RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [Part 2 v0.80] [Fujino]

[darkbatVX]

So you wrote it yourself earlier:

She met Inoda not "instead" of ALO. It happened much later, after her father had saved her. Based on these words, Kirito didn't attach Asuna to himself strongly enough, and even as Kirito's fiancee, it's quite normal for her to interact sexually with another man whom she barely knows? This just confirms that Asuna in Fujino's game is a lustful, silly, hypocritical whore. All according to the most cliched precepts of NTR.

Yes! Yes! Just an ordinary multi-billionaire with the genius mind of a detective who knows 127 types of martial arts. Everyone would be so ordinary. Just like Inoda, he has heaven-shattering luck and excellent acting skills - no one notices that he is a sadist and a psychopath.

The purpose of my previous explanations was to address your concerns about the differences between Fujino's story and the original canon.
My stance remains this: while the ALO arc in the original strengthened Kirito and Asuna's relationship, making it seemingly unbreakable.But without the ALO arc, there's zero inconsistency in them being a devoted couple before encountering Inoda in NTR Online's timeline.
And I still believe there's little point in obsessing over canon/doujin discrepancies.

To put it simply: you raised questions, and I answered them—but frankly, I don’t think those questions needed to be asked in the first place.

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

In the canon, Agil showed Kirito a blurry screenshot in which Kirito recognized Asuna in a cage.(just a few pixels, but in this game Kirito can't recognize Asuna with a thin black stripe across her eyes. Ruthless bitch - NTR ). But in the game, Fujino Agil apparently did not do this. And then the question is why? Agil is in the game and he looks after Kirito, but he doesn't help directly. And Agil knows about Asuna's infidelities and does nothing. I can only assume that this was the original idea for the main plot, to separate Asuna and Kirito. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a twist at the end where we, as players, find out that Asuna fell into Sugo's clutches because of the actions of Aguila, Sinon, or something similar.

I mean, the easiest answer is that it DIDN'T happen in this timeline because Asuna's dad saved Asuna before Agil could do it XD? Easy to forget if you're not invested/rememeber well Canon SAO, but Asuna was trapped for over 2 months by Sugou before Kirito even got information of where she was and went to save her, so it's perfectly possible Funino's version of her dad just saved her before that could happen :O (Granted this still creates the plot-hole of Suguha seemingly not having really played ALO before FOG because she had been playing the game for like a year when Kazuto got released from SAO, but as I said, plot-holes all around )

It was so much better back in Part 1 when it was vague around what time in SAO timeline the game could be set. It was mostly us having fun guessing. Then in Part 2 Fujino added details to separate his game from the canon like Asuna's father saving her and things got confusing. A lot of people got interested in the differences so he had to make this Q&A and things got even more confusing.

I mean, even back in Part 1, if you knew your SAO well enough you COULD tell this was 'somehow after the Fairy Dance Arc but without the actual arc having happened', Fujino only added extra-clarification now because of a lot of people, probably those who didn't even clearly remember canon tbh, asking about it most likely. But yeah, the more Fujino tries to make his plot more 'complex' and place it better compared to Canon and explain every single canon thing away, unlike how he just handwaved them in Part 1, the dumber and worse the plot gets and the more holes appear on it XP Like with how he made one of the council members to be Silica's dad just to explain why she wasn't appearing in this game just makes it WAY worse because it didn't explain and just made worse the plot-holes of Kirito never once bringing her up or wondering why she wasn't in the SAO survivors school, or even trying to contact her after all that time, it ironically was better when everyone was just acting like she didn't exist and nobody in the game clarified

Yes! Yes! Just an ordinary multi-billionaire with the genius mind of a detective who knows 127 types of martial arts. Everyone would be so ordinary. Just like Inoda, he has heaven-shattering luck and excellent acting skills - no one notices that he is a sadist and a psychopath.

LMAO, if he wanted to be given reason he should NOT have used the motherfucking BATMAN, of all things, as an example, especially just calling him "a guy in a bat costume" comparing with Inoda being "an ugly fat lucky dude blessed by a horny half-naked Goddess" XD

 

[darkbatVX]

I think everyone accepts Fujino's game setting and characters had to diverge from the canon in order for this to happen. But the problem now is Fujino's changes contradict themselves or require more explanation to make sense.

One big example is the since the Seed was never publicized, other VR worlds like GGO should not exist. As you said, an easy explanation would be Fujino's GGO was developed without the Seed but needing a head canon to begin with is the problem. Now in the Q&A Fujino saying the Fairy Dance and Phantom Bullet arcs did not happen contradicts what we seen so far like the Oberon molesting Titania scenes. Again easy explanations could be found but needing the reader to come up with their own explanation is a mistake IMO.

This is also my opinion but Fujino's habit of putting details in easily missing or forgettable situations might causing him to forget the details. If most people don't pay attention to details then it is not a problem but when he starts needing to explain things it will cause issue for those who remember.

I try not to put Fujino to an impossible standard. He is already a FAR better fanfiction writer than most fanfictions I read. But maybe because the long time he was been writing this story, you can see his story points coming in conflict with each other. It is a legitimate criticism if the his own story beats does not make sense and needs clarification. Also while Fujino being mostly radio silent is good for his mental health, it does not help this issue.

I get your point.

But if we're accepting Fujino's new universe, we should go all in. Where does 'GGO exists because of SEED' even come from? The original canon. But what if we forget that?
In Fujino's world, what if companies developed parallel tech—like Apple's iOS, Google's Android, Microsoft's Windows Phone (does that even still exist?).
Would that really break the story?

P.S. I rewatched the latest meeting scene and noticed Fujino cut GGO entirely. Maybe he partially agreed with you.
But in my opinion, an obsession with tiny 'plot holes' is like missing the forest for the trees.

 

[Aniky Light]

OK! That is, the "suspension bridge effect", but not strong enough because Kirito didn't save Asuna in ALO? Well, maybe Asuna's attraction to Inoda could be explained if Inoda was a really kind and helpful guy. But Inoda uses direct manipulation against Asuna, and Asuna herself does not see it. And he hasn't seen it since the very beginning of the game. If it can be explained now, she likes Inoda, she's a little in love, so she ignores his flaws. But how to explain such blindness towards a man she has known for very little time and whom she accused of rape? It's like she has some kind of "Stockholm syndrome" (which, by the way, explained quite a lot of her stupid actions.) It would be understandable if Inoda was a manipulation genius, but no, his manipulations are pretty obvious, and Asuna, as a "smart" girl, should have seen it. Again, NTR logic - Asuna is initially quite hypocritical and blunt, during arousal she is not able to think adequately at all. She is blind to Inoda's actions and very biased towards Kirito's actions.

NTR Logic: Inoda rapes Asuna but she blames Kirito
NTR Logic: Asuna is completely blind to what Inoda does and does not recognize Kirito's misunderstanding (like what happened in the brothel), in short Asuna is spineless, Asuna is blind even to herself, she doesn't realize what she's doing. Asuna manages to defeat the bosses but can't slap Inoda for what he's doing to her.
People are angry with Kirito because he doesn't notice and doesn't save her, but then why should he save her if Asuna gives Inoda carte blanche, she leaves herself completely up to him, so Asuna doesn't seem to want to be saved

 

[kinglionheart]

I get your point.

But if we're accepting Fujino's new universe, we should go all in. Where does 'GGO exists because of SEED' even come from? The original canon. But what if we forget that?
In Fujino's world, what if companies developed parallel tech—like Apple's iOS, Google's Android, Microsoft's Windows Phone (does that even still exist?).
Would that really break the story?

P.S. I rewatched the latest meeting scene and noticed Fujino cut GGO entirely. Maybe he partially agreed with you.
But in my opinion, an obsession with tiny 'plot holes' is like missing the forest for the trees.

Contractions and plot holes does not break the story but it does break the immersion, at least partially, if I have to come up a reason for it.

Take the obsession with plot holes as a sign that people are invested in Fujino's story instead them nip picking Fujino. If no one cared then they would just fap and go!

 

[darkbatVX]

Seems you missed my Batman analogy’s point. That ‘he’s just a guy in a bat costume’ isn’t my take—it’s literally Justice League banter (Hal Jordan? Or was it Aquaman? Doesn’t matter). The core idea is: Bruce Wayne is human. A multi-billionaire detective genius who knows 127 martial arts still shouldn’t survive a casual punch from Darkseid. And yet, he’s done it multiple times. Yet in some stories he’s practically immortal. Why? Because writers said so. As long as it’s internally consistent—logical within its own story, sequels, and cross-media—it works. Invincible Superman trembles before tiny kryptonite. Phoenix Force Jean Grey gets stabbed by claws. Arthas defeated demonic Illidan. Yes, these things just happen. And why could canon Kirito break the system to get Dual Wielding in SAO? Why did he defeat Heathcliff, the literal game admin? Why did he and Asuna just happen to stumble upon Yui? Baby, why?

As for Inoda—so he’s got super luck and super dick. What’s the issue?

 

[gaka200]

That's what people want to know?

He did mention the 1st one wasn't what people wanted to know, but Fujino probably might have seen people in general mentioning things relating to canon, and wanted to clarify some of it?

Also I think they intend to answer some questions per report so no need to answer everything? I don't know?

 

[Queen_Nothing]

Okay so saying 'Fairy Dance' never happen is just saying 'Kirito never went to ALO', which is fine. It means Asuna still ended up as Sugou's captive there, just that her father had her released somehow, but Sugou still went to jail from some reason. These are the scenes I mean.

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So what's going on here? I'll have to replay the games to remind myself of the context.

 

[gaka200]

hey he listened and will add some CG's before the fuck part it's a win for us

Since I already saw the end result, I'm not really interested or excited to see the build up. I don't think the pay off was good enough that a build up would make me care more about the scene/events. However I think for other people who haven't seen the scene, they'll probably have a slightly better experience.

 

[kinglionheart]

Okay so saying 'Fairy Dance' never happen is just saying 'Kirito never went to ALO', which is fine. It means Asuna still ended up as Sugou's captive there, just that her father had her released somehow, but Sugou still went to jail from some reason. These are the scenes I mean.

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So what's going on here? I'll have to replay the games to remind myself of the context.

Part 1 was a nightmare of Kirito's so it did not happen. Part 2's was a recording the Council had so it did happen.

 

[darkbatVX]

NTR Logic: Inoda rapes Asuna but she blames Kirito
NTR Logic: Asuna is completely blind to what Inoda does and does not recognize Kirito's misunderstanding (like what happened in the brothel), in short Asuna is spineless, Asuna is blind even to herself, she doesn't realize what she's doing. Asuna manages to defeat the bosses but can't slap Inoda for what he's doing to her
people are angry with Kirito because he doesn't notice and doesn't save her, but then why should he save her if Asuna gives Inoda carte blanche, she leaves herself completely up to him, so Asuna doesn't seem to want to be saved

I agree with you. That last point of yours nails one of my core arguments— Asuna herself is complicit too.
To me, this doesn’t diminish Asuna’s appeal at all. I love morally ambiguous women. Just like Lupin III is hopelessly obsessed with Fujiko.

 

[mos555]

The purpose of my previous explanations was to address your concerns about the differences between Fujino's story and the original canon.
My stance remains this: while the ALO arc in the original strengthened Kirito and Asuna's relationship, making it seemingly unbreakable.But without the ALO arc, there's zero inconsistency in them being a devoted couple before encountering Inoda in NTR Online's timeline.
And I still believe there's little point in obsessing over canon/doujin discrepancies.

To put it simply: you raised questions, and I answered them—but frankly, I don’t think those questions needed to be asked in the first place.

I'm not writing about ALO in general. I'm writing all this based on what you wrote earlier.

Compared to that, Fujino's Asuna actually feels like a real person with principles and boundaries.

It's just that the discussion has shifted to the fact that Asuna allegedly has a reason for cheating in the form of how you said that Kirito did not fully consolidate Asuna's love. But Fujino's game begins with the fact that Asuna's status says "my dearest man, my future husband, we are going to America" and how inconsistent and stupid her actions look from this.
Asuna looks like a silly 14-year-old girl in this game:
"Asuna, show me your boobs!"
"What are you? I have a boyfriend!"
"I'm such a poor wretch, I've never seen boobs."
"Oh well, okay then. Look at this!"

"Asuna, help me massage my thighs."
"OK"
Kirito comes in, displeased. Asuna:
"How dare you not trust me? I'm the most loyal girl in the world!"
In a second:
"Asuna jerk me off. I'm suffering so much, we're friends."
"Ahhh, a friendly jerk off! Of course!"

"Oh, you raped me!"
"But I like you so much, I couldn't resist. Was it friendly?"
"Friendly rape? Well good. I forgive you, we're friends again, but don't bother me like that anymore."

"What if you give me a sexual favor every week for no reason? Just as a friend, because I'm so unhappy."
"Well, since we're friends, then fine"
A whisper in Asuna's head:
"You have a fiance, what are you doing?"
"Me? Nothing! It's all friendly, it's a special social help for people who don't have sex."

And this kind of crap goes on the whole game. I wrote that Fujino chose the stupidest NTR persona pattern possible. Asuna is cheating for no reason. Usually in games, the authors come up with something - the seal of lust, illness, blackmail (even Inoda and Kyoko's sex is better thought out than Asuna's betrayal), money debts. And the only reason Asuna has is that she is a stupid little bimbo in terms of her level of development.

Where is the "real person with principles and boundaries" in all of this? All of Asuna's principles and boundaries end where Inoda's desires are. And this has been going on since the beginning of the game in the first part, and continues to this day. However, this is no longer relevant, because Inoda has finally crushed Asuna's brain.

 

[Aniky Light]

Okay so saying 'Fairy Dance' never happen is just saying 'Kirito never went to ALO', which is fine. It means Asuna still ended up as Sugou's captive there, just that her father had her released somehow, but Sugou still went to jail from some reason. These are the scenes I mean.

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So what's going on here? I'll have to replay the games to remind myself of the context.

since when does Oberon wear a thong and since when are there cell phones in the game? xD

 

[ASDZXCQWER1321]

Seems you missed my Batman analogy’s point. That ‘he’s just a guy in a bat costume’ isn’t my take—it’s literally Justice League banter (Hal Jordan? Or was it Aquaman? Doesn’t matter). The core idea is: Bruce Wayne is human. A multi-billionaire detective genius who knows 127 martial arts still shouldn’t survive a casual punch from Darkseid. And yet, he’s done it multiple times. Yet in some stories he’s practically immortal. Why? Because writers said so. As long as it’s internally consistent—logical within its own story, sequels, and cross-media—it works. Invincible Superman trembles before tiny kryptonite. Phoenix Force Jean Grey gets stabbed by claws. Arthas defeated demonic Illidan. Yes, these things just happen. And why could canon Kirito break the system to get Dual Wielding in SAO? Why did he defeat Heathcliff, the literal game admin? Why did he and Asuna just happen to stumble upon Yui? Baby, why?

As for Inoda—so he’s got super luck and super dick. What’s the issue?

I don't think anyone has a problem. It's just that a part of the community thinks that the game is already in its final phase, and the development of Asuna Inoda's relationship is already over, and it can be concluded that this storyline of the game is extremely weak and mediocre (just an ordinary slut heroine, who, by Fujino's will, is more like skin than some kind of woman with character) for a game of quite a long duration.
the whole game starting from part 1 literally we go along the same path and the same dialogues.
Asuna: No, Inoda we will not do this
Inoda: WELL PLEASE I will be good

 

[mos555]

since when does Oberon wear a thong and since when are there cell phones in the game? xD

This is what is called the Fujino canon. Perhaps Oberon always wears a thong, even in the last scene where Kirito met him at the Council brothel.

 

[gaka200]

In regards to the progress update, I'm kind of neutral and don't really care rofl. I am overall less interested in the reports since there's not much to discuss. The Q&As are cool, though I don't expect to get much out of them since I'm not heavily invested in the things I'm going to guess Fujino will answer. Since my approach to the game overall was it being more parody focused, and having a loose connection and/or resemblance to SAO, I could more or less ignore a lot of issues that usually get brought up.

The only thing that really seemed to matter to me was that Asuna just needed to resist better than a typical NTR heroine and that was kind of good enough for me. Though I do think the soft reset dragged on the story too much. If anyone remembers me talking about it, it has less to do with the soft reset and more the Lustful Stormy Night being the problem. That scene happens too soon for how things were progressing.

Anyways we got another 6 weeks to goooooo. So I go back to sleep, since there's not much relevant stuff to talk about.

 

[Aniky Light]

This is what is called the Fujino canon. Perhaps Oberon always wears a thong, even in the last scene where Kirito met him at the Council brothel.

Oberon seems like a faggot to me xD

 

[mos555]

In regards to the progress update, I'm kind of neutral and don't really care rofl. I am overall less interested in the reports since there's not much to discuss. The Q&As are cool, though I don't expect to get much out of them since I'm not heavily invested in the things I'm going to guess Fujino will answer. Since my approach to the game overall was it being more parody focused, and having a loose connection and/or resemblance to SAO, I could more or less ignore a lot of issues that usually get brought up.

The only thing that really seemed to matter to me was that Asuna just needed to resist better than a typical NTR heroine and that was kind of good enough for me. Though I do think the soft reset dragged on the story too much. If anyone remembers me talking about it, it has less to do with the soft reset and more the Lustful Stormy Night being the problem. That scene happens too soon for how things were progressing.

Anyways we got another 6 weeks to goooooo. So I go back to sleep, since there's not much relevant stuff to talk about.

Good dreams, buddy. We are waiting for you in 6 weeks at first light, at dawn, from the east!

 

[Aniky Light]

more than a ntr game, it seems more like a stupid simulator, as if the game was based on making characters as stupid as possible

 

[mos555]

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Questo è ciò che viene chiamato il canone Fujino. Forse Oberon indossa sempre un perizoma, anche nell'ultima scena in cui Kirito lo incontra al bordello del Consiglio.
[/CITAZIONE]
Oberon seems like a faggot to me xD

Maybe he wants Kirito after all, not Asuna! And he wanted Asuna to leave Kirito, but Asuna's father prevented her.

What a good theory.

In general, his plan will work one way or another, but Sinon will not allow Kirito to be turned into a trap for Sugo.