RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [Part 2 v0.551c] [Fujino]

[throdo]

Are there any other games that have the 'Asuna status changed' mechanic? Where it was known to the player that some devious acts are ongoing. That is so well done in this game.

 

[gdr5800]

Are there any other games that have the 'Asuna status changed' mechanic? Where it was known to the player that some devious acts are ongoing. That is so well done in this game.

https://f95zone.to/threads/survival-mission-z-steam-rsworks.151477/
https://f95zone.to/threads/ma-otoko-ni-some-maru-junpaku-no-kanojo-sinabi-ninja-village.226145/

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

I am pretty sure the Administrator-minati believes Kayaba hide the Seed or information about the Seed with Kirito that is why they are scanning his memories. I don't understand why everyone is thinking that maze is suppose to represent Kirito's memories when it is representing Kirito searching through the minati's hidden files. The time dilation part was me wondering why Infeno2.0 mentioned it in his post. It doesn't seem to be related to anything else in his post.

I know, I was making a joke about it because they believe the canon thing happened when it never did XD

It’s still a bit random, considering her dad came directly to his apartment and then just let him leave?

I mean, we KNOW Fujino's writing isn't really the most consistent in general or at all, especially when it's trying to overwrite Canon to fit his NTR-verse, so no wonder

And I guess without Kayaba's help, Kirito doesn't know about having the SEED that Kayaba gives (which is basically just the source code) to create other VRMMOs. But that would be a more canon focused explanation on this whole weird plot line that's going on.

This one is another big example, and a funny one at that...Kirito never got the Seed from Kayaba, therefore VRMMOs never became widespread in the NTR-verse compared to Canon SAO, meaning most games post-ALO can't exist period...but Sinon was mentioned to have been a top-player in GGO. Again, GGO was a Seed-based game, so it simply can't exist in this world, so...yeah XD

At the end of the day, the game's plot is a titanic mess that the more Fujino tries to 'make sense' by making it into a more 'complex' story, he just creates more and more and more plot-holes, he's just lucky most people either don't know or don't give a shit about Canon SAO because they're only here to see Kirito getting NTR-ed, so the game is still his most popular one despite all the issues

I really don't understand how people think like this, beyond having been raised motherless I can't understand how they fail to wrap their head around the idea of Mother-Son NTR games.


Netorare at the end of the day is all about losing a relationship, damaging bonds, or many similar scenarios.

While most doujins or games makes it so the cuck/son character has an ingrained sexual attraction towards their mother, in a way that would make Freud blush. Even a normal person, not from Alabama, should understand that the bond between a mother and a son can be damaged like any other type of relationship.


Less make an example so everyone can understand it very simply.

Let's say I have a friend, who I don't particularly like as a girl, and there is this guy I HATE, because he is Suguhaphobic. Saying things like "Incest is bad" "Suguha is not even in the top 3 characters from SAO" "etc".

Of course, like any normal person I could not continue my friendship with that girl if she started dating the person I hate the most in the entire world. By choosing that relationship, she would be doing so while acknowledging that it would be jeopardizing our friendship.

(A broken bond over someone not appreciating the best girl, a tale as old as time.)

Now, take that very common place example that happens everyday in the real world, and apply it to a similar concept with your mother.

You may, or may not love your mum, depending how much she likes or doesn't like Suguha, but I'm sure that you wouldn't be able to proudly say you love her, if she spent her every weekend giving rimjobs to random homeless guys for the art of the craft.

The moment a character chooses someone or something else over the protagonist/cuck in question, be that for love or simple the pleasure of giving rimjobs to hairy hicks doesn't matter, that can be counted as NTR when framed by a porn-point-of-view.

Perhaps it's just me being old fashioned, and not as hip and trendy as Moss555 himself, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to be accept my mother fucking some random criminal, a classmate of mine 20 years her junior, or anyone who I find similarly disagreeable.




Anyways, no Suguha today, just a random Kyouko post to keep it relevant to the topic at hand.

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Trust on the biggest Sugu fan here beyond even me to make such an amazing example XD

 

[NUTAN]

Is this game compatible with joiplay??

 

[mos555]

This one is another big example, and a funny one at that...Kirito never got the Seed from Kayaba, therefore VRMMOs never became widespread in the NTR-verse compared to Canon SAO, meaning most games post-ALO can't exist period...but Sinon was mentioned to have been a top-player in GGO. Again, GGO was a Seed-based game, so it simply can't exist in this world, so...yeah XD

Then what is Alice doing in this game anyway? She is not a human at all, she is a perfect artificial intelligence from Alicization. And even if we said that she received a platform for the real world just like in the novel, but it is unlikely that an AI robot can be hypnotized.

 

[kinglionheart]

will asuna keep letting inoda have sex with her in fog consentually?

Yes. She has her excuse to fuck wild in FOG now.

Then what is Alice doing in this game anyway? She is not a human at all, she is a perfect artificial intelligence from Alicization. And even if we said that she received a platform for the real world just like in the novel, but it is unlikely that an AI robot can be hypnotized.

Most likely Fujino created a original character that looks and named Alice. This way he can have all the fun he wants with Alice without explaining how she exists in the real world. Of course maybe Fujino will make a twist that Alice is a AI in robotic body and she was programed so well she believes she is a real woman so was able to be hypnotized. But I doubt Fujino will go that far.

This one is another big example, and a funny one at that...Kirito never got the Seed from Kayaba, therefore VRMMOs never became widespread in the NTR-verse compared to Canon SAO, meaning most games post-ALO can't exist period...but Sinon was mentioned to have been a top-player in GGO. Again, GGO was a Seed-based game, so it simply can't exist in this world, so...yeah XD

Fujino is trying to pick and choose parts of the canon story he wants into his story without knowing how it fits into the larger canon. Alice is probably the best example. It is his fanfiction and it would only bother people knows the inconsistent logic of those changes as you said. It just seems a lot more trouble than it is worth. It might have been easier to write his own original story instead.

 

[Alex040677]

Unfortunately for various reasons I missed a couple of updates and now I don't know what's new. I hope that one day a detailed guide can be made in order to discover all the routes and not miss anything.

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Then what is Alice doing in this game anyway? She is not a human at all, she is a perfect artificial intelligence from Alicization. And even if we said that she received a platform for the real world just like in the novel, but it is unlikely that an AI robot can be hypnotized.

Yes. She has her excuse to fuck wild in FOG now.


Most likely Fujino created a original character that looks and named Alice. This way he can have all the fun he wants with Alice without explaining how she exists in the real world. Of course maybe Fujino will make a twist that Alice is a AI in robotic body and she was programed so well she believes she is a real woman so was able to be hypnotized. But I doubt Fujino will go that far.


Fujino is trying to pick and choose parts of the canon story he wants into his story without knowing how it fits into the larger canon. Alice is probably the best example. It is his fanfiction and it would only bother people knows the inconsistent logic of those changes as you said. It just seems a lot more trouble than it is worth. It might have been easier to write his own original story instead.

Basically what King said here above, Fujino essentially is mixing whatever he wants from Canon SAO without worrying too much in how it fits together and trying to justify it however he can which results mostly in a bigger mess in general, tbh. Alice and Quinella/Administrator were the first most blatant ones, Alice only appeared in the game because she won a poll, like Liz, she wasn't originally part of Fujino's plans when making the game, so he had to make up a full-on OC background and give her Alice's face to make her work because there was no way he could include Alice in any resemblance to her canon self's origins in his NTR-verse XD (Which ironically is probably what most people who voted for her wanted rather than the OC with her face and the mess of a boring story her plot ended up being, especially when it involved Klein that nobody gave a shit about). Same with Administrator, in the Fujinoverse she's an actual goddess rather than a megalomaniacal AI with a god complex, and has her own cult trying to help her descend into the real world now.

 

[mos555]

It might have been easier to write his own original story instead.

I think it was just not worth overloading the game with unnecessary characters. Like Klein or Alice. To get into the brothel, Kirito could have asked for Inoda's help, he would have started to trust Inoda more, which would have been very ironic in this situation. And Inoda would have received some material for blackmail and manipulation. Which could have pushed some situations to develop.

 

[mos555]

I been thinking about Kirito's relationship with Inoda for awhile now. I think Kirito's relationship with Inoda is at best a acquaintance. Kirito does not invite Inoda on his own. It is the girls' requesting to include Inoda. He is not a friend like Klein so they don't hang out. It would be impossible for Kirito to ask Inoda to do anything together especially a official secret mission.

Well, I think that improving Kirito and Inoda's relationship, at least on the surface, could bring some colors to this game. Especially in its NTR component. Can you imagine Asuna's joy? "I love Kirito, now he's friends with Inoda, and I'm fucking Inoda in the game. And no one is stressed. How well our company is doing."

 

[mos555]

Do you remember in the first part? Inoda pulled Asuna out of the sewer, or went to look for Asuna at the bandits' base. That is, in Kirito's opinion, Inoda was doing something and was useful at some points. In the second part, Inoda is just furniture with a big dick.

In the second part, Fujino did not give Inoda a role at all that would justify his being in Kirito's company, except that Asuna simply invites him.

 

[kinglionheart]

afaik kirito is a pushover when it comes to inoda. he'll prolly do whatever he says, because he knows asuna will get angry if he doesn't help inoda. there's a slight chance for that to happen

So Inoda would say "Mommy Asuna! Big bad Kirito won't let me play with him! " while crying into and rubbing her breasts.

Well, I think that improving Kirito and Inoda's relationship, at least on the surface, could bring some colors to this game. Especially in its NTR component. Can you imagine Asuna's joy? "I love Kirito, now he's friends with Inoda, and I'm fucking Inoda in the game. And no one is stressed. How well our company is doing."

It does make NTR more interesting if the guys have some sort of relationship as well. Inoda only relationship with Kirito is his intense jealousy of Kirito's popularity, good lucks, and have Asuna. While Kirito doesn't think much of anything of Inoda. Too bad Fujino is spending so much time developing other characters that he doesn't want to or have time to develop this relationship.

 

[Aniky Light]

Well, I think that improving Kirito and Inoda's relationship, at least on the surface, could bring some colors to this game. Especially in its NTR component. Can you imagine Asuna's joy? "I love Kirito, now he's friends with Inoda, and I'm fucking Inoda in the game. And no one is stressed. How well our company is doing."

Inoda is too arrogant behind Kirito's back, I don't see all this friendship

 

[Infeno2.0]

I think it was just not worth overloading the game with unnecessary characters. Like Klein or Alice. To get into the brothel, Kirito could have asked for Inoda's help, he would have started to trust Inoda more, which would have been very ironic in this situation. And Inoda would have received some material for blackmail and manipulation. Which could have pushed some situations to develop.

That would never work because you remove the plausible deniability Inoda character needs to function, if he was the one who bring Kirito over there and after try to manipulate Asuna that would be easy to break, Kirito just had say well Inoda knows why I was there to Asuna.

I been thinking about Kirito's relationship with Inoda for awhile now. I think Kirito's relationship with Inoda is at best a acquaintance. Kirito does not invite Inoda on his own. It is the girls' requesting to include Inoda. He is not a friend like Klein so they don't hang out. It would be impossible for Kirito to ask Inoda to do anything together especially a official secret mission.

Kirito think about Inoda at best as a trhid wheel who get in the way and he knows not trust him and just because the adimin mess around he can't exactly put his finger on why. Even sometimes talking whit Asuna about that.
He think Inoda is weak and pathetic and he's not wrong but at the same time he keep underestimating Inoda and that's is his mistake. This is one more reason for the last scene being somewhat strange if Asuna wasnt that dumb she wolud suspect about all the things Inoda told her over his performance simple because they are not that close for this type of talk.
Is more or less like in some NTR plot where you have the Chad being cucked by the Nerd usually we would expect the opposite.

 

[Infeno2.0]

Do you remember in the first part? Inoda pulled Asuna out of the sewer, or went to look for Asuna at the bandits' base. That is, in Kirito's opinion, Inoda was doing something and was useful at some points. In the second part, Inoda is just furniture with a big dick.

In the second part, Fujino did not give Inoda a role at all that would justify his being in Kirito's company, except that Asuna simply invites him.

That is because Fujino include the Admin in the story, the first part Inoda had some development because the plot needed, but now he is basicaly the tool for the admin reach her goal, make him OP in the FOG and maipulating Kirito outside.
Fujino had no need to develope his character further.

 

[mos555]

Inoda is too arrogant behind Kirito's back, I don't see all this friendship

Inoda is a little manipulator and a liar, so after seeing the benefits, he can pretend to be Kirito's friend, especially if Asuna likes it.

That would never work because you remove the plausible deniability Inoda character needs to function, if he was the one who bring Kirito over there and after try to manipulate Asuna that would be easy to break, Kirito just had say well Inoda knows why I was there to Asuna.

Well, Kirito is unlikely to lead Inoda into the labyrinth of memory. So Inoda can honestly say, "Kirito asked me to take him to a brothel, and then I do not know what happened there." And then, with the eyes of a Shrek cat, he will say, "I'm sorry Kirito, I can't lie to Asuna."

 

[Infeno2.0]

Inoda is a little manipulator and a liar, so after seeing the benefits, he can pretend to be Kirito's friend, especially if Asuna likes it.



Well, Kirito is unlikely to lead Inoda into the labyrinth of memory. So Inoda can honestly say, "Kirito asked me to take him to a brothel, and then I do not know what happened there." And then, with the eyes of a Shrek cat, he will say, "I'm sorry Kirito, I can't lie to Asuna."

Yes but how Kirito would explain to Inoda take me to brothel and for what. Like i said Kirito don't know why but he knows he can't trust Inoda.

 

[mos555]

Yes but how Kirito would explain to Inoda take me to brothel and for what.

Kirito would hardly have told Inoda the truth about his quest. Most likely, I would say that "I will explain everything later and this is related to the game itself, something strange is happening around" Inoda will simply manipulate words and when Kirito asks Inoda to confirm something, Inoda will simply say - "I do not know, you did not tell me anything specific, just said it's important, take me away To the brothel"

There is an opportunity to play out a variety of situations, with different cues or actions. The point here is that Alice and Klein are not important to the plot. You just need to figure out how someone else from the existing ones helps Kirito get into the brothel. Inoda is the most suitable of all.

 

[mos555]

In the game, go to the memory room, look at "Alice and Others", then imagine that all the events that are there could be spent on other characters - Asuna, Inoda, Suguha and Liz. How do you like it?

 

[Infeno2.0]

There is an opportunity to play out a variety of situations, with different cues or actions. The point here is that Alice and Klein are not important to the plot. You just need to figure out how someone else from the existing ones helps Kirito get into the brothel. Inoda is the most suitable of all.

In the game, go to the memory room, look at "Alice and Others", then imagine that all the events that are there could be spent on other characters - Asuna, Inoda Suguha and Liz. How do you like it?

Yes and that is a old complain about Fujino put too many cookies in the jar, he got lost in the plot.
I've post about that, Fujino did gave some of his creative control to fans when he made pools about charecter inclusion and exclusion in the game and had to accomodate with new plot lines, you can tell he didnt had plans for these changes and everything got messy, Alice and Klein had ho real impact in the main plot and he end up wasting time and ressources. Even to the point to backtrack about Hebishima exclusion, i think in his original idea for the story hebishima had to be there to move the plot foward.