ZUBiDAM

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But its a fun argument to make 5 times a page. At the end of the day there are more fans against NTR then there ever will be for it.
that's one way to look at it.
but another way is that this game is in development for years, and there is like one teaser scene with marry and Darnell compared about a hundred normal route scenes.
 

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To be fair, the game did have some noticeable cuck energy early on, which I believe was later toned down or spaced out after criticism. So I don't doubt that the dev was at least toying with the idea of bringing that back for a while.

Making a full route for NTR in a game that's already slow to update doesn't sound like a great plan to me but to each their own I guess.
 

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To be fair, the game did have some noticeable cuck energy early on, which I believe was later toned down or spaced out after criticism. So I don't doubt that the dev was at least toying with the idea of bringing that back for a while.

Making a full route for NTR in a game that's already slow to update doesn't sound like a great plan to me but to each their own I guess.
I respect the way you give out your opinions on here!
 
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"play testing the game" suuure
I think the issue is what Uberpie classes as playtesting compared to what other people think it is. Uberpie's version of play testing is not just a straight forward bug hunt. If you look back through the the forum close to other updates you'll see lostraven often has to write bits during play testing. There are also times when Uberpie adds more artwork as well.

His version of play testing appears to be litteraly that, how the game plays. Play testers are seemingly asked not just to comment on bugs found but things like, did the script make sense, did plot development feel rushed, did it all feel "in character"

Based on this then, as i said earlier, artwork is often added, whole scenes have been added before and, consequently, and lostraven gets brought in to write more script.

So yeah, based on history i think it is in play testing and lostraven is being asked to write additional stuff or amend something that's already been written.
 
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I think the issue is what Uberpie classes as playtesting compared to what other people think it is. Uberpie's version of play testing is not just a straight forward bug hunt. If you look back through the the forum close to other updates you'll see lostraven often has to write bits during play testing. There are also times when Uberpie adds more artwork as well.

His version of play testing appears to be litteraly that, how the game plays. Play testers are seemingly asked not just to comment on bugs found but things like, did the script make sense, did plot development feel rushed, did it all feel "in character"

Based on this then, as i said earlier, artwork is often added, whole scenes have been added before and, consequently, and lostraven gets brought in to write more script.

So yeah, based on history i think it is in play testing and lostraven is being asked to write additional stuff or amend something that's already been written.
This is probably why this game unlike the rest of its genre has FAR fewer spelling errors, illogical sentences, fragmented sentences, and poor grammar -- Since its a visual novel id imagine Game Testing Phase may also function as a Scriptie (script supervisor) phase and may essentially be there to keep continuity and look for plot and grammar errors
 

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"play testing the game" suuure
This is nothing new in their playtesting phase.
This is probably why this game unlike the rest of its genre has FAR fewer spelling errors, illogical sentences, fragmented sentences, and poor grammar -- Since its a visual novel id imagine Game Testing Phase may also function as a Scriptie (script supervisor) phase and may essentially be there to keep continuity and look for plot and grammar errors
The game has a shitton of errors - spelling, grammar, etc. I think Uberpie doesn't do copy/paste of lostraven's text - but types it, and Uberpie being French then mistypes.

What has happened in the past is that as they do playtesting, Uberpie decides he wants to change a scene or add something and so he has lostraven revise or write more. For example - one month after an update was projected to be completed and in the middle of playtesting -- lostraven was tasked with writing more content #19,498 -- the update came out a month and a half later (over 2-3 months after the original Uberpie estimate -- which is one reason why they won't estimate release dates, again).
How close do you think they sre from a release by the way discussion in the discord are going -- if anyones watching
The development team doesn't discuss that in the discord. But it's farther than you hope.
 
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This is nothing new in their playtesting phase.

The game has a shitton of errors - spelling, grammar, etc. I think Uberpie doesn't do copy/paste of lostraven's text - but types it, and Uberpie being French then mistypes.

What has happened in the past is that as they do playtesting, Uberpie decides he wants to change a scene or add something and so he has lostraven revise or write more. For example - one month after an update was projected to be completed and in the middle of playtesting -- lostraven was tasked with writing more content #19,498 -- the update came out a month and a half later (over 2-3 months after the original Uberpie estimate -- which is one reason why they won't estimate release dates, again).

The development team doesn't discuss that in the discord. But it's farther than you hope.


Compare the mistakes in that game to OTHER in the genre -- not nearly as egregious
 

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This is what I'm thinking.
Yes I get the game had an NTR route planned, however they've strayed away from that for years and that now most likely made majority or their supporters anti-NTR.

Adding NTR content is one thing, but making a whole route this late for it into production?
It's just odd to do that when Uber's whole model behind TT over the course of its life cycle is giving what the majority want and again I doubt majority of his supporters are for this update.

I'll say this one more time, the best way to determine how many people actually are giving support for an NTR route is creating a poll after this update just available for patrons.
Personally I just don't doubt it being close of 50% of patrons being in favor of this.
Hyperbole and hyperbole with you, being a main route fan doesn't mean you're an ntr hater. It means one of two things, someone sensible that doesn't mind ntr fans getting what they want because they're not immature and have an ego, or someone insensible who is a hater of ntr and goes overboard. I'd like to think that most main route fans are sensible individuals.
It's obvious that the ratio of main route fans and ntr fans on the ntr side has increased quite considerably based on what I previously said that you ignored. So really, nothing odd.
 

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you can look at it this way:
even if the majority don't like ntr, not all(probably a small percentage) of them would go frenzy over having an ntr content even if avoidable.
but the ntr lovers might be even more than 20% of supporters, of course the majority might feel a bit discontent because part of the development is spent on ntr.
so if we use a metaphore, of limited rations for limited people, the most profitable way is to keep everyone alive.
what you are suggesting is to keep only feeding the majority and letting the (unkown percentage)rest die from hunger-by completely ignoring the ntr supporters instead of keeping everyone somewhat satisfied.
 

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This is what I'm thinking.
Yes I get the game had an NTR route planned, however they've strayed away from that for years and that now most likely made majority or their supporters anti-NTR.

Adding NTR content is one thing, but making a whole route this late for it into production?
It's just odd to do that when Uber's whole model behind TT over the course of its life cycle is giving what the majority want and again I doubt majority of his supporters are for this update.

I'll say this one more time, the best way to determine how many people actually are giving support for an NTR route is creating a poll after this update just available for patrons.
Personally I just don't doubt it being close of 50% of patrons being in favor of this.
Vanilla fans are almost surely the majority but that’s not the point of the update right now.

NTR has been planned since day 1. Uber himself has wanted there to be an NTR path since the beginning. In the beginning updates he was even mixing the paths leading up to the decision to split personalities or not (where the old NTR route and vanilla path would split). He hasn’t ever “strayed” from this idea but has more caved to the incessant whining from the very loud parts of the vanilla community. The very same that come here and can’t shut the fuck up about how much they hate NTR as if it being in a porn game has crippled them in real life.

The plan was then made to focus on the vanilla path to appease these people and almost surely the majority of patrons. He stated explicitly that the NTR updates would come much later and it’s been like 3-4 years of main plot updates. He hasn’t haphazardly thrown this in last minute, it’s been the plan for years. He’s also personally said he wants to do this route a couple times iirc. It’s not going anywhere and despite the whinging the vanilla guys can handle one NTR update.

On a personal note you seem to be part of the vanilla group, so you asking so incessantly to do a poll to basically take years of planned content out of the game puts you in a poor light. I don’t care about NTR but I love the art and want as much as I can get, so when you and others ask for content to be cut to seemingly appease your fetish it’s super cringe.

Also asking for a poll here does nothing, the only staff member here anymore is lostraven and he only stops in to laugh at our constant squabbling like this.

Edit: Just saw your other post and something I wanted to point out. The only reason we even have a split update right now is because after YEARS of main plot updates the vanilla fans couldn’t stop crying that A single NTR update was coming. The bitching did nothing but cause the split of the game that has everyone scared and extend the release time to work on the main story side. For the group that hates cuck shit they sure do a good job cucking themselves and everyone else out of the game.
 
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These are solid points, but is it maintainable pleasing both sides for that long with their current team?
there is a different writer for the ntr route, the first update needs to be big to get the story to a decent progress.
but they can update the ntr route with smaller updates along with the bigger normal route updates.
maybe the ai uber uses could make it possible to release a lot more proper art in a shorter time
 
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