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I agree that Rito is to much of wuss to ever commit, but I'm willing to give Ichika a small pass on the grounds that he is justifiably terrified of every girl in his "harem" to ever make a choice. In fact I'm like 80% that in a IS ntr game Ichika would actively help the other guy get with any girl that wasn't Houki. Because that would mean one less person trying to kill him when he finally makes his choice.
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there’d be two possibilities while asuna gives inoda a rimjob: she could either give him a boobjob or a handjob. i hope she gives him both xP
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I actually like rimjobs, what I love about NTR is the corruption and the slow fall of a women into depravity and this game has been totally about that. Asuna having those thoughts and doing that to herself is very hot to me. Idc if the guy is ugly or a model because the guy is not important, if he's ugly then that makes her even more morally wrong and I love that. 
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Hey guys does someone know some fan cg with inoda and asuna with the same artwork? Someone posted it before can't find it anymore
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Was playing a previous work of Fujino, "Sakura's Chapter" is there no continuation of that story?
Funny thing, that actually is the SECOND chapter of that particular Fujino storyline, the first game before that one is Scathatch chapter which shows you how the FGO MC got there and in Shirou's house to begin with.
Also, no, sadly Fujino stopped doing that one and did SAO instead, but he did say a while back he wanted to go back and finish his Fate games after being done with SAO.
As someone who only stayed reading SAO BECAUSE of the FD arc (As it was Suguha's beautiful character arc and feelings what made me keep going despite how shafted she got AND kept going after that...has anyone realized she's not only the single heroine that had to SHARE her own arc's focus with Asuna, but also wasn't even present for the climax of said arc XD?), I can't say I agree with that, and also think people really overfocus on one aspect and completely overlooks everything else, especially because Sugu (As much as someone who only consumes this NTR game as SAO content can forget
) is specifically written AGAINST the usual stupid cliche 'Incest' Tropes most harem series used, she legit suffers from her feelings and does her best to get over them and even comfort her Onii-chan when he's completely broken so he can keep going after the one he loves despite how much is breaking her own heart to do so, because for her his happiness was more important than her own...and her only reward is getting her heart broken TWICE, and yet she still chooses to keep supporting his happiness over her own XPAs for Kirito being 'Too OP and the girls fall for him', LMAO, this has always been the shittiest excuse ever for hate against his characters when literally DOZENS of other similar ones that were a million times worse in that aspect came out in the years after SAO's first season yet it was only Kirito and SAO who even remotely stayed in the spotlight of the 'haters' (Who are a vocal minority anyway), it was always SAO being so popular what triggered most. Especially when LMAO, Kirito literally is suffering brutal emotional blows and trauma every single arc almost like his author got off on it, especially in Alicization XD
drag0nf6y
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true, but people just love to hate on popular things. most of their opinions aren’t even their own, it’s always shaped by someone else’s perspective. a lot of big anitubers/elitists used to hate on sao just for the culture back in the day, and that made it easy for everyone to jump on the bandwagon. theanimeman also played a big part, he’d trash talk sao every time he got the chance xD. there's a comment i found on mal, i think it clears it all:Funny thing, that actually is the SECOND chapter of that particular Fujino storyline, the first game before that one is Scathatch chapter which shows you how the FGO MC got there and in Shirou's house to begin with.
Also, no, sadly Fujino stopped doing that one and did SAO instead, but he did say a while back he wanted to go back and finish his Fate games after being done with SAO.
As someone who only stayed reading SAO BECAUSE of the FD arc (As it was Suguha's beautiful character arc and feelings what made me keep going despite how shafted she got AND kept going after that...has anyone realized she's not only the single heroine that had to SHARE her own arc's focus with Asuna, but also wasn't even present for the climax of said arc XD?), I can't say I agree with that, and also think people really overfocus on one aspect and completely overlooks everything else, especially because Sugu (As much as someone who only consumes this NTR game as SAO content can forget
As for Kirito being 'Too OP and the girls fall for him', LMAO, this has always been the shittiest excuse ever for hate against his characters when literally DOZENS of other similar ones that were a million times worse in that aspect came out in the years after SAO's first season yet it was only Kirito and SAO who even remotely stayed in the spotlight of the 'haters' (Who are a vocal minority anyway), it was always SAO being so popular what triggered most. Especially when LMAO, Kirito literally is suffering brutal emotional blows and trauma every single arc almost like his author got off on it, especially in Alicization XD
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Yeah, a lot of people like Onepunchman and Saitama, even though he became cool by basically just training every day, but a lot of people hate Kirito for being cool, even though for a 19-year-old guy, he went through too many life-and-death situations before becoming what he became. And the support of many friends, do not forget about it. Double standards.
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Kirito being a cuck is also because he's way too overconfident everytime and need to be the center of the universe. That and the fact that he gets the girl without doing much makes the relations superficial. He symbolizes a frail looking man who did grow power in game and get arrogant about it, but could lose them at any moment and go back to his natural weak form. The confidence he has is a facade that could break and any real man look strong when he's not.
"In the real world, Kirito also tends to wear dark clothes. Rather thin and reserved, he feels weak in reality, this is due to the fact that he does not have many friends and entourage, due to his deep attraction to computers. In game, Kirito can be presumptuous and think he can do things that others cannot.".
His weaknesses are what make him a great cuck potential. It's really easy to think about potential scenarios including him, the girls and the male characters. if they are not already there canonically
"In the real world, Kirito also tends to wear dark clothes. Rather thin and reserved, he feels weak in reality, this is due to the fact that he does not have many friends and entourage, due to his deep attraction to computers. In game, Kirito can be presumptuous and think he can do things that others cannot.".
His weaknesses are what make him a great cuck potential. It's really easy to think about potential scenarios including him, the girls and the male characters. if they are not already there canonically
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drag0nf6y
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what? he was just a loner who used to play games to escape reality until he met asuna in game. let's not start this again, since i can see you haven't watched the show except seeing some images from the net or forming your opinion based on this game
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Where is the part that goes against what you're saying ?
I'm just saying that Kirito always been an easy target for cuck scenarios because there's stuff in the anime that feeds it and his personnality and looks is a great root to create them. Even if you think that it's unfair it's always been the case before this game and will be after.
I'm just saying that Kirito always been an easy target for cuck scenarios because there's stuff in the anime that feeds it and his personnality and looks is a great root to create them. Even if you think that it's unfair it's always been the case before this game and will be after.
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So true SAO was not the first or the last story about a teen trapped in another world, gains overpowered abilities, and got a lot of women. I still think Familiar of Zero did it first in that modern context but no one ever talks about it.
Really, Kirito's only sin was SAO became so popular. It released just at the right time and became a lot of people's gateway anime. But unfortunately it was the beginning of anime studio prioritizing quantity over quality. SO MANY lazy copycat animes with overpowered protagonist with harems came over like weed came afterwards. A lot of them with slave harem members which I am glad SAO never did. (Thank Shield Hero for that trope!) Kirito became the poster boy of the trashy overpowered MC anime genre. No one will remember how much he grows and suffers, all everyone remembers are the women he got through his growth and suffering! I guess it helps that he doesn't show to suffer any lasting effects of those trauma. The story only reminding us he still have those traumas at critical character development moments.
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isn't it always the case with any strong fictional protagonist who has a beautiful waifu and is loved by many? that's why the ntr parodies turn out so good. there's a reason why naruto, my dress-up darling, and bleach have a lot of ntr parodies (because the bond in canon is strong)
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Well, Naofumi (Shield Hero) can be justified from some side, after all, the first thing they do to him in another world is betray him. Problems with trust, psychological dependence on control. I think in Fujino's game, if Kirito finds out about Asuna's betrayal, it will affect the rest of his life. I have no doubt that he will look at all his future companions through the prism of Asuna's betrayal. That is, he will never trust them completely. He won't even trust Suguha completely.So true SAO was not the first or the last story about a teen trapped in another world, gains overpowered abilities, and got a lot of women. I still think Familiar of Zero did it first in that modern context but no one ever talks about it.
Really, Kirito's only sin was SAO became so popular. It released just at the right time and became a lot of people's gateway anime. But unfortunately it was the beginning of anime studio prioritizing quantity over quality. SO MANY lazy copycat animes with overpowered protagonist with harems came over like weed came afterwards. A lot of them with slave harem members which I am glad SAO never did. (Thank Shield Hero for that trope!) Kirito became the poster boy of the trashy overpowered MC anime genre. No one will remember how much he grows and suffers, all everyone remembers are the women he got through his growth and suffering! I guess it helps that he doesn't show to suffer any lasting effects of those trauma. The story only reminding us he still have those traumas at critical character development moments.
As for Kirito, I think it's worth making allowances for
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When the series first started, Kirito seemed like a fresh and cool hero, especially considering that there weren't many really interesting isekai back then. Now, mostly, people look at Kirito through over 9,000 of the same isekai (there are even some where MC are just copies of Kirito)
Yuuta Suo - Hyakuren no Haou to Seiyaku no Valkyria
Sato Pendragon - Death March kara Hajimaru Isekai Kyousoukyok
And there are many more examples. So, I'm afraid the whole point is that people don't perceive Kirito the way they did then. Kirito was then a 15-year-old boy who was on the verge of death and did everything he could, experiencing the deaths of others that remained on his shoulders. He helped people as much as he could, and it was no surprise that the girls saw him as a savior and a tough guy. And now they see him as just another isekai hero with a harem, of which there are hundreds. And many people mistake his detachment and problem in communicating with people for arrogance. In fact, only Asuna was able to pull him out of the shell he was surrounding himself with.(If you count it, the guild "Moonlight Black Cats" that died in full force, but, in fact, it only got worse.) A ruthless time.
Prety much, yeah, sad but true. And funny that you mention Zero no Tsukaima/Familiar of Zero, I remember when I first read the novels that I was struck for how REAL it felt, ironically: Unlike most modern takes on the Isekai Harem Tropes, Saito actually reacted A LOT like a 'real' teenage boy put in such a situation would be, which is why he ended up kissing and kinda groping basically all the main female cast at least once, and the 'harem' stuff actually had consequences, oftentimes very serious ones, for the characters involved and their reactions (Like Louise running away period when he saw her and Henrietta kissing in the basement of the house), and had a lot of very serious stuff all around (Louise literally tried to kill herself when she thought Saito died during the war).........all of which was almost completely removed from the anime adaptation and titanically dumbed down and turned the fanservice and comedy up to eleven, for some reason, so rather than the interesting and weirdly realistic at times story that it originally was, ZnT became just one of the first slops of this particular genre XDSo true SAO was not the first or the last story about a teen trapped in another world, gains overpowered abilities, and got a lot of women. I still think Familiar of Zero did it first in that modern context but no one ever talks about it.
Really, Kirito's only sin was SAO became so popular. It released just at the right time and became a lot of people's gateway anime. But unfortunately it was the beginning of anime studio prioritizing quantity over quality. SO MANY lazy copycat animes with overpowered protagonist with harems came over like weed came afterwards. A lot of them with slave harem members which I am glad SAO never did. (Thank Shield Hero for that trope!) Kirito became the poster boy of the trashy overpowered MC anime genre. No one will remember how much he grows and suffers, all everyone remembers are the women he got through his growth and suffering! I guess it helps that he doesn't show to suffer any lasting effects of those trauma. The story only reminding us he still have those traumas at critical character development moments.
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For Naofumi, buying a slave, Raphtalia, was supposed to be seen as a act of desperation since he had no other way to fight. But everyone just saw "hot slave part animal walfu!" without thinking about the reasons and consequences of owning people. So now almost every isekai power fantasy story would have a slave harem member for no reason, thanks to Shield Hero.
ZnT did feel more real than most other isekai now. It was charting new territories for its time. The anime did remove a lot for darker elements for harem shenanigans. I don't remember if the anime dealt with this but Saito found out his summoning actually brainwashed him to be loyal to Louis. That was a good arc questioning whether his love was real or magical and how much he actually wanted to go home.
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Small correction, you're mixing fanon and canon there at the end (Don't blame you because like 90% of the fanfics get it wrong): The Familiar runes were NOT, in fact, brainwashing him to be loyal to Louise (Or to love her as others sometimes write), all that they were doing was supressing his desire to return home so he would be more likely to stay with the Master (Which also explained why he never tried running away at the beginning despite her awful treatment, on top of being lost in another world), but weren't affecting his feeelings or loyalty otherwise (He wouldn't have had so many arguments with Louise and 'cheated on her' so many times if the runes actually did that XD). Though both of them DID question their relationship and stuff because of it after knowing of the compulsion, but were satisfied that it was still 'real' after Tiffannia used her magic to erase that part from the familiar runes.
Though, despite how fanon got it completely wrong, you COULD actually argue that SOME level of 'brainwashing' did happen, even if not directly caused by the runes: While Louise is indeed a more complex character than the anime show, it's actually not unrealistic to think that without the compulsion Saito would have ran away or actually tried his luck to go all the way with another of the girls at first before actually getting to fully know her and falling for her, so while it's not the black/white stuff that a lot of fanfics try to portray, there IS indeed some morally gray aspect to the whole thing even if they never really think of it like that in the novel.
Also, just realized we may be deviating from the thread with this talk so we may have to end it, but back to the original point, yeah, ZnT's VNs felt a lot more realistic and deep than the countless slops that came afterwards when the Isekai Harem genre became popular, SAO is much of the same: The series and characters are WAY deeper than most haters or casual watchers think, and most stuff people says about Kirito whether they genuinely hate him or just say it's "understand why he's hated" are usually either completely wrong, offset by the hilariously massive amount of shit that happens to him every arc and that people acknowledge way less than the 'OP' and 'harem' stuff for some godforsaken reason, or victim of anime adaptation XP While not as bad as the example we gave with ZnT, SAO's anime actually losses A LOT compared to the novels: 95% of the descriptions, inner monologues, and character thoughts that give them and the setting/plots a lot more depth are completely removed from the anime because of adaptation limitations, and given the novels are almost always narrated in a mix of 3rd person and first person PoVs, it actually makes SAO and its cast feel a lot more shallow than it actually is even if nowhere near as bad as the haters make it seem :3