jormungaurd

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Well first off: I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be kinda an ironic twist. Otherwise Westane could have just shoehorned in some sort of "eureka" moment in the MC that led to the development of the new serums. The fact that you're the head of the department and your assistant is apparently much more competent/innovative than you comes off as an intentional gag. There is even dialogue reflecting the oddity of the situation.
The other complaint I have with your suggestion is in the core mechanics. If you were the assistant, why would you get to choose what materials and serums you and Penny are producing at any given time? Why are you taking the serums home? Why are you taking a share of the profits from selling them? Why isn't Penny using them (aside from a few select scenes in her dom route)? It's also worth noting that the entire reason you got inducted into The Company is because you invented the serum.

As far as Dom John not making sense in this context... well there's a lot of reasons Dom John doesn't make sense. There's a lot of reasons a lot of things in this game don't make sense if you think too hard about them. It's called "suspension of disbelief." Why don't you report to Sophie that John is corrupting your coworkers? Why is everyone totally cool with the fact that your entire body changed overnight? Who are you even selling these serums to after the first week [given that the big wigs in the corporate office were confident the entire project was a failure all the way up to the end of chapter one]? There's a load of blatant plot holes that we are perfectly comfortable overlooking for the sake of enjoying a game that gets us hard. But the fact that Penny is your subordinate isn't really one of them. That's perfectly believable and, in fact, more believable than the inverse.
I can see what you mean, it does make a little more sense for Penny to be your assistant. Truthfully, it didn't really bother me until I tried the Dom John route. For the most part I can deal with he plot holes, including those in the Dom John route, because despite John corrupting the other employees they're still doing their jobs. With that type of company I don't think they would have a problem with anything as long as it didn't effect their bottom line, and someone not doing their job would do it.
I don't know, maybe it's just because it was the one route in the game that I didn't like that caused that pothole to stand out more. I think I'll just leave that play through were it ended for me, with John taking the fall at the end of chapter 2.
 

diebesgrab

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The idea of that route is that you seem to be getting dosed by John and his minions, potentially without your knowledge. I’m willing to believe that Penny has dosed you to be willing to cover her work and John has dosed you not to stand up to him or try to report any of it. Some narrative confirmation would be nice, but I don’t think we need more John events just yet, and since the player character wouldn’t know anyway, it’s not horrible just to leave it implied.
 

jormungaurd

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The fact is to fix the problems in the Dom John route, would mean another John update. And no one wants another John update. Its porn a game. Suspend the reality a bit.
I partially agree to no more John update, only update for John I would want is to his submissive line, because I can’t seem to get further with Tasha because I can’t get further with him. As far as the Dom John route, like I said I’m happy with ending that play through with the game over screen after sticking him with BMB-1 at the end of chapter 2.
 
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qwsaq

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I partially agree to no more John update, only update for John I would want is to his submissive line, because I can’t seem to get further with Tasha because I can’t get further with him. As far as the Dom John route, like I said I’m happy with ending that play through with the game over screen after sticking him with BMB-1 at the end of chapter 2.
I personally want more Chanel. It was promised that you could make her more dominant but that was never delivered. Sub John was an interesting twist and it's disappointing that that was never fully fleshed out.
But I will say that Dom John does have some good content after chapter 2. Where I stopped was after he turned you into a chick towards the end of chapter 3. I play as a sissy and like the fact that my dick is locked away; it's much more a sign of submission than growing a pussy imo. But I'm sure there's some more content after that which I missed out on.

Still: I agree that WAY TOO MUCH emphasis was put on Dom John during his update cycle. Only a basic framework was laid down for Chanel and Sub John (never tried Romance John tbh. That's just gay, lol). But hey: it is what it is I guess...
 

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I personally want more Chanel. It was promised that you could make her more dominant but that was never delivered.
I would love a dom chanel.
The fact that there's a sub path for the MC at all is another thing that doesn't really make a whole hell of a lot of sense. Using drugs to manipulate people isn't a very "sub" thing to do. Though I guess it did make a tiny bit of sense before serums started getting overhauled. Back then getting dommed largely centered on you being locked in chastity and you could kinda justify it as "my attempts to brainwash people went horribly wrong!" But actively making them abuse you is a tad weird.
No complaints though; I'm almost exclusively sub.
The thing is, the mc don't know how much the serum affects people, so in sub routes it is a case of "it went wrong" or "it went too far and i lost control of the situation".
But maybe the mc isn't that much of a dom him/herself, after all you are given a choice by saya at the start, maybe you can choose to make people more dom, it's not that unbelievable.
 
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The thing is, the mc don't know how much the serum affects people, so in sub routes it is a case of "it went wrong" or "it went too far and i lost control of the situation".
But maybe the mc isn't that much of a dom him/herself, after all you are given a choice by saya at the start, maybe you can choose to make people more dom, it's not that unbelievable.
Yeah, but an actual sub wouldn't be drugging people. And telling Penny directly to become a dom doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you're ballsy enough to drug her in the first place. Again: not a complaint. I'm willing to overlook anything if it means getting my dick hard.
 
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Thermophob

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Any information about what Dakota serum paths will we have in 3.3.3? Maybe some info from dev build?
I don't think he will start working at Dakota at next update, Ava is still not finished. I mean I know he did wrote it will focus at Dakota... but it's not the first time he wasn't able to meet self imposed deadlines... I still hope he will prove me wrong... :D
 
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I liked the old version of this game but now it just seems to progress you drug em and everything is being made base line, like you have no idea what the clothes do unless you buy them then look in the wardobe. just feels like as more is added more is taken away
Yeah I agree... that certainly does seem to be the case.
And (in hindsight) I wish I kept a separate copy of the versions (rather than replace with the update).

As far as I can tell though, the author's doing an architectural revamp, and released what is still an Alpha version of that.
Assuming I'm right, I'm also guessing the previous functionality will be put back. Just hasn't happened yet.

Please fell free to correct me and/or elucidate us all with more clarity OhWee :)
 

jormungaurd

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Yeah, but an actual sub wouldn't be drugging people. And telling Penny directly to become a dom doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you're ballsy enough to drug her in the first place. Again: not a complaint. I'm willing to overlook anything if it means getting my dick hard.
I think it would actually depend on the submissive. I've met some subs that outside of sex or the home are a lot more dominant. Inside the house or in regards to sex is the one place that they can allow themselves to be submissive like they want to be. Someone like that, in this type of situation, I could see drugging people to make them more dominant so that they could create the environment that they truly want.
Heck in general I think a submissive that is in love with someone that isn't dominant will constantly try to push that person to be more dominant towards them, to try and get that person to fulfill that need they have to be dominated. The serums just provides them a way to get what they ultimately want.
 
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EvilRade

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I don't think he will start working at Dakota at next update, Ava is still not finished. I mean I know he did wrote it will focus at Dakota... but it's not the first time he wasn't able to meet self imposed deadlines... I still hope he will prove me wrong... :D
Regarding Ava - If you are talking about MCS-X part, I think Westane said that it would be done after Chapter 4.
 

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I don't think he will start working at Dakota at next update, Ava is still not finished. I mean I know he did wrote it will focus at Dakota... but it's not the first time he wasn't able to meet self imposed deadlines... I still hope he will prove me wrong... :D
Westane is. That being said though, he does mention in 3.3.2.3 that both Ava and Dakota are being developed concurrently.
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Thermophob

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But maybe the mc isn't that much of a dom him/herself, after all you are given a choice by saya at the start, maybe you can choose to make people more dom, it's not that unbelievable.
Well MC is dominant if you play that way, or not if you don't. But I think one of qwsaq's point was that submissive's don't make harem to dominate them. It's bit unbelievable.

Regarding Ava - If you are talking about MCS-X part, I think Westane said that it would be done after Chapter 4.
Ok, I think I have missed that part. I remember he wrote that chapter 4 will have Thanksgiving with half-Japanese cousin.
Anyway, I am bit disappointed, since we will not see some development with Sophie and Diana in foreseeable future. Sophie is banner girl, and has little content...
 

EvilRade

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My suggestion is to remove Cat Collar altogether since it undermines the sense of what the Company is doing (lore-wise) and could be easily replaced during events with simple check of MC sub/dom status (exactly the same how it works with Dom John route).
 

Thermophob

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Like jormungaurd said, it depend on the person, it's not that unbelievable, even less in that kind of game.
To be honest, it's almost absolutely unbelievable, but after all game is not reality.
PS about MC being lab assistant, what lab assistant have car and driver from the firm?
 
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jormungaurd

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I look at it like the main character didn't intend at the beginning for them all to dominate him/her, at the beginning it was more just opening them to to the possibility of having sex with them. I mean of the six girls only one of them really showed dominant tendencies at the beginning, and that's Sophia. And out of all of them the mc only really pushed towards dominance Penny and Ava. I was actually surprised that Dakota became as dominant as she did towards the later half.
One suggestion though, for Sophia's dominant track for some reason in the scene where you bump into her and she tries to make you submit to her right there I never actually have the option to submit at that time, I only have the option to run away. Would be nice to have the option to submit.
 

EvilRade

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One suggestion though, for Sophia's dominant track for some reason in the scene where you bump into her and she tries to make you submit to her right there I never actually have the option to submit at that time, I only have the option to run away. Would be nice to have the option to submit.
In previous versions there was an option to submit and "say sorry properly", it was broken in last update, so it is just a bug to report.
 
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