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I have been summoned, my future subjects!! Please... no applauds.. ok.. some applauds!
This is actually wrong and in fact you are doing precisely what you accused Cartageno of doing: assume stuff. There is technically nothing to say Hopes is trying to satisfy his audience. If anything, and going by what he did in game, you have an scene criticizing this kind of behavior with Caenis.
This statement is true. Claiming we does not imply all. Cartageno simply assumed you were claiming "all". While understandable given context*, this is still his bad.
*I personally believe that you used we instead of I there not because you are trying to be a voice for other people, but because you wanted to make your case stronger by claiming there is another people thinking like you. This is, however, my assumption. Untested, as such it can be wrong.
In fact, if you were using the Royal We, We can still mean one person. I should start using the royal we, practicing for the future.
You are assuming again he wants to create quality spank material. This statement was proven false by Hopes himself. So you are saying it is not helping doing something he does not want to do. Where is the problem?
This is the point. In red and bold: "trying to judge it on something it doesn't want to be is just a moot point in a discussion" otherwise, we might as well criticize this game for being a terrible children's game. Clearly does not make sense.
This has been systematically proven wrong. It is not porn. It is erotica. Porn is all about the titillations, erotica includes sexual content but it is not the only aspect of the art at hand.
Indeed you can. People can also complain about your complains and people can complain about people's complain about your complains and it follows ad infinitum.
You are confusing sex with porn. Sex is the act, porn is type of art that specifically looks at representations of sex for stimulations' sake.
Stop assuming this is porn and your request are all irrelevant.
I hope at least some of you can see how ironic it is that in my original post, I complained I might not live to see the end of The DeLuca Family due to its expanding plot and ever lengthening list of characters - now I have so many of the Hopes Defense Force Mafia replying to me, I might not reach the end of this post.
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What I have so far is some nonsense about language, some really arbitrary points about porn/erotica for people that think this game is high art, comparisons to famous musicians/novelists that don't make sense. Cartegeno is saying something about cake and steak, but the real issue is he's telling me his chicken fingers are steak. On the inclusion of porn thing, when you add stuff like peeking on girls in the bath/shower, wet dreams and secret adulterous blowjobs; you might not be going to an extreme, but you're making an affirmative decision about the content of the game.
It doesn't make sense to include things like this that people playing are clearly meant to jerk off to and then start talking about how TDLF is "erotica" and not "porn", your point is completely arbitrary. There is more than enough story to start justifying an escalation of the sex scenes; a satisfying, merited escalation. The problem is the story isn't getting to the point and isn't interesting enough on it's own to justify it's length. Can a game like this have a great, well written story and would those of us that are primarily here for porn enjoy it? Yes, absolutely. But as the narratively focused game you're saying it is, it seems to be going downhill fast (or extremely slowly, because we'll all be demented and pissing our pants before this game ends). You're telling me Hopes intention is for something I don't want. I'm telling you I think his game is failing even at that.
Now the other dude: something about Hopes never said he wanted a satisfied audience? I don't really know what point you're trying to make because I probably starting skimming through the scene in question because it isn't nearly as clever or interesting as you think it is. How can you really act like this isn't a laughable statement? He doesn't want people to enjoy his game? That I don't believe.
I'll redress this erotica/porn point one last time. Merriam Webster defines pornography in this case as
: material (such as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
on erotica, the relevant definition is this
: literary or artistic works having an erotic theme or quality
In actual fact, people can and do use these words interchangeably, but I think we can reach and answer that makes sense. Let's look at TDLF: It's a game that explicitly shows 3d models fucking - there's animations, there's cum, it's very much committed to this presentation because it's formatted like any number of porn games. The sexual content is meant to excite. You can tell me this game is art or a great novel or something so it satisfies the definition of erotica, but really it's just another ren'py game with sex scenes. It makes more sense to call it porn. Your own definition of porn calls this game porn.
Okay, last guy. Yes, I will complain you can't fuck the main girls yet. When would fucking be fitting? Another three years? Why don't you explain for us all how long it would take to make "fitting" sex scenes?
"Not every game will have the girls jump the MC's bones the first chance they get."
Okay, so not first, not third, not fiftieth, not even after years. This statement by you is so disingenuous because you're framing it like the game just started and people are complaining. There's slow burn, we know, then there's a slow burn that dies down because you're trying to keep it alive in a monsoon. You wait for things to dry out, but by the time you came back, you can't remember why you were trying to light a fire in the first place. That's what this game is like, and it's a perfectly valid view to hold.
Is good porn the main draw? I mean sure, but I like enough story for context and payoff. Again, if you like story for story, okay. IMHO, this story is getting out of hand and I don't get why you're trying to champion it instead of being real with your criticism.
I don't care what non-porn games are on here. F95 is 99% porn. It's so cheap that you'd just say "you're not the target audience" to deflect all criticism of the game when you don't have a constructive rebuttal. This game *has* had good updates where I like the story and felt the scenes included were just fine and dandy, the point is that we're getting further and further down the line in this meandering story. Since you're strawmanning me on the "this is a porn game website" point, I'll do you the same courtesy: you might think people who are starting to dislike TDLF's story have a short attention span, but failing to gain and maintain audience interest - which includes critically: being concise, is a failure of the game. It's been years, the people who are commenting this are being completely reasonable.
