Yeah mines not any of those but ~400 is the average and anything above 700 is big money without PhD or such.
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979 at the time of my posting, is not only enough to cover my portion of rent, but would enable me to replace my broken ass car and afford the monthy payments on the car I want brand new no problem. Idk what world u live in that an extra grand isnt life changing but in mine it is. If i knew i could release a barebones "game" and then doodle for a few years riding that gravy train I would have done it. Im sure the dude has a job, since u need one to survive in this world, but that money very much can change your life, it literally would make everything i want to do in my life possible instead of just barely out of reach. With his patreon being only 4 dollars for top tier, most ppl who are subbed probably just forgot about it and hes riding the train most subscriptions rely on...you forgetting you were still subbed. I don't normally bag on ppl for taking awhile for updates, but 2 years AND making an extra grand a month. If we were to do the math, with the assumption its been this way from the state (it hasnt but for the sake of argument) hes made over 20,000 dollars....20 grand + if im being conservative to make.....doodles....thats just insane to me. At this point I literally have no choice but to call this whole thing a scam. "Shit or get off the pot" as they say.
He lives in finland and 1000$ there i think its below lowest average
He started making one grand 6months ago
365 patrons forgot to cancel sub my ass
He stated that hes working on it, check here after half a year and im sure v3 gonna come
I dont agree with his ways of not doing frequent communication updates but i assume hes just too autistic to bother but making meaningless posts like yours that contribute nothing to this forum when he cleary works on the game its just ridiculous
If youre paying on patroen then write to him what you feel is wrong with his ways but not spew your bullshit here like a little bitch
If youre not paying then stfu and live your life and game gonna come out eventually
jeez
Hey, i remember that 2-3 years ago, when V3 was about to be released after august, shortly after a stream or so. Don't know what's the catch, but i definitively was waiting to see that V3, and checking systematically. The game has good rpg core, and, duh, gameplay; which you don't see often.
Tho I can understand the point about patreons, it's not like he's some ex-Breeding Season developer.
- Give us more animations.
- Here's that and this.
- Ok, now give us more animations.
- Nah, take this and that.
- Give. Us. More. Animations.
- Here's a shit tone of drama and btw, you're mean, we cancel the game.
And those guys had 10-20k per month.
A circus that will remain inhistory my memory.
Anyway, there may be some disappointment after the release of V3. 3 years, one could expect something big. And if it's not, there's gonna be some frustrations. It might just be decent, and being free - that's already noice.
Tho I can understand the point about patreons, it's not like he's some ex-Breeding Season developer.
- Give us more animations.
- Here's that and this.
- Ok, now give us more animations.
- Nah, take this and that.
- Give. Us. More. Animations.
- Here's a shit tone of drama and btw, you're mean, we cancel the game.
And those guys had 10-20k per month.
A circus that will remain in
Anyway, there may be some disappointment after the release of V3. 3 years, one could expect something big. And if it's not, there's gonna be some frustrations. It might just be decent, and being free - that's already noice.
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Not sure what he was talking about, this things been using Adobe Air for a long time.
Hell the latest version of the game is using it already, likely drop flash support if I had to guess for the next one, if it ever comes out.
Where I am from we call this pocket watching but I do not know what part of the world where 1k USD a month isnt atleast livable wages. The cost of living is not that high especially in majority of Europe. Out your fucking mind but thats just lousy ass degree talking. Beyond that I long stopped giving a fuck about when this game gonna update. It be nice. I would appreciate it. My nuts would appreciate it. But I have never finacially participated because artist as a whole are lackadaisical and doing most of what they do on a whim. If he wants to make some niche porn and stop cool. Keep up the art then. If he wants to make the game cool. I would love to play it. The only horse I would have is people are right this wait is some bullshit. Is this baby sitting cream in this mother fucker? Why are people so allergic to delegating. You are like a low tier celebrity in porn game world go get someone to do that shit for cheap. Stop killing ya self trying to deliver on some shit you cant do.
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I'm in america and 1k isn't livable here. Also that's 1k before the fee's, taxes, and patron cut. (Which can easily add up to 12% from what I can find)
Where is even 12k annual USD even considered livable? Maybe UK since they have free housing and the like. (Note, 1k USD a month is still only half minimum wage there)
MD droped a little info for V3 on the discord.
"A peek at the new UI"
"I've added the avoidance button to the overmap UI and the code necessary for the new scripting that lets the player avoid encounters when its activated"
"A peek at the new UI"
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"I've added the avoidance button to the overmap UI and the code necessary for the new scripting that lets the player avoid encounters when its activated"
Amazing, and it only took 2 years! [/sarcasm]
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The average gross salary of the countries you listed is as follows;
Hungary = 1251
Poland = 1289
Slovakia = 1202
Croatia = 1297
Czech republic = 1508
PhD results in lower wage than a Master since you're limited to academia as well. With a PhD you tend to be classified as "overqualified" for most jobs (common problem with people that get bored of Academia). If your goal is a career, or money a PhD is never the best option in STEM fields and especially not in other fields like social sciences (good look getting a job outside of research with a philosophy, sociology etc PhD). The exception is if you have a PhD in pharmaceutical chemistry, where research outside of universities is plentiful (private pharma companies).
I have a feeling that you're manipulating the numbers to your liking sir.
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I live in Hungary. The "average gross" is not the NET income and it isn't even the Median Net Income. In Hungary if you get the exceptionally high 1251€ salary your NET will be ~820 €. But the reality is that the Median NET (50% gets more 50% gets less) was 627€ in the previous month. So average gross is 1251€ what you get if you are lucky is 627€. Which means half of the population gets less then ~620€ half gets more than ~620€.
In my opinion that means in my country MD's Patreon income (~850€) is more than 50% of the population lives on month-by-month. Which is a damn good Net Income and many would work its ass off to get a job like that.
And I know it is almost the same in the rest of the described countries. So I know it is hard to believe for a guy/girl living in USA, UK, or Germany but 1000$ is a lot of money for someone not living in 1st world country.
No Sir, I'm living in the reality and not in some politician's text book where everything is super-fine. Statistics made by politicians and reality is lived by the rest of the people.
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And the same applies to MeanDraco's patreon money. There's still taxes, patreon fees, conversion fees, payment processor fees etc that is yet to be deducted. You can't look at MeanDracos gross income and then compare it with NET income. That's manipulating numbers, because one has had all fees deducted and the other hasn't. He probably earns around 400-500 of that 1000 at most if we're talking about Net income.
The only reason I used gross is because you did in your initial post when referring to MD's patreon. In reality, Gross and Net are both rather useless metrics and in any proper analysis you have to take buying power into account (PPP). A person earning 2000 in Monaco is gonna be poorer than someone earning 1000 in Budapest, because 2000 is not enough to cover expenses in Monaco, while it's enough in Budapest.
The only reason I used gross is because you did in your initial post when referring to MD's patreon. In reality, Gross and Net are both rather useless metrics and in any proper analysis you have to take buying power into account (PPP). A person earning 2000 in Monaco is gonna be poorer than someone earning 1000 in Budapest, because 2000 is not enough to cover expenses in Monaco, while it's enough in Budapest.
any of y'all got the link to the TU Discord server? I can't find that shit anywhere
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MD revealed on discord some changes added to the town map. It's not much, but here.
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SO much work in 3 years WOW...