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It's not a fair comparison. When Revenge of the Nerds was released, societal norms were different, and behaviors that were accepted back then would now be seen as completely unacceptable. If someone still thinks otherwise, they’ve probably missed the last 40+ years of human development. Don’t even get me started on Stephen King's "it" or Nabokov's "Lolita" :sneaky:
I agree that what Lion said is a false analogy, but not for the reason you stated. I don't believe a "good guy" raping someone was acceptable back then either tho. Granted, I've never seen the movie, but I'd bet my left testicle that back then, having someone who is written to be a good person rape someone else, wasn't exactly something people just accepted.
 
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4-kun

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I agree that what Lion said is a false analogy, but not for the reason you stated. I don't believe a "good guy" raping someone was acceptable back then either tho. Granted, I've never seen the movie, but I'd bet my left testicle that back then, having someone who is written to be a good person rape someone else, wasn't exactly something people just accepted.
What I mean; It's a bit more difficult. Back then, concepts like 'a wife's duty to please her husband' were considered normal, but by today's laws and common sense it's considered sexual assault.
 

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It's not a fair comparison. When Revenge of the Nerds was released, societal norms were different, and behaviors that were accepted back then would now be seen as completely unacceptable. If someone still thinks otherwise, they’ve probably missed the last 40+ years of human development. Don’t even get me started on Stephen King's "it" or Nabokov's "Lolita" :sneaky:
Was not using the Revenge of the Nerds as a example to show outdated tropes. I know no way that movie would be made today. But when it was made, it was okay. Why? The scene was the guy pretended to be the girl's boyfriend in costume, had sex with her, she found out, she was okay with it because he was better than her boyfriend. It was still rape but the circumstances made it acceptable at the time. Definitely not today.

Going back to Misarmor's original point. Just raping Asuna in Part 1 was not enough to get people to think Inoda was not a villain. I seen posts saying since it was all in VR it does not count or in the Lustiful Night because she was willing. I was trying to use a example of people okay with evil deeds because of the circumstances. As you can imagine something like rape is not easy to find and I can only think of that 40 year movie most people here was not even born when came out.

I don't want to defend Inoda's actions especially rape but it is the truth that a lot of people was okay with what he did since they found the circumstances acceptable even if you don't agree. Sorry to get everyone heated up.
 
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That was how he was written in Part 1. Everything thing he did was to get Asuna and he only did things to Asuna. Then Part 2 happened while his priority is still Asuna he now sticks his dick in anyone he can. It is sad I was actually on his side in Part 1. I thought it was a good loser getting a girl out of his league story.

I remember Fujino said he was surprised anyone liked Inoda. Maybe he corrected course in Part 2 to make sure everyone knows Inoda is a villain.
IDK how you came to the conclusion thinking that Inoda was "a good loser getting a girl out of league" in Part 1. We see some of his thought processes while talking to Asuna and they're not pure in the slightest. We see that he's an emotional manipulator as he is always trying to tug at her heartstrings to make her escalate the sexual favors he asks of her. He was always a villain, so I'm glad you dislike him now
 

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What I mean; It's a bit more difficult. Back then, concepts like 'a wife's duty to please her husband' were considered normal, but by today's laws and common sense it's considered sexual assault.
I don't even wanna get into how that's wrong in many different ways lol. To not dilute the forum with more unrelated stuff that doesn't pertain to the game, let's agree to disagree.
 

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IDK how you came to the conclusion thinking that Inoda was "a good loser getting a girl out of league" in Part 1. We see some of his thought processes while talking to Asuna and they're not pure in the slightest. We see that he's an emotional manipulator as he is always trying to tug at her heartstrings to make her escalate the sexual favors he asks of her. He was always a villain, so I'm glad you dislike him now
I was young then. :oops:
 

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Was not using the Revenge of the Nerds as a example to show outdated tropes. I know no way that movie would be made today. But when it was made, it was okay. Why? The scene was the guy pretended to be the girl's boyfriend in costume, had sex with her, she found out, she was okay with it because he was better than her boyfriend. It was still rape but the circumstances made it acceptable at the time. Definitely not today.

Going back to Misarmor's original point. Just raping Asuna in Part 1 was not enough to get people to think Inoda was not a villain. I seen posts saying since it was all in VR it does not count or in the Lustiful Night because she was willing. I was trying to use a example of people okay with evil deeds because of the circumstances. As you can imagine something like rape is not easy to find and I can only think of that 40 year movie most people here was not even born when came out.

I don't want to defend Inoda's actions especially rape but it is the truth that a lot of people was okay with what he did since they found the circumstances acceptable even if you don't agree. Sorry to get everyone heated up.
That's the thing that makes me wonder. Everyone was arguing about the VR stuff, while he literally raped her oraly IRL, and most people just ignored that fact.
 

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That's the thing that makes me wonder. Everyone was arguing about the VR stuff, while he literally raped her oraly IRL, and most people just ignored that fact.
You know I hadn't thought about it since the last update came out, and perhaps this is just another snippet of conversation I am forgetting, but why the fuck did Inoda need a key to go rape the critically online Asuna during the last time, when he just managed to walk in and do the same to her during the fireworks date event in part 1?
Did his fat ass enter through a window back then and now his even fatter ass does not fit through anymore?
 
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You know I hadn't thought about it since the last update came out, and perhaps this is just another snippet of conversation I am forgetting, but why the fuck did Inoda need a key to go rape the critically online Asuna during the last time, when he just managed to walk in and do the same to her during the fireworks date event in part 1?
Did his fat ass enter through a window back then and now his even fatter ass does not fit through anymore?
It's been a while since I played part one, but wasn't he like constantly at her place for some stupid reasons? :LOL:
 

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IDK how you came to the conclusion thinking that Inoda was "a good loser getting a girl out of league" in Part 1. We see some of his thought processes while talking to Asuna and they're not pure in the slightest. We see that he's an emotional manipulator as he is always trying to tug at her heartstrings to make her escalate the sexual favors he asks of her. He was always a villain, so I'm glad you dislike him now
I actually like Inoda, it the sense that he puts in the work, compared to other NTR characters. Even games like Summer Shattering, the protagonists' competition is lackluster and cliche. Of course, there are other works like Venus, but they always tend to be the same. But, only criticizing Inoda is unfair. Kirito and Asuna are surrounded by horrible people, including not only Inoda, but Lisbeth and Suguha as well.
 

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I actually like Inoda, it the sense that he puts in the work, compared to other NTR characters. Even games like Summer Shattering, the protagonists' competition is lackluster and cliche. Of course, there are other works like Venus, but they always tend to be the same. But, only criticizing Inoda is unfair. Kirito and Asuna are surrounded by horrible people, including not only Inoda, but Lisbeth and Suguha as well.
I would agree only in part 1; he was actually an interesting villain. But in part 2, he is totally overpowered and overly favored in every aspect of the game, making him absolutely boring for me. :sneaky:
 

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But, only criticizing Inoda is unfair. Kirito and Asuna are surrounded by horrible people, including not only Inoda, but Lisbeth and Suguha as well.
This is not coming just from an official Sugu dick-rider, who would simp for her anytime given the chance, but when I look at her character in this game, she is one of the people who come out looking the best, besides Alice and Klein who really are just victims of Fujino's desire for a NTR hypnosis plot.

Yes, what she is doing to Kirito is wrong and there is no denying that, but I see it as her own traumatic response to literally being sexually abused, blackmailed, and raped by Hebishima a couple of weeks ago in the game universe.

So, while there is no denying that what she is bad and there is no way I would say that what she is doing isn’t wrong, I can more easily forgive it when compared to Inoda's who takes everything that Sugu is doing wrong, and multiplies it over 9000 times.

Besides, I have already talked about this before, but Suguha's action still feel like they are motivated by love, twisted as it may be, with her seeking to not just satisfy her need to be with Kirito, but also seeks to make him happy. You don’t see her try to sabotage his relationship or even speak ill of Asuna in front of him, unlike the piglet across the wall from his apartment who couldn't care any less what happens as long as he gets his dick wet and he can avoid the consequences of his actions.

And I don’t know about Liz, she is just a bitch and a bad friend for no real reason.
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Tldr: In NTR online there is only one goat, and her name is Suguha Kirigaya.
 

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I actually like Inoda, it the sense that he puts in the work, compared to other NTR characters. Even games like Summer Shattering, the protagonists' competition is lackluster and cliche. Of course, there are other works like Venus, but they always tend to be the same. But, only criticizing Inoda is unfair. Kirito and Asuna are surrounded by horrible people, including not only Inoda, but Lisbeth and Suguha as well.
I'd argue that most NTR bulls put in work when corrupting the person they're stealing. Fujino wrote this game to be a slow burn, and Asuna is written to not fall to corruption as easily as other characters in the genre. Most games are shorter than this one, so the characters fall pretty soon in the stories they're in. Inoda also doesn't really do anything different compared to other bulls. He manipulates, he's shown to have great sexual prowess, and he uses blackmail.

And the reason I only criticized Inoda is cause that's who we were talking about. Not the entire cast of the game, just Inoda. I can get into everyone else's flaws and critique them as well if you want. But that wasn't the point of that reply I had to Lion.
 
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