to mention how the MC doesn't absorb the power of anyone when he eats them, power being some spiritual trait unrelated to the flesh. Although eating powerful monsters probably will be his version of Nico enslaving Hexen Rings, benefitting from their combined supernatural physiology and he could end getting traits like acid spit and alternative senses.

Idk what WW is coking, but i will say that we will be in the context of a war and grand scale conflicts; eating monsters is a way to gain power, but i think that alone is not really enough, that memory thing and the voice is important.