The Daz Studio and Related Product Deals Thread (Daz3D, Renderosity, Renderotica, etc.)
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Yes, extremely disappointing.
I don't mind paying for a membership that offers some advantages over normal prices, if you box clever you can usually recoup the cost of the membership; however, the big NOPE is:
As for the "Exclusive" products, in typical "Daz Customer Loyalty mode" some of the previous "Exclusive" products have eventually lost their exclusivity ...
[EDIT] Just going through the current Premiere Sale deals ... what used to be 30% off for Daz+ members has now been reduced to 20%, kind of a big slap in the face: "You've been a loyal member for a long while now, so now Fuck Off, we want new friends" [/EDIT]
I don't mind paying for a membership that offers some advantages over normal prices, if you box clever you can usually recoup the cost of the membership; however, the big NOPE is:
I will not buy anything that I don't own, renting assets is a big NO, even accepting that they'll probably be out of date by the time the subscription ends ...
As for the "Exclusive" products, in typical "Daz Customer Loyalty mode" some of the previous "Exclusive" products have eventually lost their exclusivity ...
Yes, that is bound to happen, as I recall, a big portion of the catalogue had a price hike relatively recently (I track prices on the Daz-Deals plugin), so they will probably aim to make the Premiere Discounts align to the current Daz+ ones and reduce the Daz+ benefit.
[EDIT] Just going through the current Premiere Sale deals ... what used to be 30% off for Daz+ members has now been reduced to 20%, kind of a big slap in the face: "You've been a loyal member for a long while now, so now Fuck Off, we want new friends" [/EDIT]
NOPE again, I have all the Pro Bundles for those products, I feel the Pro bundles have always been a better deal than the Starter bundles because of the inherent discount; for example the Walter 9 Pro Bundle has 11 products, the Starter Bundle has 5 and the 'Premiere' bundle has 5. The difference between the Starter and the 'Premiere' is 1 product, both of which are in the Pro ... why bother?
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So I saw
I'm awaiting confirmation that this is indeed the case, just figured that I'd point this out. The rest of the criticisms that people have been pointing out still apply of course.
Of course, Daz+ just jumped from around $70 a year (before discounts) to $120/year... hopefully the quarterly/yearly options are retained/restored.
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in the Premier Questions thread that seems to imply that you get to keep your current expiry date for Daz+, the 'offer' for x number of free months does not displace/replace your Daz+ membership. If that is the case, that's a little better in my mind, as your Daz+ membership should remain in place should you choose to opt out of Daz Premier.I'm awaiting confirmation that this is indeed the case, just figured that I'd point this out. The rest of the criticisms that people have been pointing out still apply of course.
Of course, Daz+ just jumped from around $70 a year (before discounts) to $120/year... hopefully the quarterly/yearly options are retained/restored.
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I'm taking a back seat from these shenanigans. Just hope those few months left on my DAZ+ don't get nuked.
Hopefully I'll see some discounts for my favorite whishlist items by Aeon Soul until my DAZ+ time expires. After that there's always Renderhub of course, and all the black sites to play around with.
Maybe they're hoping to scores mostly new users this way.
Hopefully I'll see some discounts for my favorite whishlist items by Aeon Soul until my DAZ+ time expires. After that there's always Renderhub of course, and all the black sites to play around with.
Maybe they're hoping to scores mostly new users this way.
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I thought it was a Pro Bundle too. Unbelievable.
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I sincerely hope they receive a decent amount of backslash and rethink some of these decisions. But it's just some hopeful thinking, I know.
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Still a NOPE from me, I won't run the risk of "renting" products, I already got stung by a couple of products that changed from Standard License to 'IP License' ...
The level of trust in Daz reduces with each new sales policy ...
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Anyone know what DFAQ this means?
Is it now pot-luck how many tokens you get on a purchase?
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“The more you buy, the more you save” bullshit aside, I’m actually interested in the software upgrades (
This is just a big middle finger to existing customers and Daz+ users. Even if you are not interested in upgrading to Premier, Daz+ now costs more and has worse store prices than before. And just get fucked, I guess, if you had a long subscription left, because you can’t get a refund.
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). Render queue, geometry sculpting, character and pose converters? These are good perks. But why for $20 a month? Why are these QoL features exclusive to Premier and not put in the base version of Daz Studio? Daz is an objectively obsolete software without these basic features, and the gap to other softwares is getting wider. People who want these things are already using plugins, store products, or just exporting to Blender/Zbrush. (Oh, but now you can get an integrated exporter behind that paywall. Joy!)This is just a big middle finger to existing customers and Daz+ users. Even if you are not interested in upgrading to Premier, Daz+ now costs more and has worse store prices than before. And just get fucked, I guess, if you had a long subscription left, because you can’t get a refund.
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The forum is pretty sure, and I am too at this point, that those are just repackaged versions of existing plugins, namely the ManFriday ones:
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Maybe there is some additional functionality there that we can't get by just buying these plugins, but I kind of doubt it honestly.+
EDIT: The sculpting is actually new and exclusive for now, ManFriday was working on that though and I think I also saw a forum post about it, so it could also come to the plugin as update.
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Surely, I'm being paranoid here. But one aspect that is making me feel uneasy about the current monthly plan subscriptions is: what happens to those of us who have current subscriptions going on? My Daz+ membership expires by the end of November next year, since I paid for one more year few months ago. Do the new monthly subscription plans mean that they are going to charge me 9.99 dollars at the beginning of each month now? 
I'm opening a support ticket right now asking about that.
I'm opening a support ticket right now asking about that.
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The amount of people complaining in the forums is sky high. I hope that whoever came up with this fucking bullshit of a plan is reading those feedbacks.
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These features integrated with Daz does look good, but the fact that they are locked behind a sub is big fuck you for me.
I'm can't find the Render Queue 3 product any more. Found it yesterday, but today it seems to be out of the store. It's in my product library, but it has been pulled from the store.
So you can no longer add that particular set of functionalities without DAZ Premier. There are other queue tools.
Not liking this. Keeping those backups.
So you can no longer add that particular set of functionalities without DAZ Premier. There are other queue tools.
Not liking this. Keeping those backups.
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Still annoyed with the whole Premier situation. I should know better than expect anything else from the Daz3D.com sales team though.
I'm probably going to skip the whole Premier thing for now, and probably start shopping less. Lightning deals today have been pretty 'meh' compared to last month.
BTW, there's a thread in the Developer (private) forum here on F95Zone for those of you that have the developer tag, if you want to follow other people's experience with Premier, at least as far as features go.
Someone PMed me 'making more pirates' in response to the current clusterfuck. At least people that participate in/follow this thread are TRYING to find good deals that will fit their budgets better, it doesn't help when sales teams are behaving like asshats.
I probably should start shopping at Renderosity more again maybe. Or those other places. Or just be content with what I have and call it a day.
I'm probably going to skip the whole Premier thing for now, and probably start shopping less. Lightning deals today have been pretty 'meh' compared to last month.
BTW, there's a thread in the Developer (private) forum here on F95Zone for those of you that have the developer tag, if you want to follow other people's experience with Premier, at least as far as features go.
Someone PMed me 'making more pirates' in response to the current clusterfuck. At least people that participate in/follow this thread are TRYING to find good deals that will fit their budgets better, it doesn't help when sales teams are behaving like asshats.
I probably should start shopping at Renderosity more again maybe. Or those other places. Or just be content with what I have and call it a day.
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I've also decided to stop spending a single penny on the Daz Store for now. This all Premier introduction is just a veiled way of increasing prices on the store in general. And now, the old king, Daz+, has lost most of its appeal. There's not another way of understanding the new status quo.
I've been a big spender on the store since I became Daz+ less than a year ago, trust me. I've spent lots of money on gift cards during this time (in fact, I still have a lot of store credit left on my account).
As many of you surely know already, gift card sales and having store credit is the best way to save money on the store, especially for us customers who buy a lot. Could anyone tell me where's the incentive at this moment to keep doing what I've been doing for months if now I'm being "mistreated"? Just a graphic example that speaks for itself. The current gift card sale discount is 30 %, yes, but guess what: only if you are Premier. We, Daz+ folks, can only get a gift card with a %20 discount. If at least, they'd offered us a more attractive upgrade alternative... But no, that's not the case.
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I don't see how you can make Premiere more "attractive"; renting products after paying a non refundable deposit (of up to a measly 50% discount off the MSRP) makes no sense, even if you can mitigate the "Rent" by increasing the number of products rented. Any product, scene, character, shader or tool you use in creating your own artifacts becomes unusable, even if you have customised them, when, for whatever reason, you no longer pay the 'Rent'.
Time to start learning another tool, Blender probably ...
I wonder about this. What happens if the other Artists, not just on Renderosity, use the 'Exclusive' Premiere models as the base for their products (the Premiere version of the next Generation of Character, for example)?
Keep in mind that Premier will auto-renew, so if they ARE letting you keep your Daz+ months plus the free Premier months, it's really just a way to get people on the auto-renew cycle. (I mean, if you try it for free and see value in it and want to renew, that's fine, but opt out renewal is so often a dark pattern.)
Factor in the presence of content that goes away when you end your subscription, this is just... just no.
and DAZ just delisted these! this might be hinting that DAZ is going to let the free version go behind and paywall any QoL plugin and/or feature. while making DS5 subscription only (whenever it comes out), but knowing that DAZ is likely loosing so much money and bleeding PAs and customers, this is the writing on the wall that DAZ is pretty much isn't going to be around for much longer
We know they're not bleeding PAs, given all the renderosity vendors who JUST joined Daz in the last couple months.
Companies try boneheaded things to maximize profits all the time, it doesn't mean they're losing money. Imagine if you'd said "oh, this NFT crap means the writing is on the wall and DAZ isn't going to be around much longer" and here we are three years later.
We'll see if they course correct or not.
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To be clear, this really isn't the same as NFTs. 25+ years ago Daz produced content for Poser, then 20 years ago they released Daz Studio for free; in some ways it was superior to Poser, and they were clearly creating it as a "loss leader" to sell more Daz products. It's not supposed to be a profit center on its own, it's what generates most of the sales of the products.
Creating a "premium" version of Daz Studio undermines their whole philosophy of the last 20 years. It smacks of some new business asshole saying "we're spending all this money on developing Daz Studio and not getting any revenue from it" and concluding they should make a pay version. Might as well hop on the subscription service bandwagon while they're at it.
BTW the free version has actually been branded "Daz Studio Pro" for a long time, boy howdy the marketing shits were hoist by their own petards when they went to name the premium version.
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