The Daz Studio and Related Product Deals Thread (Daz3D, Renderosity, Renderotica, etc.)
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He's not quite the home landing guy 
. As long as you're not endorsing it to be that or calling it by that name , it's a parody, tribute or cosplay or something. A number of characters look similar to certain other characters or people, but as long as nobody is cutting in to a company's action, this is just a cartoonish tribute/parody. It's not like Rule34 stuff is being blasted left and right either. Fanart. IMHO.
. As long as you're not endorsing it to be that or calling it by that name , it's a parody, tribute or cosplay or something. A number of characters look similar to certain other characters or people, but as long as nobody is cutting in to a company's action, this is just a cartoonish tribute/parody. It's not like Rule34 stuff is being blasted left and right either. Fanart. IMHO.
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FAQ that clarifies some stuff about the premier subscription:
The "free legacy content" is actually just the free stuff they always have.
The plugins are indeed now gone, no more updates for the ones from the store, and they will be exclusive to Daz Premier from now on.
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The "free legacy content" is actually just the free stuff they always have.
The plugins are indeed now gone, no more updates for the ones from the store, and they will be exclusive to Daz Premier from now on.
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3. Will there be Quarterly and Yearly Options for Daz+ and Premier?
- No, there are currently no plans to offer options other than monthly subscriptions.
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Good job I didn't download the 4.23 update ...
The update makes no difference. I have the Render Queue 3 and Dforce Companion plugins and they work fine, and I'm not expecting too big of an update blitz on the Premier version, since they're pretty stable and working fine by now.
Interesting they chose "Premier" for their new tier. Adobe Premiere isn't really known for being good these days. Just a sidenote, but still not a good name association in my book.
I'm tempted to create an image of a well dressed troll shaking coins loose from a vanilla character held by the ankles, possibly on a bridge. Or an image of a vanilla character contemplating which clothing store to go in to. DAZ,RH,RR, with the DAZ store having two entrances now.
Anyone have some other ideas what could depict this mess in an appropriate manner ?
Interesting they chose "Premier" for their new tier. Adobe Premiere isn't really known for being good these days. Just a sidenote, but still not a good name association in my book.
I'm tempted to create an image of a well dressed troll shaking coins loose from a vanilla character held by the ankles, possibly on a bridge. Or an image of a vanilla character contemplating which clothing store to go in to. DAZ,RH,RR, with the DAZ store having two entrances now.
Anyone have some other ideas what could depict this mess in an appropriate manner ?
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Now we get to see what the exclusive content looks like:
I am kind of fine not having that shape add-on.
But for the free bundle coupon they seem to be making these character bundles in a way that you get the free character bundle, and then another optional paid add-on bundle, and together it looks like they would end up like a pro bundle. I suspect they might even release a "Vicky 9 Pro Bundle" at some point, which will just be both character bundle and add-on bundle together.
That's better then I originally thought it would work, I thought there would be a paid pro bundle, and then another smaller character bundle that Premier subscribers can get for free which contains a portion of the pro bundle, cause then if you wanted the entire bundle you'd have to buy the same stuff twice.
At least with both character bundle and add-on bundle you can then get one for free and if you want you can purchase the other at some point, instead of having to buy the entire pro bundle just to get the other half of it (or having to puzzle it together by buying the individual items).
In terms of the new anime shader that Vicky 9 is all about, that should actually be available to everyone.
EDIT: If you want to think about this free bundle in terms of "value", I guess it would be 5-10$ at most. It is a small bundle and the full price is 99$, but usually these can go for >90% relatively often, so around 5$ would be what I consider the "best achievable buying price" for this.
I am kind of fine not having that shape add-on.
But for the free bundle coupon they seem to be making these character bundles in a way that you get the free character bundle, and then another optional paid add-on bundle, and together it looks like they would end up like a pro bundle. I suspect they might even release a "Vicky 9 Pro Bundle" at some point, which will just be both character bundle and add-on bundle together.
That's better then I originally thought it would work, I thought there would be a paid pro bundle, and then another smaller character bundle that Premier subscribers can get for free which contains a portion of the pro bundle, cause then if you wanted the entire bundle you'd have to buy the same stuff twice.
At least with both character bundle and add-on bundle you can then get one for free and if you want you can purchase the other at some point, instead of having to buy the entire pro bundle just to get the other half of it (or having to puzzle it together by buying the individual items).
In terms of the new anime shader that Vicky 9 is all about, that should actually be available to everyone.
EDIT: If you want to think about this free bundle in terms of "value", I guess it would be 5-10$ at most. It is a small bundle and the full price is 99$, but usually these can go for >90% relatively often, so around 5$ would be what I consider the "best achievable buying price" for this.
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Yes, but some of the products use 'FilaToon' shaders which requires 4.23 [EDIT] Not mentioned in their 'Compatible Software' list [/EDIT] ... which may or may not remain backward compatible ...
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There's some good discounts right now for a few G9 Bundles
If you add a new release (it worked for me with a $2,79 daz+ item), you get some more price reduction.
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If you add a new release (it worked for me with a $2,79 daz+ item), you get some more price reduction.
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Just gotta say, the FilaToon promo renders do look pretty cool. My muse is still stuck in Iray land, but if I was ever going to change styles and wanted to learn a new rendering engine, yeah the FilaToon stuff is a nice change, especially in this day and age of AI toon characters dominating the internet.
I haven't been keeping up with render times using Filament, I remember something about Filament being less resource intensive, but I have almost no hands on experience with Filament. Others can comment on this.
I'm still quite happy with DS 4.16 though.
Also, this is the first week that I completely gave up on Daz sales in general and particularly at Daz3D.com. My three hour check lightning deals ritual ended about the time that the Daz3D.com sales team changed the membership model. A lot of us have been bitching about this, and I've decided that I'm done spending for now, occasional killer deal aside, but the easiest way I can summarize the price increase.
Old Daz3D Daz+ yearly membership:
New Daz3D Daz+ monthly plan
So a 67% increase in cost/loss in value.
If you are new to Daz Studio, yeah you pretty much still don't have much choice when trying to eek out value, the point is that with rising asset prices in the Daz3D.com store, Daz+ is worth a lot less than it was a couple of years ago, which might eplain why so many Daz Studio regular shoppers are disappointed in the new pricing structure.
You can argue that Daz Premier is a better value, but only if you are plannint on spending a minimum of say around $50 a month to fully take advantage of the included discounts.
Daz Premier monthly plan
In short, if you are new to Daz Studio assets purchasing, and can stomach spending $35 a more (probably more like $50 minimum), yeah I think you can eek out a decent amount of value, but for those of us with limited Daz+ budgets, yeah this is a kick in the teeth to longtime customers.
The 'bonus bundles' that Premier offers definitely make it more attractive if you've embraced Genesis 9. I won't fault anyone here that chooses to get a Premier subscription, the point is that the 'old pricing/sales regime' has been left in the dust. And this is the first time I don't feel bad about not checking the Daz3d.com site every three hours in months...
Just means more time to spend rendering and dialing in fun characters. So long and thanks for all the fish Daz3D.com sales team!
Just had to vent some more guys.
I haven't been keeping up with render times using Filament, I remember something about Filament being less resource intensive, but I have almost no hands on experience with Filament. Others can comment on this.
I'm still quite happy with DS 4.16 though.
Also, this is the first week that I completely gave up on Daz sales in general and particularly at Daz3D.com. My three hour check lightning deals ritual ended about the time that the Daz3D.com sales team changed the membership model. A lot of us have been bitching about this, and I've decided that I'm done spending for now, occasional killer deal aside, but the easiest way I can summarize the price increase.
Old Daz3D Daz+ yearly membership:
$3/mo (approx if @50% off, $6/mo full price)
+ $12/mo (to use the $6 off $18 coupon on select items)
$15+ month total minimum spend w/ 6 off 18 coupon
New Daz3D Daz+ monthly plan
$10/mo (approx)
+ $12/mo (to use the $6 off $18 coupon on select items)
$25+ month total minimum spend w/ 6 off 18 coupon
So a 67% increase in cost/loss in value.
If you are new to Daz Studio, yeah you pretty much still don't have much choice when trying to eek out value, the point is that with rising asset prices in the Daz3D.com store, Daz+ is worth a lot less than it was a couple of years ago, which might eplain why so many Daz Studio regular shoppers are disappointed in the new pricing structure.
You can argue that Daz Premier is a better value, but only if you are plannint on spending a minimum of say around $50 a month to fully take advantage of the included discounts.
Daz Premier monthly plan
$20/mo (approx)
+ $15/mo (to use the $10 off $25 coupon)
$35+ month total minimum spend w/ 10 off 25 coupon
And this doesn't even take into account the token situation, which is much worse for people that choose to not do Daz+ or Premier.In short, if you are new to Daz Studio assets purchasing, and can stomach spending $35 a more (probably more like $50 minimum), yeah I think you can eek out a decent amount of value, but for those of us with limited Daz+ budgets, yeah this is a kick in the teeth to longtime customers.
The 'bonus bundles' that Premier offers definitely make it more attractive if you've embraced Genesis 9. I won't fault anyone here that chooses to get a Premier subscription, the point is that the 'old pricing/sales regime' has been left in the dust. And this is the first time I don't feel bad about not checking the Daz3d.com site every three hours in months...
Just means more time to spend rendering and dialing in fun characters. So long and thanks for all the fish Daz3D.com sales team!
Just had to vent some more guys.
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You can use 4.21/4.22 if you extract in another folder though. No need to overwrite everything. I have the 4.16/4.21 and 4.22 installed and they open fine. I do recommend at least the 4.21 or the 4.22.15, the loading for G8 is significantly faster. The main problem is that it breaks that third-party ghost light.
But the rest I agree completely. It's very disappointing this new sub system and their prices. I bought mine last December for $35 bidens (the yearly deal was $70 for those unaware). It's a $120 now. WTF.
I've been reading the forum this last few days and, for I have seen so far, many people are converting from Daz+ to the premier, but I have no idea about base going to premier. If their bet pays off, we can say goodbye to a yearly plan.
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The one aspect that has annoyed me the most with the introduction of the Premier plan is the option I've been offered to shift my subscription to Premier. Daz, how can you think that it's a good idea to offer two free months of your new top tier sub plan to somebody who currently has an ongoing Daz+ sub running until almost the end of next year? For God's sake! Where's the common sense in that proposition?
If at least they would let customers who have their Daz+ subs still running for many more months from now to stay Daz+ in the case they opt for not renewing the Premier sub one month, then it would be less painful for the customer to accept the offer. But that's not the case. It's all or nothing. You want Premier? Then stick to it or become a base customer instead, your choice. Well, my choice is to stick to Daz+ and start spending much less than I used to before the introduction of Premier.
That's my plan for the coming months. Once the expiration date of my Daz+ plan draws near, many months ahead, I'll see what's best for my interests.
If at least they would let customers who have their Daz+ subs still running for many more months from now to stay Daz+ in the case they opt for not renewing the Premier sub one month, then it would be less painful for the customer to accept the offer. But that's not the case. It's all or nothing. You want Premier? Then stick to it or become a base customer instead, your choice. Well, my choice is to stick to Daz+ and start spending much less than I used to before the introduction of Premier.
That's my plan for the coming months. Once the expiration date of my Daz+ plan draws near, many months ahead, I'll see what's best for my interests.
I apologise if I am stating the obvious, but do I understand correctly, that in practice, if one has already plugins like mesh grabber, render queue, pose converter, etc. the only extra thing they will get from Daz Premier is the improved mesh grabber ?
Also, there seems to be a kind of ambiguity, it is obvious that if you have the premier and then go out, you will not have access anymore to stuff, but it also give the doubt (a question I asked to Daz support, no answer) that if you drop out of premium, since you will be forced to log on periodically (not only at activation), you may end up losing the extra content, but i wonder if you will also have to reinstall the software (I know they talk about only the plugins, but has anybody tried ?).
From one side, Daz implies that those plugins would not work with 4.23, from the other, I have a doubt, given the phrase below " The new geometry editor was never released in the store. Additionally, the other plugins were never released in the store in their current state. All of them have received additional integration and enhancements. The previous versions of the plugins are no longer sold in the store."
It sound to me like aside the new mesh grabber mesh editor function, the others are only slightly improved (for render queue) versions of the same plugin, and they removed the old plugins because they will work with 4.23, and they are afraid that people will start using them with 4.23 and see no reason to move from "buy plugin once, use forever" to "pay every month for the plugin" (I did not do an exact calculation, but my estimate, considering occasional discounts, is that with 5 or 6 months of premier, one has already paid the plugins, putting aside the possibility of using the other discounts from premier, but that require spending even more).
The free bundle seems the most economically interesting thing of premier, but at the same time, sounds likes it is very interesting and even very convenient if one is already going to buy a bundle a month, but if one buys one/two bundles a year, it becomes rather expensive.
About using the original plugins with 4.23, next week I am going to be back to my Daz computer with 4.22 and the plugins, will try to install 4.23 (free) on top and see what happens. And I have another computer where I can install 4.23 (free) from scratch and the plugins from scratch, so I can see also that situation how it goes, if anybody is interested.
Also, there seems to be a kind of ambiguity, it is obvious that if you have the premier and then go out, you will not have access anymore to stuff, but it also give the doubt (a question I asked to Daz support, no answer) that if you drop out of premium, since you will be forced to log on periodically (not only at activation), you may end up losing the extra content, but i wonder if you will also have to reinstall the software (I know they talk about only the plugins, but has anybody tried ?).
From one side, Daz implies that those plugins would not work with 4.23, from the other, I have a doubt, given the phrase below " The new geometry editor was never released in the store. Additionally, the other plugins were never released in the store in their current state. All of them have received additional integration and enhancements. The previous versions of the plugins are no longer sold in the store."
It sound to me like aside the new mesh grabber mesh editor function, the others are only slightly improved (for render queue) versions of the same plugin, and they removed the old plugins because they will work with 4.23, and they are afraid that people will start using them with 4.23 and see no reason to move from "buy plugin once, use forever" to "pay every month for the plugin" (I did not do an exact calculation, but my estimate, considering occasional discounts, is that with 5 or 6 months of premier, one has already paid the plugins, putting aside the possibility of using the other discounts from premier, but that require spending even more).
The free bundle seems the most economically interesting thing of premier, but at the same time, sounds likes it is very interesting and even very convenient if one is already going to buy a bundle a month, but if one buys one/two bundles a year, it becomes rather expensive.
About using the original plugins with 4.23, next week I am going to be back to my Daz computer with 4.22 and the plugins, will try to install 4.23 (free) on top and see what happens. And I have another computer where I can install 4.23 (free) from scratch and the plugins from scratch, so I can see also that situation how it goes, if anybody is interested.
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My understanding is that the Premiere Tools are 'better' integrated and will continue to be developed. They are and will be exclusive to those with Premiere Subscriptions, 'Legacy' tools will remain 'as is' for those that have purchased them.
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on the forums that the existing 'Legacy' tools being superseded by the Premiere version will continue to work in 4,23 (with no currently reported issues); however, there is no guarantee that they will continue to do so in future DAZ Studio updates.Agreed, I do not think it is so much 'Fear' but 'Fact', no one will rent a tool when they can buy it. I foresee issues being introduced that will render the 'Legacy' tools incompatible with newer releases with DAZ Studio to encourage Premiere subscriptions.
I suspect the the Character bundles eligible for the 'Free' coupon will have fewer items than the Starter Bundles, Pro Bundles might continue although the won't have the Premiere Exclusive items
Is this being too cynical? I'd love to be proven wrong, but levels of trust in DAZ have been diminishing with each new daily promo as they introduce premiere dependent technology ...
So far Render Queue 3 and Dforce Companion are working fine. Just had a rather large product update for all the basic stuff plus a load of additional free things. Hmm.
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Just want to call out this Daz3D.com doorbuster item.
For those looking for a new environment to play in. $2.99 if Daz+, cheaper if Premier.
May be a bit of a VRAM hog, if you are short on VRAM of course, but these days I'm guessing that most of you have grabbed at least an RTX 3060 12GB... no idea how it would do in Filament.
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For those looking for a new environment to play in. $2.99 if Daz+, cheaper if Premier.
May be a bit of a VRAM hog, if you are short on VRAM of course, but these days I'm guessing that most of you have grabbed at least an RTX 3060 12GB... no idea how it would do in Filament.
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I am definitely going to grab that, but I said it before: every asset that needs a map...
...maybe is just too large.
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Also, more exclusive content for Daz Premier, and this one is going to be unwelcome to many (that it's exclusive to Daz Premier I mean):
Aiko 9 Anime.
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Aiko 9 Anime.
It depends on the computer.
I have more than one that has a map, PW makes a number of big and/or detailed environments, I like them for that, so you can still replace them, if you want, but at the same time, you have already something "coherent" out of the box. But it true that I open them on the desktop with good memory and graphic cards, even if I have a laptop with 16GB RAM, I would not dare to open them there (even because my default DAZ Installation is gigantic).
But at least PW does one thing well, you do not need to load the whole, they always foresee also partial sets to load.
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I have a 'combined' .duf that has all four areas of Airport Island included. I was able to render everything in an overhead shot, but then grouped the assets by area and 'added assets', so 8 groups in total. The VRAM usage was in the 16GB range in Iray for an overhead shot of the entire island as I remember.
But of course you can shut things off. PW tends to group sub-assets, so if you don't mind turning things on and off, the VRAM usage can be managed a bit. The other PW assets are a bit more manageable...
It sure is purdy though, particularly with the right HDRI assetrs and such...
I was in the 16-18GB of VRAM range with the above render, which includes six character assets plus the two vehicles. Probably not the most intensive example, I have others, you just need to be mindful about hiding the stuff that's off screen. as needed.
I did a bunch of renders of the 'Villa' district of AA a while back for my Enthralled comic a while back with 'just' a GTX 1080 Ti and/or dual GTX 1080s, which have 11 GB and 8 GB of VRAM respectively. I currently have a crazy plan to 'link up' Airport Island, Mandrake Island, the underwater resort, and probably a few other things in my current project. I've bought a number of PW assets over the years, it's time to get my money's worth out of them!
Seriously, if you need a background location for your latest VN/Game project, the PW Productions stuff is worth a looksee at least.
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But I digress...
So don't be too intimidated. My comment about Filament wasn't an idle one either, I am genuinely curious as to how Airport Island/Mandrake Island renders would go in Filament. I don't use Filament though, and haven't bothered to learn, and have never worked with the assets in Poser 11, which I haven't used in years.
Anyways, yeah once I find the right Lightning Deal today, I'll be grabbing the new Mandrake Island asset. My cart is already stuffed with a bunch of other stuff, just need to maximize my token usage if I can today.
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BTW, watch for an orange banner today. If you are 'worthy', you can get up to $40 of selected items for free if you grab a new release today, and discount stacking seems to be in play, particularly for the stuff that is over 40% off already (say 70%+ off as an example). The stuff may or may not interest you, but free is free. I ended up including several bundles for cheap to hit the mark, even as 'only' a Daz+ member,. I have 7 tokens that I needed to burn, and it's 'double token Tuesday' so if you have a few tokens to burn...
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