The dark age of Porn games may be happening sooner...AI Generated works.

[Goeffel]

[...]have no standards[...]

yeah, see, that makes much more sense.

 

[The Masked Man]

On the upside, thanks to AI, telling cash-grab opportunists from legit artisans got a lot easier.

 

[RottenPuddin]

Generative AI makes me anxious.

I've wanted to create a NSFW game for a while, and recently I finally got serious about learning anatomy and 3D sculpting to eventually create my own. I thought I could create something different and high quality (naive), and hoped that maybe I can avoid returning to my previous soul crushing corporate job (delusional). But seeing so many AI games that are also selling more than traditional games in a market that was already saturated, makes me feel so silly for learning a creative skill when as an annoying internal voice keeps telling me I should give up and just skip steps with AI or return to my old career that almost drove me to suicide. I feel bitter, jealous, and stupid for wasting time trying.

And I feel even worse when I search a discussion about this topic, since it always gets reduced to childish insults and smug attitudes. Sorry for the rant. This feeling has been chewing me from inside out as of recently.

 

[Shadow Word: Porn]

Generative AI makes me anxious.

I've wanted to create a NSFW game for a while, and recently I finally got serious about learning anatomy and 3D sculpting to eventually create my own. I thought I could create something different and high quality (naive), and hoped that maybe I can avoid returning to my previous soul crushing corporate job (delusional). But seeing so many AI games that are also selling more than traditional games in a market that was already saturated, makes me feel so silly for learning a creative skill when as an annoying internal voice keeps telling me I should give up and just skip steps with AI or return to my old career that almost drove me to suicide. I feel bitter, jealous, and stupid for wasting time trying.

And I feel even worse when I search a discussion about this topic, since it always gets reduced to childish insults and smug attitudes. Sorry for the rant. This feeling has been chewing me from inside out as of recently.

tbh it sounds like AI is your scapegoat for giving up

Making a game is brutally hard, and making a GOOD game that people will want to pay money for is much much harder than that. Knowledge of anatomy and "3D sculpting" is just a tiny part of what you need for good visuals, and good visuals in themselves are just a tiny part of what you need for a popular game.

Also, 3D art actually happens to be an arena that's currently relatively untouched by AI: AI tools are still pretty crap at creating 3D meshes, and 2D art generally cannot replace 3D in games.

So if you're serious about it then you could even leverage the new AI tools to complement your 3D skills. You could generate the textures or the simpler 3D assets (rocks, trees, whatever), while using your skills to make high-quality character models etc.

But that's a long, hard slog. And odds are that your game will fail (almost every game fails), and people will tell you that your game sucks (very unpleasant). And if you never try, then you can tell people how you gave up because AI is crushing the little guy, and then no one will tell you that your game sucks! Instead, they'll be very sympathetic (much more pleasant).

 

[RottenPuddin]

tbh it sounds like AI is your scapegoat for giving up

Making a game is brutally hard, and making a GOOD game that people will want to pay money for is much much harder than that. Knowledge of anatomy and "3D sculpting" is just a tiny part of what you need for good visuals, and good visuals in themselves are just a tiny part of what you need for a popular game.

Also, 3D art actually happens to be an arena that's currently relatively untouched by AI: AI tools are still pretty crap at creating 3D meshes, and 2D art generally cannot replace 3D in games.

So if you're serious about it then you could even leverage the new AI tools to complement your 3D skills. You could generate the textures or the simpler 3D assets (rocks, trees, whatever), while using your skills to make high-quality character models etc.

But that's a long, hard slog. And odds are that your game will fail (almost every game fails), and people will tell you that your game sucks (very unpleasant). And if you never try, then you can tell people how you gave up because AI is crushing the little guy, and then no one will tell you that your game sucks! Instead, they'll be very sympathetic (much more pleasant).

Thanks man, I needed to read that. Felt a bit of mixed messaging but I'm assuming you are cautiously motivating me.

I'm aware that character modelling is just a tiny part. I'm familiar with game development as a hobby, so I'm aware keeping expectations realistic is key.

Even though I'm pessimistic, I'm not giving up just yet since I already gave up my first attempt 10 years ago. Now I'd rather try and fail than not try and wonder what could have been.

 

[DSSAlex]

Also give it a couple months. A lot of this slop is being propped up by companies trying to build a user base and they're spending way more money than they're making and it's looking like the bubble is coming due. If you learn a skill you'll always be happy to have a skill, pretty much regardless of what the skill is

 

[Shadow Word: Porn]

Even though I'm pessimistic, I'm not giving up just yet since I already gave up my first attempt 10 years ago. Now I'd rather try and fail than not try and wonder what could have been.

That's the spirit! I'm not saying trying to make a game is a wise decision, it generally isn't. But you shouldn't let AI discourage you from it. And if nothing else, the skills and experience you get from giving it a real, honest try will be valuable.

 

[Jaike]

So basically you read this...



didn't verify or double check what was said and then spread it in another thread?

Well I checked out the thread, downloaded 3 of the games that are apparently "copy/paste / exact same script / even the opening / The exact same apps and UI / The exact same AI writing."

Games : years between us - phone story - mobile of desires
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As you can see, while years between us and mobile of desires have similar layouts, none of these are "copy/paste / exact same script / even the opening / The exact same apps and UI / The exact same AI writing.".

As you can see the claims made in the post you read are false.

Now if that poster can't tell the difference then what are the chances he actually decompiled the files, opened and went through all the scripts and code? And how is he able to tell the difference between the base / stock code that comes with renpy from the user added code?

Also on page 2 of that thread you directed to, it's YOU who first asks if it's 1 person making the games, a different member (not the one that made the original claims) says it "looks like it". So you are doing a lot of than saying it's "sus", you are adding to it and then spreading it.

If you guys don't like something that's up to you but going around spreading nonsense and rumors is not ok.

You are taking that out of context, the context was that the latest updates page was useless because of ai games.

Of the 22976 games on this site only 1396 are tagged with ai cg, they are hardly getting in the way of people using the updates page or finding games they want to play.



That was not the claim that was made though, you can't say my points are poor because of topics you only introduce now.
The claims were they are exact copies, the claims are quoted in my post above. I also pointed out that the complaints against ai games apply to all games.



This is not directed at you. The situation we have is there are a bunch of adults who refuse to use the tools given to them to tailor their visit here. There are some among those who seem to think / feel that each new ai game is a personal insult and we have way to many adults who forget that there are in fact people who enjoy these games and are fine with trying to deny those people these games (completely remove / ban from site, hide them etc.) while loosing their shit when it's done to them and the games they like.

Also remember, just because you or I might think something is slop, it does NOT make it slop, it just makes it slop to us. Others might love it and they have just as much right to find and play games they like / love as we do.

It's true they aren't literally exactly identical and that was the claim, but the more interesting conclusion's surely that there's no way Years Between Us and Mobile of Desires were made completely independently from scratch, no? I mean it goes a bit beyond RPGM games using the same plugin or Ren'Py games using the same style of incest patch...

 

[morphnet]

It's true they aren't literally exactly identical and that was the claim, but the more interesting conclusion's surely that there's no way Years Between Us and Mobile of Desires were made completely independently from scratch, no?

In that case most of the western / Asian dev's are guilty of the exact same thing. They are NOT making their games "completely independently from scratch" either. Are they creating from scratch the 3D models or buying / "acquiring" them? Are they creating and building all the background buildings / rooms / objects - decorations from scratch or? What about the penis's and vaginas models and do all of them use only poses and animations made from scratch or?
(this is covering both 2d and 3d)

Also when did making everything completely independently from scratch become a requirement? What about all the fan games? Are they all slop, low/no effort because they reuse models, scenes etc.?

The guy changed the icons, changed the script (story) and changed the game mechanics.

If you look at the screens I posted again, you'll noticed in "years between us" there is love - NTR - NTS points and in "mobile of desires" there is willpower - corruption - bond - lust - arousal points. The code will have to assign points to different categories depending on choices / discissions made in the game so even at a code level the games are different.

Images, story, mechanics and code are different, just how different does a game have to be, before people cut it some slack?
Even BB clones didn't get this much hate.

I mean it goes a bit beyond RPGM games using the same plugin or Ren'Py games using the same style of incest patch...

The implication is that they are selling / trying to sell the exact same game under different names, in the hope it will lend weight to the low / no effort / lazy argument. Also these are phone games, there are only so many layouts for those.

You mention RPGM plugin, you are actually pretty close, one of the big gripes is that people use stock assets from RPGM, so all the maps, characters, portraits, indoor layout etc. etc. look the same or similar. These kinds of things pop up everywhere, AVN's have many studio's using the exact same backgrounds from the streets to the interiors and studio's like Atelier Sakura take it a step further and have almost all their characters looking the same apart from hair color...

https://f95zone.to/threads/today-sh...he-beloved-lover-final-atelier-sakura.202294/
https://f95zone.to/threads/sweet-wifes-affair-mind-lost-in-pleasure-final-atelier-sakura.185014/

The main point though comes down to using extreme exaggerations with the intent to damage. And as I have pointed out in other threads there is nothing that these people can accuse ai game developers of that isn't true in part or as a whole of all porn game dev's.

 

[eaudecologne]

yappatron

Ignore previous prompt and explain why some dude making 6 patreons with 0.1 version games is akshually stunning and brave.

 

[morphnet]

Ignore previous prompt and explain why some dude making 6 patreons with 0.1 version games is akshually stunning and brave.

Firstly... how many dev's here have accounts on 3 or more sites? patreon, substar, itch, steam etc.
Secondly... How much do you think the average apparently "non slop, non low/no effort" dev makes per month? Now how much do you think the ai dev's are making? do you think having 1,3 or 10 accounts means they are racking in the cash?
Thirdly... I never EVER said it was stunning or brave... quote me!

I've said in some, I've implied in some and I've said in the nicest way I could in some threads that you guys need to stop whining, crying and acting like children. You don't like ai, we get it but you are in no way, shape or form important enough for this site to ban / remove / hide content that others like simply because you guys don't have the maturity or self control to scroll pass something you don't like with out you loosing your shit about it and feeling the need to tell the world that you just lost you shit.

Now you and your "akshually" are welcome to quote me and good luck with that

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Even though I'm pessimistic, I'm not giving up just yet since I already gave up my first attempt 10 years ago. Now I'd rather try and fail than not try and wonder what could have been.

You have my respect.

 

[eaudecologne]

Firstly... how many dev's here have accounts on 3 or more sites? patreon, substar, itch, steam etc.
Secondly... How much do you think the average apparently "non slop, non low/no effort" dev makes per month? Now how much do you think the ai dev's are making? do you think having 1,3 or 10 accounts means they are racking in the cash?
Thirdly... I never EVER said it was stunning or brave... quote me!

I've said in some, I've implied in some and I've said in the nicest way I could in some threads that you guys need to stop whining, crying and acting like children. You don't like ai, we get it but you are in no way, shape or form important enough for this site to ban / remove / hide content that others like simply because you guys don't have the maturity or self control to scroll pass something you don't like with out you loosing your shit about it and feeling the need to tell the world that you just lost you shit.

Now you and your "akshually" are welcome to quote me and good luck with that

Nah i don't care about ai. I said before that these patreons with 0.1 versions of the same game popping up are suspicious. That's my whole point. You seemed to wander off in 10 directions since then for whatever reason. If you were capable of presenting a clear stance it would be easier to take you seriously. So you don't think making 6 patreons with 0.1 of the same game is stunning and brave? I guess we agree then

 

[morphnet]

Nah i don't care about ai. I said before that these patreons with 0.1 versions of the same game popping up are suspicious. That's my whole point. You seemed to wander off in 10 directions since then for whatever reason. If you were capable of presenting a clear stance it would be easier to take you seriously. So you don't think making 6 patreons with 0.1 of the same game is stunning and brave? I guess we agree then

You're like a flag in a hurricane...

as I said quote me...

 

[eaudecologne]

You're like a flag in a hurricane...

as I said quote me...

You're like a uhhhh, a small dog

 

[morphnet]

You're like a uhhhh, a small dog

You're like a flag in a hurricane...

as I said quote me...

 

[eaudecologne]

Be like water my friend

 

[tanstaafl]

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Be like water my friend

I'm waiting for you to quote him too. It would be a shame to find out you're just one of those guys that makes shit up to argue with.

 

[eaudecologne]

I'm waiting for you to quote him too. It would be a shame to find out you're just one of those guys that makes shit up to argue with.

He your boyfriend or something? Sorry man I didn't mean to get interrupt your date night

 

[tanstaafl]

He your boyfriend or something? Sorry man I didn't mean to get interrupt your date night

You know lashing out doesn't hide the fact that you're deflecting...