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kinglionheart

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So being a girlfriend for perfect guy is tiring, but being a mom for some depressive pervert is a relaxing.
Even though it's exhausting trying to protect the love of her life against her own mother, does it give her any relief to fight against her mother for some pervert?
Actually yes I imagine trying to be a perfect person for another perfect person is a lot more stressful than taking care of a imperfect person. Also protecting the weak Inoda against her tyrannical mother would give her a good source of messiah complex.

You asked a question with the simple answer is this is a NTR work so it has to be this way but I am trying to do some Olympic mental gymnastics for any other reason why she is doing this.
 

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In the scene where Kirito's dick gets bigger, Asuna says "His dick is so big, it hurts" and in every sexual interaction with Inoda, she is ecstatic because of Inoda's big dick. If he really wanted to handle this NTR this way, the developer had to go a different way. For example, it could have shown Kirito as an asshole chasing other girls.
This situation could have created a logical basis for Asuna to keep her distance from Kirito and get closer to Inoda. But no. While there is the main character who is handsome, strong, ambitious and does everything for his beloved, his lover keeps a meaningless distance from him. And both sides act as if there is nothing. This makes the game one of the cliché NTR games, as I said at the beginning.
No thanks, that just makes it cheating and not NTR. No corruption at all.
 

kinglionheart

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Let's be honest, the only reason Asuna is paying any attention to Inoda is because he's the NTR MC of this game and their entire universe is twisted to work off NTR logic, nothing more, nothing less.

There really is no need to give it much more thought because that's the truth of things and how Fujino willed it to, after all XD
I think I am in the state of post nut clarity. I am avoiding occam's razor and trying to understand nature of the world beyond the obvious. I should be back to Earth by tomorrow.
 

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Actually yes I imagine trying to be a perfect person for another perfect person is a lot more stressful than taking care of a imperfect person. Also protecting the weak Inoda against her tyrannical mother would give her a good source of messiah complex.

You asked a question with the simple answer is this is a NTR work so it has to be this way but I am trying to do some Olympic mental gymnastics for any other reason why she is doing this.
You are right, it can be tiresome. But what doesn't make sense is her knowing and actually saying that Kirito is the most supportive and understanding to her, so she could just talk with him about it, problem solved. But yeah, it's just NTR :)
 

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Actually no it is the opposite. All NTR is a type of cheating but not all cheating is a type of NTR.

Like when a woman has a relationship with another man without wanting to leave the original man or preferring the another man then it just cheating not NTR.
if you are not sure about the meaning of a japanese hentai term, vndb is usually a good place to check
from VNDB:
but since we are in f95zone, its better to also check the tag rules of the site: Tags Rules And List [Updated 2024-01-29] "Netorare [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]"

so basically its more about MC's jealousy and feelings, it doesnt matter if the love interest still want to be in a relationship with MC while cheating with others. even in rape where the love interest hated everything, the situation is still considered as ntr type c.

hope this don't get removed since its kinda "off topic" from the game thread to be honest. we should never have needed to talk about the meaning of ntr in a game thread.
 
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Reading these comments, its gonna be tough for me to play this second part if Asuna is so uncaring to Kirito. I will still play it for the overall quality, but its gonna be a drag.
 

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Umm... I have news for you. Cheating is a one of the type of NTR.
They are separate tags everywhere for a reason. If Kiroto begins acting like a dick and cheating on Asuna, and she willingly cheats back because he deserves it, that doesn't have the same emotional weight of NTR.
 

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Actually no it is the opposite. All NTR is a type of cheating but not all cheating is a type of NTR.

Like when a woman has a relationship with another man without wanting to leave the original man or preferring the another man then it just cheating not NTR.
Cheating is one of the sub part of NTR. But not every NTR is a cheating. Please look for NTR types from internet for more info.


They are separate tags everywhere for a reason. If Kiroto begins acting like a dick and cheating on Asuna, and she willingly cheats back because he deserves it, that doesn't have the same emotional weight of NTR.

"For a reason". Like I said, "not every NTR is a cheating". That's why there are separate tags.
"that doesn't have the same emotional weight of NTR". Not every part of NTR have emotional weight. Netori, Netorare, Netorase and all other NTR types have different aspects. For example, in one of the NTR type girl is having sex with others because her boyfriend love that idea. So NTR is not only one type. Please search at google.
 
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Please educate me a form of NTR without cheating that is different from what I listed above.
Like I said, there is a lot of sub content of NTR. You are talking about Netorase.
Netori: What is Inoda doing is Netori. "Sleeping with a girl who have boyfriend." It is NTR also.
Netorare: For example, "Asuna sleeping with Inoda because Kirito wants to watch this and jerk off." This is also NTR. But that is not cheating because Kirito and Asuna both want this experience.
Netorase: "Asuna sleeping with Inoda. When Kirito saw this, he feels disgust and wants to kill himself but Asuna keep doing it because she feels good. That is also NTR.
There are other NTR types. That's why I told you, please use Google.
 
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kinglionheart

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Like I said, there is a lot of sub content of NTR. You are talking about Netorase.
Netori: What is Inoda doing is Netori. "Sleeping with a girl who have boyfriend." It is NTR also. But that is not cheating because Kirito and Asuna both want this experience.
Netorare: For example, "Asuna sleeping with Inoda because Kirito wants to watch this and jerk off." This is also NTR.
Netorase: "Asuna sleeping with Inoda. When Kirito saw this, he feels disgust and wants to kill himself but Asuna keep doing it because she feels good. That is also NTR.
There are other NTR types. That's why I told you, please use Google.
Oh that is you meant. I understand now. You thought NTR meant the umbrella term for all "neto" genres instead just shorthand for netorare. We were not talking about the same thing! Alright you do you.
 
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Paslicivi

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Oh that is you meant. I understand now. You thought NTR meant the umbrella term for all "neto" genres instead just shorthand for netorare. We were not talking about the same thing! Alright you do you.
Yes, I've been trying to explain this from the beginning. Since there is only a netorare tag in F95, there is a perception that NTR is the short name of netorare. That's why I tried to explain.
 

kinglionheart

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Yes, I've been trying to explain this from the beginning. Since there is only a netorare tag in F95, there is a perception that NTR is the short name of netorare. That's why I tried to explain.
You really should have explain that clearly in the beginning. I never heard anyone use NTR as the umbrella term before. Even if you google NTR it only returns netorare and you have to search the other neto separately to get results.
 
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demidemon

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Okay fine we will use the definition from F95 where Cheating [A significant other having sex with someone other than their partner.] And Netorare [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]. So my statement was still right since your example still fits the definition of cheating.

But I will concede with the definition of NTR a situation where a love interest is just interacting with other man without sex and the MC gets jealous is also NTR as ridiculous as it sounds. So NTR can be without cheating by F95's definition.
the netorare tag here is listed as a sexual content tag
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so this forum is not that ridiculous if you actually read the tag rules (when you feel confused) before jumping into a ridiculous conclusion...
 
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