As somebody else already said, what Fujino specifically said wasn't that "ALO didn't happen", but that "The Fairy Dance Arc" didn't happen, which, yeah, the story had already 'clarified' in a twisted way...ALO as a game did exist, it's just that things went completely different because Asuna's dad miraculously was the one to find out about Sugou before Kirito was even told about her being in the game by Agil's rumors like in Canon, and from there things diverged...but the truth is that things already had diverted a lot between Asuna being completely sexually unsatisifed thanks to NTR nonsense and Sugou being obsessed with her enough to actually sexually harrass her (If not actually fuck her) in the game, which the Canon Sugou never gave enough fucks about doing until it was to try and torment Kirito at the end of the arc, which as others have said means it makes negative sense that this Sugou would hate Kirito at all particularly, especially as he should be caring WAY more than his plans to create (Doomed to fail) brainwashing tech were completely ruined than losing his teenage girl toy...so, yeah, the more Fujino tries to 'clarify', the more plot-holes become obvious and visible because this game is riddled to the brink with them both from the Canon-SAO-perspective and the plot-itself-perspective XD
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In the canon, Agil showed Kirito a blurry screenshot in which Kirito recognized Asuna in a cage.(just a few pixels, but in this game Kirito can't recognize Asuna with a thin black stripe across her eyes. Ruthless bitch - NTR
). But in the game, Fujino Agil apparently did not do this. And then the question is why? Agil is in the game and he looks after Kirito, but he doesn't help directly. And Agil knows about Asuna's infidelities and does nothing. I can only assume that this was the original idea for the main plot, to separate Asuna and Kirito. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a twist at the end where we, as players, find out that Asuna fell into Sugo's clutches because of the actions of Aguila, Sinon, or something similar.
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It was so much better back in Part 1 when it was vague around what time in SAO timeline the game could be set. It was mostly us having fun guessing. Then in Part 2 Fujino added details to separate his game from the canon like Asuna's father saving her and things got confusing. A lot of people got interested in the differences so he had to make this Q&A and things got even more confusing.
Kirito always had choices. While not every choice could completely resolve the situation—likely due to Fujino's development constraints—even in scenarios where he's led around by Sinon or Alice, there are plenty of justifications to argue it wasn't cheating.
For an adult game, these explanations are persuasive enough. At the same time, he clearly feels guilt over it. As for whether these plot elements dilute the NTR experience? That's subjective. Personally, I'm all for it.
As for Asuna, I’ve already explained this earlier. What we see is Inoda raping her, but in reality, it’s more of a half-willing sex—the ‘rape’ element accounts for maybe 30% at most. A lot goes unspoken in their dialogue. Let’s be honest—many couples’ first sexual experiences involve some degree of coercion.
As for why she hasn’t broken up with Kirito: sure, he saved her life in SAO, but also... women can be greedy. What downside is there for Asuna to keep him around? At least for now, Kirito hasn’t done anything egregious enough to warrant dumping him.
From what I’ve observed with cheating wives and girlfriends around me, even when they’re head-over-heels for their affair partner, it’s extremely common to maintain the facade of a stable relationship with their original partner—until, say, the man finds out, and then she calmly ends things. So no, I don’t see this as a plot hole.
Given Fujino’s hints, Asuna might start considering a full breakup with Kirito. She’s already wondered—in that hazy, half-conscious way—what if she’d met Inoda first? It’s all down to how Fujino develops this thread.
As for Sugou, I genuinely see no need for further discussion. His hatred for Kirito requires only one justification: male instinct in competing for a woman. Back in my student days, I too harbored hostility toward every guy who approached my crush.
And who claimed he doesn’t resent Asuna’s father? Just because he didn’t burst onto the scene yelling, ‘Old man, I’ll kill you!’? Come on!
For an adult game, these explanations are persuasive enough. At the same time, he clearly feels guilt over it. As for whether these plot elements dilute the NTR experience? That's subjective. Personally, I'm all for it.
As for Asuna, I’ve already explained this earlier. What we see is Inoda raping her, but in reality, it’s more of a half-willing sex—the ‘rape’ element accounts for maybe 30% at most. A lot goes unspoken in their dialogue. Let’s be honest—many couples’ first sexual experiences involve some degree of coercion.
As for why she hasn’t broken up with Kirito: sure, he saved her life in SAO, but also... women can be greedy. What downside is there for Asuna to keep him around? At least for now, Kirito hasn’t done anything egregious enough to warrant dumping him.
From what I’ve observed with cheating wives and girlfriends around me, even when they’re head-over-heels for their affair partner, it’s extremely common to maintain the facade of a stable relationship with their original partner—until, say, the man finds out, and then she calmly ends things. So no, I don’t see this as a plot hole.
Given Fujino’s hints, Asuna might start considering a full breakup with Kirito. She’s already wondered—in that hazy, half-conscious way—what if she’d met Inoda first? It’s all down to how Fujino develops this thread.
As for Sugou, I genuinely see no need for further discussion. His hatred for Kirito requires only one justification: male instinct in competing for a woman. Back in my student days, I too harbored hostility toward every guy who approached my crush.
And who claimed he doesn’t resent Asuna’s father? Just because he didn’t burst onto the scene yelling, ‘Old man, I’ll kill you!’? Come on!
Over-focusing on the differences between canon and NTR Online is a misunderstanding.
All you need to know is that the main SAO story happened, but everything after that diverges completely—Fujino’s word is law here.
A canon Asuna would never get involved with someone like Inoda. You’ve already accepted a non-canon Asuna, yet nitpick about background settings? That’s putting the cart before the horse.
What’s making the plot messy and full of ‘holes’ isn’t Fujino—it’s your insistence on comparing everything to the original.
Look at his Fate doujin work: it’s equally detached from its source material. That’s his style.
Honestly, you'd save yourselves a lot of headaches if you just engaged with Fujino's writing on its own terms rather than constantly cross-examining it against canon.
All you need to know is that the main SAO story happened, but everything after that diverges completely—Fujino’s word is law here.
A canon Asuna would never get involved with someone like Inoda. You’ve already accepted a non-canon Asuna, yet nitpick about background settings? That’s putting the cart before the horse.
What’s making the plot messy and full of ‘holes’ isn’t Fujino—it’s your insistence on comparing everything to the original.
Look at his Fate doujin work: it’s equally detached from its source material. That’s his style.
Honestly, you'd save yourselves a lot of headaches if you just engaged with Fujino's writing on its own terms rather than constantly cross-examining it against canon.
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OK! That is, the "suspension bridge effect", but not strong enough because Kirito didn't save Asuna in ALO? Well, maybe Asuna's attraction to Inoda could be explained if Inoda was a really kind and helpful guy. But Inoda uses direct manipulation against Asuna, and Asuna herself does not see it. And he hasn't seen it since the very beginning of the game. If it can be explained now, she likes Inoda, she's a little in love, so she ignores his flaws. But how to explain such blindness towards a man she has known for very little time and whom she accused of rape? It's like she has some kind of "Stockholm syndrome" (which, by the way, explained quite a lot of her stupid actions.) It would be understandable if Inoda was a manipulation genius, but no, his manipulations are pretty obvious, and Asuna, as a "smart" girl, should have seen it. Again, NTR logic - Asuna is initially quite hypocritical and blunt, during arousal she is not able to think adequately at all. She is blind to Inoda's actions and very biased towards Kirito's actions.
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Can someone provide the folder containing all the hidden cgs of part 1 which are not in its gallery. I know there are many but can't see them cuz my game keeps crashing.
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To prevent this from happening, you need to make games in your original universe, rather than using someone else's setting, other people's characters, and elements of someone else's canon. I even think it would be less thought-provoking if Fujino's game started at the beginning of SAO, in Aincrad. But Fujino used several arches of the canon (with some modifications) as a background for their creation, and it is natural that in this case people begin to compare and look for inconsistencies. It will not be possible to completely abstract them.
Why are you so fixated on that one ALO moment where Kirito rescues Asuna? Their relationship was forged in SAO—when she saved him from a murderer, and later when he saved her during the final boss fight. That’s more than enough to cement their bond. Even if the ALO arc never happened, it might weaken Kirito’s character arc, but it doesn’t invalidate their love.
People operate on double—even multiple—standards. If I accidentally step on my brother’s foot at home, we’ll probably laugh it off. But if it happens on a crowded bus? I’d be apologizing profusely. Asuna sees Inoda as a weakling (albeit an unstable one), while Kirito is her partner. It’s only natural she holds Kirito to a higher standard while expecting nothing from Inoda. I’ve seen plenty of real-life examples like this.
Finally, let’s not forget—Inoda is the actual protagonist of this story. Is his ‘super luck’ really any stranger than Batman surviving a 10,000-meter fall, massive explosions, or a full-force punch from Darkseid? Remember, he’s just a ‘regular guy’ in a bat costume!
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So you wrote it yourself earlier:
She met Inoda not "instead" of ALO. It happened much later, after her father had saved her. Based on these words, Kirito didn't attach Asuna to himself strongly enough, and even as Kirito's fiancee, it's quite normal for her to interact sexually with another man whom she barely knows? This just confirms that Asuna in Fujino's game is a lustful, silly, hypocritical whore. All according to the most cliched precepts of NTR.
Yes! Yes! Just an ordinary multi-billionaire with the genius mind of a detective who knows 127 types of martial arts. Everyone would be so ordinary. Just like Inoda, he has heaven-shattering luck and excellent acting skills - no one notices that he is a sadist and a psychopath.
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I think everyone accepts Fujino's game setting and characters had to diverge from the canon in order for this to happen. But the problem now is Fujino's changes contradict themselves or require more explanation to make sense.
One big example is the since the Seed was never publicized, other VR worlds like GGO should not exist. As you said, an easy explanation would be Fujino's GGO was developed without the Seed but needing a head canon to begin with is the problem. Now in the Q&A Fujino saying the Fairy Dance and Phantom Bullet arcs did not happen contradicts what we seen so far like the Oberon molesting Titania scenes. Again easy explanations could be found but needing the reader to come up with their own explanation is a mistake IMO.
This is also my opinion but Fujino's habit of putting details in easily missing or forgettable situations might causing him to forget the details. If most people don't pay attention to details then it is not a problem but when he starts needing to explain things it will cause issue for those who remember.
I try not to put Fujino to an impossible standard. He is already a FAR better fanfiction writer than most fanfictions I read. But maybe because the long time he was been writing this story, you can see his story points coming in conflict with each other. It is a legitimate criticism if the his own story beats does not make sense and needs clarification. Also while Fujino being mostly radio silent is good for his mental health, it does not help this issue.
The purpose of my previous explanations was to address your concerns about the differences between Fujino's story and the original canon.
My stance remains this: while the ALO arc in the original strengthened Kirito and Asuna's relationship, making it seemingly unbreakable.But without the ALO arc, there's zero inconsistency in them being a devoted couple before encountering Inoda in NTR Online's timeline.
And I still believe there's little point in obsessing over canon/doujin discrepancies.
To put it simply: you raised questions, and I answered them—but frankly, I don’t think those questions needed to be asked in the first place.
I mean, the easiest answer is that it DIDN'T happen in this timeline because Asuna's dad saved Asuna before Agil could do it XD? Easy to forget if you're not invested/rememeber well Canon SAO, but Asuna was trapped for over 2 months by Sugou before Kirito even got information of where she was and went to save her, so it's perfectly possible Funino's version of her dad just saved her before that could happen :O (Granted this still creates the plot-hole of Suguha seemingly not having really played ALO before FOG because she had been playing the game for like a year when Kazuto got released from SAO, but as I said, plot-holes all aroundIn the canon, Agil showed Kirito a blurry screenshot in which Kirito recognized Asuna in a cage.(just a few pixels, but in this game Kirito can't recognize Asuna with a thin black stripe across her eyes. Ruthless bitch - NTR
)I mean, even back in Part 1, if you knew your SAO well enough you COULD tell this was 'somehow after the Fairy Dance Arc but without the actual arc having happened', Fujino only added extra-clarification now because of a lot of people, probably those who didn't even clearly remember canon tbh, asking about it most likely. But yeah, the more Fujino tries to make his plot more 'complex' and place it better compared to Canon and explain every single canon thing away, unlike how he just handwaved them in Part 1, the dumber and worse the plot gets and the more holes appear on it XP Like with how he made one of the council members to be Silica's dad just to explain why she wasn't appearing in this game just makes it WAY worse because it didn't explain and just made worse the plot-holes of Kirito never once bringing her up or wondering why she wasn't in the SAO survivors school, or even trying to contact her after all that time, it ironically was better when everyone was just acting like she didn't exist and nobody in the game clarifiedIt was so much better back in Part 1 when it was vague around what time in SAO timeline the game could be set. It was mostly us having fun guessing. Then in Part 2 Fujino added details to separate his game from the canon like Asuna's father saving her and things got confusing. A lot of people got interested in the differences so he had to make this Q&A and things got even more confusing.
LMAO, if he wanted to be given reason he should NOT have used the motherfucking BATMAN, of all things, as an example, especially just calling him "a guy in a bat costume" comparing with Inoda being "an ugly fat lucky dude blessed by a horny half-naked Goddess" XD
I get your point.
But if we're accepting Fujino's new universe, we should go all in. Where does 'GGO exists because of SEED' even come from? The original canon. But what if we forget that?
In Fujino's world, what if companies developed parallel tech—like Apple's iOS, Google's Android, Microsoft's Windows Phone (does that even still exist?).
Would that really break the story?
P.S. I rewatched the latest meeting scene and noticed Fujino cut GGO entirely. Maybe he partially agreed with you.
But in my opinion, an obsession with tiny 'plot holes' is like missing the forest for the trees.
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NTR Logic: Inoda rapes Asuna but she blames Kirito
NTR Logic: Asuna is completely blind to what Inoda does and does not recognize Kirito's misunderstanding (like what happened in the brothel), in short Asuna is spineless, Asuna is blind even to herself, she doesn't realize what she's doing. Asuna manages to defeat the bosses but can't slap Inoda for what he's doing to her.
People are angry with Kirito because he doesn't notice and doesn't save her, but then why should he save her if Asuna gives Inoda carte blanche, she leaves herself completely up to him, so Asuna doesn't seem to want to be saved
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Contractions and plot holes does not break the story but it does break the immersion, at least partially, if I have to come up a reason for it.
Take the obsession with plot holes as a sign that people are invested in Fujino's story instead them nip picking Fujino. If no one cared then they would just fap and go!
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Seems you missed my Batman analogy’s point. That ‘he’s just a guy in a bat costume’ isn’t my take—it’s literally Justice League banter (Hal Jordan? Or was it Aquaman? Doesn’t matter). The core idea is: Bruce Wayne is human. A multi-billionaire detective genius who knows 127 martial arts still shouldn’t survive a casual punch from Darkseid. And yet, he’s done it multiple times. Yet in some stories he’s practically immortal. Why? Because writers said so. As long as it’s internally consistent—logical within its own story, sequels, and cross-media—it works. Invincible Superman trembles before tiny kryptonite. Phoenix Force Jean Grey gets stabbed by claws. Arthas defeated demonic Illidan. Yes, these things just happen. And why could canon Kirito break the system to get Dual Wielding in SAO? Why did he defeat Heathcliff, the literal game admin? Why did he and Asuna just happen to stumble upon Yui? Baby, why?
As for Inoda—so he’s got super luck and super dick. What’s the issue?
As for Inoda—so he’s got super luck and super dick. What’s the issue?
He did mention the 1st one wasn't what people wanted to know, but Fujino probably might have seen people in general mentioning things relating to canon, and wanted to clarify some of it?That's what people want to know?
Also I think they intend to answer some questions per report so no need to answer everything? I don't know?
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Okay so saying 'Fairy Dance' never happen is just saying 'Kirito never went to ALO', which is fine. It means Asuna still ended up as Sugou's captive there, just that her father had her released somehow, but Sugou still went to jail from some reason. These are the scenes I mean.
So what's going on here? I'll have to replay the games to remind myself of the context.
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So what's going on here? I'll have to replay the games to remind myself of the context.
Since I already saw the end result, I'm not really interested or excited to see the build up. I don't think the pay off was good enough that a build up would make me care more about the scene/events. However I think for other people who haven't seen the scene, they'll probably have a slightly better experience.hey he listened and will add some CG's before the fuck part