Ren'Py Abandoned The Curse of Joy [0.1] [LustFight & Siker]

[-L-L-MJ-]

This has nothing to do with the previous versions. Is this a new game or complete remake? Sorry but I am a little confused...

Let's just say that if this was previously known as "Joy". The new title is spot on for the new "completely remade game" it definitely comes across as cursed now. Compared to older version mc and other characters driven into ruin, dialogue and time / location skips that barely make sense with what was and what is now. It's really cringe.. and a real shame too.

The difference in direction this took is really confusing and really brings up the question why the dev would discard everything he build up in previous version(s) was a pretty decent game if there was backstory or other characters to be introduced he could have done that with flashbacks, not what ever the hell this is.

 

[Cabin]

NTR now?
Welp ignore this one goes now.
Another dev adding ntr when he first said it
will never have ntr, now adding it in development when it was never in the first place.


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He did say you could disable it
Idk what's the problem?
Edit : he has removed it, happy ?

 

[Before I Forget]

I wish the writer luck but I'm gonna pass on this game as well as the other one. The Dev or Devs clearly don't know what direction they wanna go with any of the two games.

 

[Cabin]

Yeah another typical f95zone thread that is full of snowflakes
They are playing the game for free and instead of appreciating that what ever the dev does against their wish they decide to be keyboard warriors and gang up on dev
A suggestion to the dev release the game on itchio
That website is way more respectful than this garbage

 

[VoitKO]

Looks interesting !

 

[Fazed]

Maybe his writer is one of his highest paying patreons who wanted to add ntr hence he did it ?

...You realize this situation that you are theorizing is actually how games die right? Ofc you don't because you wouldn't have proposed it as a possible justification.
One guy dumps a bag of money to add some bs 70% of the player base doesn't want then everybody leaves the game. This has happened before in other games, why do you think there is such a backlash about it. I sincerely hope this is NOT what actually happened and it really was just a new writer with a different view on the game universe.

 

[Naxos]

And also when the content is avoidable or you can disable what's the fuss all about ?
He added something extra which is optional


Also stop wishing for the game to be abandoned ppl those who are mindlessly spreading hate

He promised something and then broke that promise. The fact it's avoidable or not is irrelevant. Maybe you're okay with people lying to you, most of us are not.

That said, I agree with your last line. Hopefully he'll learn from his mistake and make it right and go on to a successful game.

LustFight just remember even if your hired a writer, it's your story and they work for you, they need to follow your direction, not the other way around. It's your job to tell them what to do and their job to write the story you want them to.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

Isn't every porn game ntr? I am not the main character in any of them and I am usually not creating the main character so I don't understand why so many people are so angry about it (actually I know but my message will get deleted), its not a cuck game anyways. I like the new animations better than the old ones. And the story seems to be taking a better route but it needs more (dark/sarcastic especially from the bloody girl) humour.

Personally when I play I like immersion, this is identifying myself with the MC. That's why I don't usually like games where you can play with more than one character or with unavoidable NTR or rapes.

 

[Chalker]

>guys, we need more drama in our story!
>alright... just like... make some of the pre-established characters utterly unlikable... and have them actively try to cheat on the male lead...
>brilliant!
Writer award coming up.

 

[SikerDev]

Jesus F Christ you guys.

It feels pointless to try to discuss people's imaginary visions of what this project will be.

In my opinion there's nothing in the update that consitutes a dramatical change of direction for Joy. I think if you've tried it, you'd agree with me. I might be wrong here though, so if I am, feel free to tell me.

I'll stay to discuss the comments on the actual content with those of you who have opinions on that. Any and all feedback about what's in the update is very much welcome.

Thank you. Have a nice day.

 

[Fazed]

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>guys, we need more drama in our story!
>alright... just like... make some of the pre-established characters utterly unlikable... and have them actively try to cheat on the male lead...
>brilliant!
Writer award coming up.

To be completely fair, the idea was that there would be an antagonist that would attempt to take them by force...not them actively trying to betray the MC. Still going back on the promise dont get me wrong, but lets try to keep things fair.

 

[Fazed]

Jesus F Christ you guys.

It feels pointless to try to discuss people's imaginary visions of what this project will be.

In my opinion there's nothing in the update that consitutes a dramatical change of direction for Joy. I think if you've tried it, you'd agree with me. I might be wrong here though, so if I am, feel free to tell me.

I'll stay to discuss the comments on the actual content with those of you who have opinions on that. Any and all feedback about what's in the update is very much welcome.

Thank you. Have a nice day.

You wanna talk about what is in the game then? ok.

Your biggest crime is that you underestimated my utter hatred for Murlocs(At least I hope you know where the sound effect is from). You actually put that sound effect n there and didnt allow me to kill the source of it with my bare hands. Instead I had to watch Maria(She's a cutie btw) attempt to revive it!.

 

[SikerDev]

To be completely fair, the idea was that there would be an antagonist that would attempt to take them by force...not them actively trying to betray the MC. Still going back on the promise dont get me wrong, but lets try to keep things fair.

Thank you. The line between what's NTR and what's not is indeed super blurry. Some people consider any and all sexual content not involving the MC to be NTR. There was never a discussion to add "proper" NTR, (aiming to induce jealosy) nor will there ever be.

 

[Fazed]

I'm not. Where did you get that idea?

>dev says no ntr
>"guys theirs going to be ntr now, new writer said its a good idea"
>crowd yells, "but you said no ntr"
>"okay I'll remove the ntr from the plans"
>writer comes in saying that NTR is still going to be on the table

Idk fam, seems like you are pretty insistent on adding it to the game, despite what the dev originally wanted, and already said he's backtracking on the idea. Sounds like you are trying to take the game by the balls.

This is part of why I said you aren't helping earlier. Anyone looking at this will see conflicting ideals between you and the dev.

 

[Fazed]

Thank you. The line between what's NTR and what's not is indeed super blurry. Some people consider any and all sexual content not involving the MC to be NTR. There was never a discussion to add "proper" NTR, (aiming to induce jealosy) nor will there ever be.

Idk man. What you said earlier didnt inspire any confidence. I am trying to keep things fair from my perspective but that isn't at all the impression you gave earlier.

Bad things can and will happen to characters you care about. Will those "bad things" be sexual in nature? Possibly, but not necessarily. Maybe we need a focus group to discuss this with. And rest assured, it's not going to be done here on f95.

Bad things...of a sexual nature?...Sound like NTR to me. I don't need to explain how that happens right?
These are your words. You posted this after LustFight said he would reconsider(to remove it from planned) so again, being fair, this is not a good look for either of you. Avoidable or not if you add it, it's going back on the original promise. This project got support partly because of this promise so...Don't know how else I can make this clearer.

 

[SikerDev]

>dev says no ntr
>"guys theirs going to be ntr now, new writer said its a good idea"
>crowd yells, "but you said no ntr"
>"okay I'll remove the ntr from the plans"
>writer comes in saying that NTR is still going to be on the table

Idk fam, seems like you are pretty insistent on adding it to the game, despite what the dev originally wanted, and already said he's backtracking on the idea. Sounds like you are trying to take the game by the balls.

Ok I'll explain the actual turn of events.
>Be me
>Discuss with LustFight the possibility of adding some sexual stuff not involving MC
>Arrive at, "hmm, some people might consider this to be NTR" (Even though I personally don't think it is)
>alright, lets flag it then, just to be safe, so people don't kill us later if we decide to go with it
>people kill us immediately instead

 

[Chalker]

Ok I'll explain the actual turn of events.
>Be me
>Discuss with LustFight the possibility of adding some sexual stuff not involving MC
>Arrive at, "hmm, some people might consider this to be NTR" (Even though I personally don't think it is)
>alright, lets flag it then, just to be safe, so people don't kill us later if we decide to go with it
>people kill us immediately instead

>I told them I wouldn't do something
>alright, just flag something else as what you said you aren't going to do!
That sounds even worst, and to be honest sound like back peddling since you literally said

2. We were discussing how to introduce sources of drama to the story, and having horrible shit happen to one or more LI's is one of those ways.

Now to me, this doesn't sound like just "sexual stuff not involving MC", because that implies sharing or swinging. You said "horrible shit" in reference to NTR. So which one is it? their are plans and ideas floating that fall under the subject of ntr like you said in your first post? Or are you back peddling now and only resolved to do swinging content?


Either way, the math isn't really adding up here.

 

[BTLD]

What I don't understand is why would the writer be in charge of the Dev's game, plot, vision. I've never seen the employees run the company while the boss takes orders from them. It doesn't make sense.

who knows man who knows..
but it is weird to see something like that right?
I mean I've never seen it before either...

 

[Badjourasmix]

Ok I'll explain the actual turn of events.
>Be me
>Discuss with LustFight the possibility of adding some sexual stuff not involving MC
>Arrive at, "hmm, some people might consider this to be NTR" (Even though I personally don't think it is)
>alright, lets flag it then, just to be safe, so people don't kill us later if we decide to go with it
>people kill us immediately instead

Lmao
>Let's add something that we promised we wouldn't add and we know there is a good chance our fanbase will hate
>fanbase hates it

 

[-L-L-MJ-]

Be me, see latest updates. Ehh those character models look familiar! checks thread.. wait wasn't this just called "Joy"
browse further. ohh it's renamed, seems dev got himself a writer now... * looks for changelog and tags..*

No NTR, dont wanna make a great NTR war 2022

Oh.. I guess 2023 was the year..

Why you would quote my comedial but actual FACTUAL comment on this, I'm not entirely sure, in a post that is followed up by a rant filled with a accusations or claims that ( in general we wouldn't have tried the new update. ) I sure did as per ;

Let's just say that if this was previously known as "Joy". The new title is spot on for the new "completely remade game" it definitely comes across as cursed now. Compared to older version mc and other characters driven into ruin, dialogue and time / location skips that barely make sense with what was and what is now. It's really cringe.. and a real shame too.

The difference in direction this took is really confusing and really brings up the question why the dev would discard everything he build up in previous version(s) was a pretty decent game if there was backstory or other characters to be introduced he could have done that with flashbacks, not what ever the hell this is.

Hi it's me, Siker, the writer in question. I want to clarify a few things.

1. This is no way me "taking over" anything. Every story element is discussed beforehand and I don't bulldoze my opinion. If I have and idea and LustFight doesn't like it, it's not happening. LustFight has final veto on everything and it's going to remain that way.

2. We were discussing how to introduce sources of drama to the story, and having horrible shit happen to one or more LI's is one of those ways. We are quite on the same page about this not becoming a sugar sweet harem sim, because we want to telll a "real" story. We want to tackle some difficult topics that will bring drama to the story. NTR-like things happening seemed like an interesting option. The idea was never NTR-for-the-sake-of-NTR, the intent was to introduce sources of drama and to explain motivations for revenge to the characters. (Think Bravehart or Berserk for reference). So we threw it in there to keep options open. Will we/won't we? The future will tell. There's going to be a discussion. The NTR tag seems so poisonous that I don't know if it's worth it from a marketing perspective. But on the other hand I'm also just as likely to argue for it, because of artistic integrity. I still think it's a great source of drama. One thing is for certain though: Bad things can and will happen to characters you care about. Will those "bad things" be sexual in nature? Possibly, but not necessarily. Maybe we need a focus group to discuss this with. And rest assured, it's not going to be done here on f95.

3. If this project is me "adding my fetishes" or whatever, to the story, then it has already happened. I like stuff like a proper build-up and aftermath to scenes. I like to build an emotional connection that seems believable, where possible. There's absolutely no NTR in this update and yet I'm quite happy with the "fetishes" (in quotation marks, because it's a stupid discussion) that were added.

4. Have you guys even tried it? Are you crying and screaming about an update you haven't even tried? I get that impression.

Anyway that's my 2 cents.

We'll keep discussing this further.

1. Personally I am mostly confused/astonished by the change of direction not even mentioning the "ntr" why did the dev feel like it needed a complete remake like this? Came as a total surprise to me and unfortunately what is there now has nothing to do with was previously established.

2. That's just shortsighted, you say you wanted ways to introduce drama you don't need ntr for that, that's just the easiest story trope to introduce, that being the case it shows your shortcomings as a writer already especially in something that was stated to be harem and have no ntr by the developer himself! I can't believe how you guys are trying to play the victim here and act all dumbfounded by any outlash over this. Though, maybe true to dev's word he didn't introduce it in 2022!

That isn't really my gripe anyway, between "sorrow" and "joy" as it was, joy seemed a big leap forward for the dev, in story telling anyway. With this remake it's unfortunately closer to "sorrow" again. gotta love these names, they seem to speak volumes.

anyways goodluck to you both.