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I would love if there would be some more tension between the characters we already have , like Nicole for instance. if the MC could have had a choice to keep their sex a secret. And if he could have brought back Zarah instead of introducing new characters. I also would like to have had choice if i would like to fuck the asian woman or not, now atleast i could postpone it. Otherwise good as usual.
 
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ChrisHaze

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Define "super cucky"? Everyone is different.

Yes it goes both ways but he is the one which enjoys watching.
I guess super cucky for me would be a guy who always talks about how good she got fucked by someone else and even when he's alone and jacks off he's imagining her getting railed by others, but since it goes both ways in this game I guess it kind of evens out. To be competeley honest though, it's just a game so I don't care too much as long as it has good animation I'll give it a try. I mean it's not like I'm lending my girl out in real life lol, some people are too up in arms about it in these games and let's be honest if one of our friends in real life had a hot gf and wanted us to fuck her, most of us would (even the people who complain about the ntr in these games would).
 

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I would love if there would be some more tension between the characters we already have , like Nicole for instance. if the MC could have had a choice to keep their sex a secret. And if he could have brought back Zarah instead of introducing new characters. I also would like to have had choice if i would like to fuck the asian woman or not, now atleast i could postpone it. Otherwise good as usual.
I haven't played the chapter 11 Part 2 yet but I have to agree that I would prefer a better balance developing relationships with existing characters rather than the volume of new additions.
 

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I don't hate it, this isn't me slamming the game, I really enjoy certain parts I just don't see how they come out of this still married.
There are plenty of awesome and happy open marriages with lots of swinging.

They aren't together primarily for the sex, which they can get anywhere. They are together for the emotional support, the children, the non-physical intimacy, and the trust.

Whether this story transitions into a stronger and enduring relationship remains to be seen.
 

Avaron1974

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There are plenty of awesome and happy open marriages with lots of swinging.

They aren't together primarily for the sex, which they can get anywhere. They are together for the emotional support, the children, the non-physical intimacy, and the trust.

Whether this story transitions into a stronger and enduring relationship remains to be seen.
What emotional support?

There is the guy pushing the wife, she does something she didn't want to and has to leave her job and he gives zero fucks about her feelings.

There is no emotional support.

I'm not talking about other relationships, i'm talking this one. Or lack thereof.
 
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I'd rather argue, the real issue isn't the dev, but rather the Players, which summarize some Kinks and never really educate themself / inform themself and than such statements like this exist. It's even more problematic if a certain people care enough about a kink to dive into on the surface, but never as much to really understand all aspect / variations and stuff. That's why we often have on this forum this topics popping up, because one half of the community want to have everything NTR tagged, even if it's not true NTR, while the other half (obviously) get's pissed about the NTR Tag because it bundles together way to much things and makes it hard to find what you are looking for specifically and also kinda discredit some kinks and fetishes, and give them special defintions which isn't even true.

But let me sum it up:
There is:
Open Relationship: Which means that both, (or rarely one) Partner sleeps freely around. In this type of relationship BOTH love each other, but in regard of Sex they're allowed to sleep with others. They differ between Love&Sex which makes it differently to Vanilla / Classic / Romantic Type of Relationship, where Sex is part of the Love.

Polyamor Relationship: Is kinda the next step of a Open Relationship... the difference is however the focus on that isn't the sexual part / sex, but it's more about love. Means polyamor folks do love ALL their Partners, and not only a single one.Doesn't mean that Polyamor folks won't simply fuck sometimes with a "Sexbuddie" or "Stranger" like in a Open-Relationship, but the difference between OR and Poly is the mentality of "only love one, have sex with more" and "love more people which also have sex with".

Cheating, which should obviously. Sleeping behind your Partner / your Partner sleeps behind your back, while you are in a traditional vanilla Relationship where loyality and trust is the keypoint. Cheating can lead to Netorare and stuff, but the thing about Cheating is, that it is mostly about having sex willingly behind the back of the partner, while you still might love him/her/they and be together with him/her/they and still fuck with their vanilla-partner.

Netorare is Kink / Genre where it's about a partner being taken away. Often this Stories are about being forcefully taken away by blackmailing or rape, sometimes there is Cheating involved. They key difference here to mere cheating is, that the one who get's ntr'd doesn't really have any interest in their vanilla partner. They mostly love the new stud for the good and better sex, (very rarely there might some romantically aspects also involved) and that either leads to leaving, cucking or doing it behind their vanilla-partners. Netorare storys / games / doujins can either be at the perspective of the one taken away or the one taken away from. (so either the vanilla partner, or the ntr'd partner, but not the Stud).

Netori is the exact same as Netorare, except that you play the stud who steals the partners.

Than there is Netorase, which is rather a bundle of stuff like Cuckold and such.
And now we come to the major point which also is TAC about, Wifesharing, Swinging and Cuckoldry.

Swinging is easy, it's for couples which swing/switch/swap partners with other couples / people like in Swinger clubs.

Wifesharer are Man, who enjoy seeing their wife being fucked by others (and maybe sometimes even participate). However in this Kink the Man is either the dominant one, or atleast equally to his partner.

Cuckoldry however is a more extreme than Wifesharing, (though comes in three different stages / types) also considered as BDSM, where the Man is the submissive partner and the wife / the stud the dominant one. The Cuckold enjoy seeing their wifes getting fucked by the "better" Stud, and might get humilated by his wife / the stud, maybe even involved in some more of the action like preparing the wife with licking or even (if bi-oriented) suck of the stud and such. It doesn't neccessary need to reflect the romantical aspect of their lovelife... for cuckoldry it's pretty possible that in their normal life they're pretty lovely, caring and equally, cuckoldry mostly focusing on the Sexual-Aspect of their life. Though NTR can lead to cuckoldry as well, especially in fiction (porn, porngames, doujins).

Alot of this stuff above differen in their mentality of being faithfull and not. A Wifeshare =/= Cheating, because for Wifesharing BOTH partners know about the kink and are open about that, while Cheating (or NTR) happens behind the back of their partner and mostly against their will. Sometimes certain Kinks or "genres" mix up, sometimes there are twist to certain genre's like a NTR Doujin which i read, where the Husband willingly set up to her Wife getting NTR'ed so he can get off by his cuckold fetish, but in general there is difference / a distinctive part about them. Someone who enjoy's Wifesharing doesn't neccessary enjoying NTR...

So i don't see how the Dev is mixing up something. The Game is like for Renpy pretty normal, pretty open about the choices you make. From what i've played and i did play almost every new update, (though i didn't play all the routes / dialgoues yet because the game is pretty big) the Protagonist isn't per se a cuckold, and especially not a soft-cuck how you call it, but rather a Wifeshare which enjoy to see her wife getting fucked. Everything else is up to you, if it leads to being her unfaithfull and cheats with her dad (might lead to NTR) it's how you play... if you are unfaithfull as well, if you have of the mere cuckold experience either. And that's why i'd argue that TAC is besides (modded) Tyrant a pretty damn great game for people which like Swinging / Wifesharing Genre with Cuckold / NTR possibilites (though Tyrant emphasis more on the NTR Side that's for sure).
This was a brilliant post.

Regrettably, even in the current year, there are a lot of people who kink shame and this tends to lead to over-the-top reactions to kinks they do not share.

I don't like transformation, furry or incest but you will never catch me complaining about games with them in. If a game has them, I may play anyway, and if I don't like it, then I certainly won't complain for engaging something I knew in advance that I may not enjoy.

I have found that one of the biggest turn-ons for the gender (women) I am attracted to is being open-minded. Being a hardcore anti-this or anti-that isn't sexually appealing, because, in my opinion, it screams insecurity, which is NOT sexy, particularly in a man. A man who is unbothered by other people's kinks gives off a vibe of being unflappable, worldly, and compassionate.
 

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What emotional support?

There is the guy pushing the wife, she does something she didn't want to and has to leave her job and he gives zero fucks about her feelings.

There is no emotional support.

I'm not talking about other relationships, i'm talking this one. Or lack thereof.
You were making a valid point in the specific. I was making a valid point in general.

I don't play this much these days. I read about too many bugs and the development cycle is long. We'll see how creative the Dev is with where this relationship goes over time.
 

JoleenStar

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This game started out really good, but after the remastering and then the long release cycles coupled with too many characters it became diluted; the story is just a mess.

This game is the perfect example as to why you should write your story first. Make the game second. Remaster/Update it third.
 

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What emotional support?

There is the guy pushing the wife, she does something she didn't want to and has to leave her job and he gives zero fucks about her feelings.

There is no emotional support.

I'm not talking about other relationships, i'm talking this one. Or lack thereof.
I definitely see what you're saying here and I'm not against this type of relationship, but It's the way the MC is written. He seems to treat her more like an object that he owns, like a new car he wants to show off to guys; "Hey guys, it's hot right? Wanna ride?" It's too blunt, too soon.
I think if the writing had been drawn out a little longer to develop into this type of relationship more organically it would have been nice, but to me he just seems to have very little respect for her.
 

Newhaven

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Anyone happen to have a save from the beginning of chapter 11 part 2 they are willing to share? Keeps crashing at the start for me.

Thanks!
 

mizilic

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I'd rather argue, the real issue isn't the dev, but rather the Players, which summarize some Kinks and never really educate themself / inform themself and than such statements like this exist. It's even more problematic if a certain people care enough about a kink to dive into on the surface, but never as much to really understand all aspect / variations and stuff. That's why we often have on this forum this topics popping up, because one half of the community want to have everything NTR tagged, even if it's not true NTR, while the other half (obviously) get's pissed about the NTR Tag because it bundles together way to much things and makes it hard to find what you are looking for specifically and also kinda discredit some kinks and fetishes, and give them special defintions which isn't even true.

But let me sum it up:
There is:
Open Relationship: Which means that both, (or rarely one) Partner sleeps freely around. In this type of relationship BOTH love each other, but in regard of Sex they're allowed to sleep with others. They differ between Love&Sex which makes it differently to Vanilla / Classic / Romantic Type of Relationship, where Sex is part of the Love.

Polyamor Relationship: Is kinda the next step of a Open Relationship... the difference is however the focus on that isn't the sexual part / sex, but it's more about love. Means polyamor folks do love ALL their Partners, and not only a single one.Doesn't mean that Polyamor folks won't simply fuck sometimes with a "Sexbuddie" or "Stranger" like in a Open-Relationship, but the difference between OR and Poly is the mentality of "only love one, have sex with more" and "love more people which also have sex with".

Cheating, which should obviously. Sleeping behind your Partner / your Partner sleeps behind your back, while you are in a traditional vanilla Relationship where loyality and trust is the keypoint. Cheating can lead to Netorare and stuff, but the thing about Cheating is, that it is mostly about having sex willingly behind the back of the partner, while you still might love him/her/they and be together with him/her/they and still fuck with their vanilla-partner.

Netorare is Kink / Genre where it's about a partner being taken away. Often this Stories are about being forcefully taken away by blackmailing or rape, sometimes there is Cheating involved. They key difference here to mere cheating is, that the one who get's ntr'd doesn't really have any interest in their vanilla partner. They mostly love the new stud for the good and better sex, (very rarely there might some romantically aspects also involved) and that either leads to leaving, cucking or doing it behind their vanilla-partners. Netorare storys / games / doujins can either be at the perspective of the one taken away or the one taken away from. (so either the vanilla partner, or the ntr'd partner, but not the Stud).

Netori is the exact same as Netorare, except that you play the stud who steals the partners.

Than there is Netorase, which is rather a bundle of stuff like Cuckold and such.
And now we come to the major point which also is TAC about, Wifesharing, Swinging and Cuckoldry.

Swinging is easy, it's for couples which swing/switch/swap partners with other couples / people like in Swinger clubs.

Wifesharer are Man, who enjoy seeing their wife being fucked by others (and maybe sometimes even participate). However in this Kink the Man is either the dominant one, or atleast equally to his partner.

Cuckoldry however is a more extreme than Wifesharing, (though comes in three different stages / types) also considered as BDSM, where the Man is the submissive partner and the wife / the stud the dominant one. The Cuckold enjoy seeing their wifes getting fucked by the "better" Stud, and might get humilated by his wife / the stud, maybe even involved in some more of the action like preparing the wife with licking or even (if bi-oriented) suck of the stud and such. It doesn't neccessary need to reflect the romantical aspect of their lovelife... for cuckoldry it's pretty possible that in their normal life they're pretty lovely, caring and equally, cuckoldry mostly focusing on the Sexual-Aspect of their life. Though NTR can lead to cuckoldry as well, especially in fiction (porn, porngames, doujins).

Alot of this stuff above differen in their mentality of being faithfull and not. A Wifeshare =/= Cheating, because for Wifesharing BOTH partners know about the kink and are open about that, while Cheating (or NTR) happens behind the back of their partner and mostly against their will. Sometimes certain Kinks or "genres" mix up, sometimes there are twist to certain genre's like a NTR Doujin which i read, where the Husband willingly set up to her Wife getting NTR'ed so he can get off by his cuckold fetish, but in general there is difference / a distinctive part about them. Someone who enjoy's Wifesharing doesn't neccessary enjoying NTR...

So i don't see how the Dev is mixing up something. The Game is like for Renpy pretty normal, pretty open about the choices you make. From what i've played and i did play almost every new update, (though i didn't play all the routes / dialgoues yet because the game is pretty big) the Protagonist isn't per se a cuckold, and especially not a soft-cuck how you call it, but rather a Wifeshare which enjoy to see her wife getting fucked. Everything else is up to you, if it leads to being her unfaithfull and cheats with her dad (might lead to NTR) it's how you play... if you are unfaithfull as well, if you have of the mere cuckold experience either. And that's why i'd argue that TAC is besides (modded) Tyrant a pretty damn great game for people which like Swinging / Wifesharing Genre with Cuckold / NTR possibilites (though Tyrant emphasis more on the NTR Side that's for sure).
I know all those things and differences, Mike but that's exactly where the problem lays: these different kinks are mixed up! At least "open relationship" and "cheating" are badly mixed up!
Let me give you an example: I for instance would like to SHARE such an amazing wife like Anne, basically by swinging with other couples, but also with other men in my presence or each of us on their own separately (yes, me too). PROVIDED we both agreed on this "life style" and there is no secret and no cheating! That's an "open relationship". right? And that's the path i have chosen.
And indeed for part of the game, after i have chosen the "swinging" path, it does go that way. BUT.. then comes Martin. And although i see her fucking him in the shower at home (where i sent him in!) and then again fucking in his room next morning (where I sent her in!) she then continues to have a strong sexual (and not only sexual) relation with Martin but tells me nothing about it! She even lies when Martin calls her and I ask who it was. Now.. that's CHEATING! And cheating has no place in an "open relationship", swinger/hot wife/sharing wife path.
But i have no choice to click on something and make her tell me the truth about her relation with Martin. That particular relation is even defined as "martincheat" in the scripts. Well i don't want it to be a cheat. Not on the path i have chosen! And it has no reason to be a cheat since i already saw them fuck twice at home (with my consent or even with me pushing it).. So what sense does it make to hide it after that?
The only reason i can see is that the dev decided to also satisfy the ones who are into cheating at this point. No problem with that on my side, just that .. cheating with Martin (and anybody else) should only appear if you have chosen the cheating path! Which I didn't. Otherwise it should still happen but.. not behind my back! I SHOULD KNOW about it!
The only choices i have as a player if i want to see Anne fucking Martin (which of course i want to see!) are to either accept that she's cheating me (which means getting out of my path) and get to see those scenes or.. chose there on the beach that she doesn't allow Martin to grab her ass and then she doesn't fuck Martin at all and i would miss all sex scenes with Martin.. Both choices are not acceptable on my chosen path! All that's needed on my chosen path is that she tells me about it! Either before she meets him (when he calls) or after as a "story" like many others. But that doesn't happen.
And it's not only Martin. It's also Troy. She fucks Troy at the spa and has even a heavy 3 some MMF with Troy and Drake there but she only tells MC about fucking Drake at the spa and that Troy.. just gave her a massage. And even about Drake fucking her ass on the beach she doesn't tell him (if you went that way in your game play). Why that? No reason.. just confusion. That's why i say that the things you defined so carefully above are mixed up in this otherwise great game!
The paths should be clearly defined and developed separately. If you chose one path at the beginning of the game that path should not be mixed with others along the way. But you should also not have to lose sex scenes just to avoid that the paths mix up.. Let her fuck Martin, let her fuck Troy, let her fuck Drake and anybody that may still come in the future, that's OK in an "open relationship", but if you didn't chose the cheating path, she should ALWAYS TELL YOU, not cheat on you! Not to mention that the MC almost never tells her who he fucked, and that's also not fair on a swinger/open relation path! That's again cheating and doesn't belong there.. so .. mix up it is!

PS: Looking at the way the game goes at this time, i could maybe see a "dramaturgical reason" for this "mix up". For the case that the dev intends to break the MC-Anne relationship in the future or at least .. endanger it. In that case, bringing such elements of "cheating" into an otherwise exemplary "open relationship" would be dramaturgicaly justified for that particular development of the relation, so yes, in that case the "mix up" would make sense, but only in that case..
 
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SOMEBODY HELP ME WITH THIS PLS :c

Code:
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "game/chapter9.rpy", line 3294, in script
    if cuck and drake:
  File "game/chapter9.rpy", line 3294, in <module>
    if cuck and drake:
NameError: name 'cuck' is not defined

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "game/chapter9.rpy", line 3294, in script
    if cuck and drake:
  File "C:\Program Files\Nueva carpeta\Nueva carpeta\TAC-pc\TAC-pc1\renpy\ast.py", line 1832, in execute
    if renpy.python.py_eval(condition):
  File "C:\Program Files\Nueva carpeta\Nueva carpeta\TAC-pc\TAC-pc1\renpy\python.py", line 2059, in py_eval
    return py_eval_bytecode(code, globals, locals)
  File "C:\Program Files\Nueva carpeta\Nueva carpeta\TAC-pc\TAC-pc1\renpy\python.py", line 2052, in py_eval_bytecode
    return eval(bytecode, globals, locals)
  File "game/chapter9.rpy", line 3294, in <module>
    if cuck and drake:
NameError: name 'cuck' is not defined

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Chapter 11 pt1 
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