That would be on this very planet, where in many countries, and indeed even many parts of US, where 5k is only a decent but not a good amount, especially since there's this little thing called tax on that 5k.
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Oh...He doesn't get any of that mate...I think we should stick to our usual retorts..." Go away...we're out of free candies "
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Here is a rough overview, if I should have overlooked something, then I ask kindly to correct me:
Gross income
- Share that Patreon keeps
- Tax share of this gross income
= net income
- Living expenses (food, rent, electricity, water etc)
- Other additional expenses (e.g. car, spare parts for the PC, unexpected expenses etc)
- Regular taxes
= What is left at the end
It's always amusing how much people underestimate the amount of taxes, etc.
Gross income
- Share that Patreon keeps
- Tax share of this gross income
= net income
- Living expenses (food, rent, electricity, water etc)
- Other additional expenses (e.g. car, spare parts for the PC, unexpected expenses etc)
- Regular taxes
= What is left at the end
It's always amusing how much people underestimate the amount of taxes, etc.
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Prices in Scandinavia are way higher, taxes are way higher than in other places, Patreon takes a share of the earnings.
Also, being self employed means you have to pay for all your work stuff, computers are more expensive when you need high quality power to do the renders and will burn out faster, there's licenses, all kind of stuff.
Yes, even with all that, you can survive on 3k but it isn't just the "money you get for work", you'll have to deduct a lot. And for me it wouldn't be an alternative, despite living in a cheaper country with a lower tax rate (still higher than e. g. the US), since I get way more for my regular work. Again, you can live off 3k, you can support a family on 3k, but it isn't "good" but in the end well below average here.
Also you seem quite obsessed with the number 700 - but these people know what they will be getting and also can speak for themselves. Not everybody who thinks differently than you is just naive.
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I'm playing for free so I'm not complaining
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wow two full pages of people pointlessly quarreling if the dev deserve a patreon or not......can we please stop and return to the main topic wich is worshipping our lady and saviour Luna DeLuca?
The harder someone tries to punch, the less they can actually take the punch themselves.
You spend your time with passive aggression towards devs and other members who disagree with you, yet you become like a small anime character that goes 'nani!' once someone does what you do on a daily basis.
I am kind to civil people and fire back at the same style towards people that act entitled and superior.
So, in the end, this is what it is all about. Money. Not the game nor the update time, but simply the money. You're working hard, probably minimum wage and tough physical job, yet someone else is making money by 'sitting and doing easy work'.
There are many people like you. It is the entitlement of "I deserve more! I deserve the money!".
All I can tell you is - this is the entertainment business. You rarely get money based on the job effort. Even if it is heavy effort or low effort. Money is based on the entertainment factor. And let me tell you a secret, our little niche part of the entertainment world is nothing compared to the mainstream entertainment business. Your heart that wishes the money will get a heart attack if it knew how much some big profile people earn by doing simple 5 mins work.
Why should I stop it? Based on your arbitrary time limit you yourself has decided for my hobby project? Well, sorry boss. Guess I will stop it immediately.
You basically created a time limit for me and now are saying I can't get more support because I've crossed your personal time limit. Can you really not tell how much entitlement that there is over such a sentence?
No matter how many times I talk with a Filius, they always manage to baffle me.
I guess it is up to you to save all these naive people then.
Be their savior! Show the world how much more you know than them. That they are being brainwashed and simply do not know that these evil devs are cheating them!
Yeah, the plan was for this update to be the smaller and faster one, but since it is going to be the end of season update the quicker updates was moved to the next one.
So, yup. After this I will send Luna to you faster, haha.
I probably share a bit of the fault, heh. I tend to spend a little extra time with the Filius people because I find it funny.
Time to go back to the work so you guys can play around with the girls again.
Both of the sisters are virgins
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lol he never said that.
Here is what he actually said (from the actual Dev post back in October 2020, I just edited it down to relevant bits):
You're throwing accusation at him as if he was guaranteeing to everyone that it's gonna be quicker releases for every single release post-v0.07, but it's not what he said.
Even after this dev post, he said couple of times in this game thread that it's gonna depend on the content, and even before your post, he did say since this (upcoming update) is a season finale, he's taking some more time to put more events/content into it.
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However, this might be a case where the good old future perfect will come in handy.Both of the sisters are virgins
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From what I saw, HopesGaming already warned about a very tight schedule to finish the version almost a month ago (november 30th). Then, even with that, he said that was still on the plan to deliver on december. From what I saw, he seemed really motivated to finish and deliver the new release before 2022. From MY perspective, december is a tough month on work - you have a lot to do and a very little time to accomplish before holidays and all what comes with it - covid tests, family reunions, costs, etc. If you can do all your main job without problems, deal with your daily schedule, it's ok. But we are not talking about a main job. Hopes has a main job and developing Delucas is a side-job, or a hobby, as he input.
Other thing that made me think about was this:
Gracie Event5 (Lewd)- 20%
Story Event (season finale) - 30 %
Misc - 35%
The main story event was on early development on november 30th and at that moment, was clear he may have huge issues to keep on schedule, for a dev who does a main job and family to care, besides this project, on one single month. Maybe, Hopes was motivated enough to believe it was possible, but he warned on patreon (TY, johnelros) a probable delay. It is not like for who's are updated from the news on thread, a huge surprise. Besides, it was a delay, not a shutdown, like ocurred on Oath of Loyalty, just for example.
This time, was not one of his patrons who's delivered the news. It was the dev himself who's telled to us - a users/fans on a forum who's in majority, doesn't pay for his work. I respect him for that. Even more, because he seemed pretty annoyed for didn't reach his own expectations to finish earlier.
So far, I have no reasons to not trust on Hopes when he says he seriously tried his best. And I don't believe that is a naive or else. I'm not (yet) paying for his work, but it is a matter of budget at this moment. I'm planning to do on 2022 and the first project to pledge is Delucas.
Besides, from who's lost his father and almost lost one of his sisters due to covid this year, a delayed game is a far lesser problem on this shitty 2021.
I expect a far better 2022 for me, and for all of us.
And much much more Delucas!
Peace, bros.
Keep going, HopesGaming
*Like the phylosopher Zorlun said: My english will make your eyes bleeeeed!!
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thank you my lord you just made my dayThe harder someone tries to punch, the less they can actually take the punch themselves.
You spend your time with passive aggression towards devs and other members who disagree with you, yet you become like a small anime character that goes 'nani!' once someone does what you do on a daily basis.
I am kind to civil people and fire back at the same style towards people that act entitled and superior.
So, in the end, this is what it is all about. Money. Not the game nor the update time, but simply the money. You're working hard, probably minimum wage and tough physical job, yet someone else is making money by 'sitting and doing easy work'.
There are many people like you. It is the entitlement of "I deserve more! I deserve the money!".
All I can tell you is - this is the entertainment business. You rarely get money based on the job effort. Even if it is heavy effort or low effort. Money is based on the entertainment factor. And let me tell you a secret, our little niche part of the entertainment world is nothing compared to the mainstream entertainment business. Your heart that wishes the money will get a heart attack if it knew how much some big profile people earn by doing simple 5 mins work.
Why should I stop it? Based on your arbitrary time limit you yourself has decided for my hobby project? Well, sorry boss. Guess I will stop it immediately.
You basically created a time limit for me and now are saying I can't get more support because I've crossed your personal time limit. Can you really not tell how much entitlement that there is over such a sentence?
No matter how many times I talk with a Filius, they always manage to baffle me.
I guess it is up to you to save all these naive people then.
Be their savior! Show the world how much more you know than them. That they are being brainwashed and simply do not know that these evil devs are cheating them!
Yeah, the plan was for this update to be the smaller and faster one, but since it is going to be the end of season update the quicker updates was moved to the next one.
So, yup. After this I will send Luna to you faster, haha.
I probably share a bit of the fault, heh. I tend to spend a little extra time with the Filius people because I find it funny.
Time to go back to the work so you guys can play around with the girls again.
Both of the sisters are virgins
Luna the One Waifu To Rule Them All
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Pal, you got it all wrong. Supply-demand chain doesnt mean overday delivery, it means someone want something and other delivers. If buyer dont like suppliers schedule than chain brokes, it is simple is that. So if you are not among his buyers, you cant complain. If you are among his buyers you can stop and search another supplier. You are asking for last 8 months but it seems Hopes' patrons think that his deliveries are worth paying even it is in the period of once per year. And as long as patrons are okay with it, schedules like once per month, once per year, once per decade, once per milennia or once per eternity doesnt differ.And what was he supplying for the last 8 months?!?!
I admit to everything BogyWogy said.
I'm a big baddie.
Now back to work for me, hehe.
I'm a big baddie.
Now back to work for me, hehe.
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do that, otherwise luna will bächtig möhse, but really bächtig möhse and only a very, very large ice cream cone can soothe her
I never understand why dumbasses always complain about release timings on a pirate site vs. on the dev's patreon page.
Choosing beggars much?
Choosing beggars much?
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I know you'll be busy with working on the update, but when you later have the time, I do wish we'll see you continue your DeLuca-Witcher cosplay render series.
First one with Luna as Ciri was just lovely, very, very lovely.
p.s. Regarding Luna-Ciri render, can we have it as one of the special render rewards for the future contracts?
I have the image saved in my pc (cause I love it), but would love for it (and any future DeLuca-Witcher cosplay render series that you may do, if you wish) to be included that way.
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Heh, well of course, Hopes hears a lot of my nonsense, and if he thinks they're terrible ideas, he can basically filter them out (I totally don't mind, though in my defense I never intentionally try to whisper terrible ideas to himwhy do you have to whisper some nonsense to him again
)And for those who don't know what I'm referring to, well here's the Luna as Ciri cosplay render that Hopes did a while back:
Yuuuuuuuuuuuup, I love this image, and desire to see more in the series (if Hopes is willing that is).
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It's something artists often have to contend with. Many people do not recognize or value artistic work.
I'm finding that working on my games is quite therapeutic. Really calming to exercise that part of my brain.