VN Ren'Py Tales from the Unending Void [S3 v0.23 Extra Edition] [Perverteer]

[c3p0]

Ahhh common sense, oh how I miss thee.

anne O'nymous it isn't here either; Ava confirmed it.

 

[anne O'nymous]

anne O'nymous it isn't here either; Ava confirmed it.

And gods know that she's a reliable measuring device when it come to it.

 

[azz111]

There's no NTR in Sisterly Lust, and only one male character outside of the MC (who is the MC's friend and completely avoidable if you choose). The only H-scene content where he could show up, is a threesome with the MC and a girl, and I *think* a foursome with the MC present. But again, both are easily avoidable via choice.

Not to mention, Sisterly Lust one of the best non-animation AVNs I've played. It still ranks in my top 5 easily. Would be a shame to skip it.

I'm not an NTR fan either. But in a game that's already VERY light on the NTR(ish) content, AND it's completely avoidable, it's not just a shame to skip it, it's downright weird.

Like I wonder if someone slapped an NTR tag on a game, even if everyone including the OP knew there was no NTR in the game, that the OP and others would skip the game just because the taint of NTR had...well..."tainted" it. Even by mere association?

Are people really that against certain kinks that even if they can never see it or even hear a suggestion of it in their playthrough they'll avoid a game because they know that kink is lurking somewhere in the code?

Honest question, since I'm largely a tourist here and don't spend a lot of time in certain forums...

 

[OldMoonSong]

What I think marspig is saying with exaggeration -- and what I'll put more diplomatically -- is that the romantic & sexual plot lines have already reached their end-states / conclusions -- or at least they have for the female crew, from what I've experienced. The grander narrative, however, is lagging behind and apparently far from over, as Avaron1974 points out with the growing political intrigue, looming war, and revenge against Agust.

The harem is already formed, what more is there to do really except roll through every combination of threesome / foursome / Nsome? There is nothing new to look forward to romantically except for pregnancies and a happily-ever-after sendoff into rolling credits.

Essentially, the romantic plot lines are at the finish line, waiting for the space opera to catch up.

 

[Cabin Fever]

What I think marspig is saying with exaggeration -- and what I'll put more diplomatically -- is that the romantic & sexual plot lines have already reached their end-states / conclusions -- or at least they have for the female crew, from what I've experienced. The grander narrative, however, is lagging behind and apparently far from over, as Avaron1974 points out with the growing political intrigue, looming war, and revenge against Agust.

The harem is already formed, what more is there to do really except roll through every combination of threesome / foursome / Nsome? There is nothing new to look forward to romantically except for pregnancies and a happily-ever-after sendoff into rolling credits.

Essentially, the romantic plot lines are at the finish line, waiting for the space opera to catch up.

Well, that assumes no new LI's will be added to the harem. But one of the fan favorite side-girl had literally just re-appeared. And there is space in the LI screen for at least 2 more LI's, before any layout adjustment is needed.

All that is the long way to say, your attempt to diplomatically square marspig's circle is potentially just as wrong as marspig's opinion.

 

[OldMoonSong]

Well, that assumes no new LI's will be added to the harem. But one of the fan favorite side-girl had literally just re-appeared. And there is space in the LI screen for at least 2 more LI's, before any layout adjustment is needed.

All that is the long way to say, your attempt to diplomatically square marspig's circle is potentially just as wrong as marspig's opinion.

None of this counters the fact that there is a narrative problem -- the imbalanced development of plot lines. Without commenting on the theory that UI spacing should inform the # of LIs a game should have, I'll just note that this would only become more pronounced as new LIs are introduced, as the older ones -- having already reached their logical / emotional conclusions -- become stale and stagnant by comparison.
Yes, new LIs / returning side characters might serve to bridge the emotional gap while we wrap up the grander political & family conflict, but it comes at the cost of diluting emotional weight of already-established, core characters.

Something else is needed to keep the dynamics of the original crew fresh and engaging.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

Are people really that against certain kinks that even if they can never see it or even hear a suggestion of it in their playthrough they'll avoid a game because they know that kink is lurking somewhere in the code?

Everyone has their own interest in the game and everyone has the right to love and dislike the genre (just without whining and aggression).
But as for your opinion of ntr, there are things like a story approach, it's not that people hate NTR out of anger, but that even some fans may be repelled when viewing tags when they see tags they don't like.
And some are so focused on their favorite game or LI that for some reason you suddenly find out that it has another path, then they will be worried, thinking that now other fans will crave such scenes more.

Also, for fans who spend more time in one thread for a long time, they may be partially shocked when they see unexpected tags, which makes them lose interest in continuing to play!
As you can see? Everyone has their own perception, so it's better not to argue, It doesn't hurt to be careful if it's not whining or complaining, because worse things have happened in some AVNs when introducing new tags.

Well, update to my favorite game have finally been released, and I'll make time for it soon!

 

[Nadira]

Are people really that against certain kinks that even if they can never see it or even hear a suggestion of it in their playthrough they'll avoid a game because they know that kink is lurking somewhere in the code?

Yes. That's literally 99% of all topics in game threads...

 

[Cabin Fever]

None of this counters the fact that there is a narrative problem -- the imbalanced development of plot lines. Without commenting on the theory that UI spacing should inform the # of LIs a game should have, I'll just note that this would only become more pronounced as new LIs are introduced, as the older ones -- having already reached their logical / emotional conclusions -- become stale and stagnant by comparison.
Yes, new LIs / returning side characters might serve to bridge the emotional gap while we wrap up the grander political & family conflict, but it comes at the cost of diluting emotional weight of already-established, core characters.

Something else is needed to keep the dynamics of the original crew fresh and engaging.

Fair enough. In fact I completely agree with all this.

However, that wasn't the point of the original whine by marspig. And that's what I was addressing.

 

[cxx]

No matter how much you say here, it's useless if the creators don't care about this forum.

many devs ignore this forum cause this is pirate forum but perverteer isn't 1 of those, he responds to question occasionally.

 

[guidedbyvoices]

Are people really that against certain kinks that even if they can never see it or even hear a suggestion of it in their playthrough they'll avoid a game because they know that kink is lurking somewhere in the code?

Yes, for me the tags I consider wrong cause me to feel the game is tainted, or at least that it could be purer if those didn't exist.

I can put up with it if such tags are offered as an opt-in though, and then try not to think about it. But it's uncomfortable when I see hints of it existing like Gallery scenes I suspect or know contain such material. Clearly for me it was best if it didn't exist, in the game at hand or at all.

 

[doxxxicle]

Yes, there are quite a lot of variants. The foursome has seven possible versions, I believe. The orgy near the end of Season 2 also had quite a few. The number of course multiplies when a character is added. I've had some experience doing this in Sisterly Lust, but TFTUV is a little more ambitious with the amount of characters.

During the "Holy Trinity" scene, I only saw Lilly and Aven. However, all three are marked as "relationship: yes" and "pregnant: yes". Additionally, there was an errant dialogue line during the scene from Eva even though she wasn't shown in the render.

 

[Hallowicked]

Just discovered this game but is it a known bug or something, that iam missing pictures right from the start like "mansion" or "Calista" ?

 

[Jaga Telesin]

Just discovered this game but is it a known bug or something, that iam missing pictures right from the start like "mansion" or "Calista" ?

If you're using the mod (and it sounds like you are), you need to wait for it to be updated. Pathing on many images was changed in the latest update. The mod for S1 isn't updated yet, but he indicated it would be.

 

[Hallowicked]

If you're using the mod (and it sounds like you are), you need to wait for it to be updated. Pathing on many images was changed in the latest update. The mod for S1 isn't updated yet, but he indicated it would be.

Ah thats why , thx for the info

 

[azz111]

Everyone has their own interest in the game and everyone has the right to love and dislike the genre (just without whining and aggression).
But as for your opinion of ntr, there are things like a story approach, it's not that people hate NTR out of anger, but that even some fans may be repelled when viewing tags when they see tags they don't like.
And some are so focused on their favorite game or LI that for some reason you suddenly find out that it has another path, then they will be worried, thinking that now other fans will crave such scenes more.

Also, for fans who spend more time in one thread for a long time, they may be partially shocked when they see unexpected tags, which makes them lose interest in continuing to play!
As you can see? Everyone has their own perception, so it's better not to argue, It doesn't hurt to be careful if it's not whining or complaining, because worse things have happened in some AVNs when introducing new tags.

Well, update to my favorite game have finally been released, and I'll make time for it soon!

I suppose that's reasonable.

I just have trouble wrapping my head around having a problem with a very minor part of the story that I can ignore and play on as if it didn't exist. I don't care if other people have playthroughs with all the kinks I dislike, as long as there's sufficient content for a playthrough that avoids them.

That being said, for example, if a game is advertised as NTR focused from the get go, then that's fine and I just won't play it. Not my cup of tea. Game like My Bimbo Dream decided to add a non-NTR path to the game, which I appreciate, but I can see why NTR lovers might be upset that development time would presumably be diverted for non-NTR paths for a game that seems to have been advertised as NTR focused from the beginning.

Like, "Why is dev pandering to non-NTR people when he built the game's fanbase on NTR?" type of "mission creep" complaint. It's okay to be, and stay, niche. You don't have to be everything to everybody.

I don't know if that makes sense, and it's a little off topic. I'm just trying to see it from the other side (NTR lovers).

 

[azz111]

Yes. That's literally 99% of all topics in game threads...

I'm seeing that. And as this particular complaint isn't one of the ones I become insufferably whiny about, I can shake my head and pretend like I'm above such things

 

[azz111]

Yes, for me the tags I consider wrong cause me to feel the game is tainted, or at least that it could be purer if those didn't exist.

I can put up with it if such tags are offered as an opt-in though, and then try not to think about it. But it's uncomfortable when I see hints of it existing like Gallery scenes I suspect or know contain such material. Clearly for me it was best if it didn't exist, in the game at hand or at all.

If the game is otherwise enjoyable, and the content you don't like is completely avoidable, I'd hope you wouldn't let it ruin your enjoyment.

I'm thinking, but I don't believe there are any tags that would make me drop a game if the tags were avoidable. But maybe I just haven't encountered the right (or wrong) tag? If certain tags are unavoidable, then yeah, I may bail on a game

 

[MAGO-DAG]

That being said, for example, if a game is advertised as NTR focused from the get go, then that's fine and I just won't play it. Not my cup of tea. Game like My Bimbo Dream decided to add a non-NTR path to the game, which I appreciate, but I can see why NTR lovers might be upset that development time would presumably be diverted for non-NTR paths for a game that seems to have been advertised as NTR focused from the beginning.

That's what I was trying to convey. NTR-oriented, there are similar things like swing/sharring, I will understand them, but there are times when tags are introduced in vanilla games, which then make some fans wonder if there will be enough time for their favorite path/Li/scenes...

These are the usual things that we are already used to seeing from anti-ntr vs ntr fans. the other side complains about why NTR is there, and other sides, having seen the scene besides MC, will demand something similar*but there are such fans in a couple of netori/harem style games where they crave ntr* Theoretically, I can understand some of the complaints, if it's not something like whining.


P.s Nadira answered quite logically

You aren't the MC and it's like watching a movie. They might like some characters but there is no real attachment.

That's why some people can't stand things that are optional. It taints the memory of the girls they like, because they've formed an emotional bond with them.

Is it wise to form that bond? Maybe not, but one might argue that that's just the outcome of good story telling. It's also the difference between a porn game and a visual novel.

 

[Nadira]

I'm seeing that. And as this particular complaint isn't one of the ones I become insufferably whiny about, I can shake my head and pretend like I'm above such things

Look... it's very simple... do you self-insert or not.

If yes then you wouldn't want to see or even think about the girls you like doing things you don't like.

Those people become very attached to those girls and the thought of them "cheating" on them gives them the same feeling as if their IRL girlfriend would cheat on them. That's nothing most people like to experience IRL.

If no, you play as observer.

You aren't the MC and it's like watching a movie. They might like some characters but there is no real attachment.

That's why some people can't stand things that are optional. It taints the memory of the girls they like, because they've formed an emotional bond with them.
Is it wise to form that bond? Maybe not, but one might argue that that's just the outcome of good story telling. It's also the difference between a porn game and a visual novel.

Just my two cents...