Ren'Py Abandoned The DeLuca Family [Season 1] [HopesGaming]

[AL.d]

This whole story vs porn debate is funny to me. In a good game the latter is part of the former. Sex scenes exist because the story calls for them at that point in its plot. A good story in an adult game would have them relatively often but not in a way that seems like obligatory porn.

If this game had good story it could do the same, like plenty of games with interesting plot that have sex scenes. But it doesn't. It's a really vanilla slice of life story full of pointless banter and sprinkled with tidbits of what anime thinks mob looks like.

Even in its state though, way fewer people would complain if it didn't have a release pace that stinks of future abandoned tag. That's what people should be bitching about, not porn scenes...What would it matter if it had more porn, if in the next update you didn't remember wtf happened previously, because it has been that long?

 

[Lorenz1]

I'll be honest here, at this point I am interested in the game only because of the fan art lockhear makes. At least I remember that the game exists because of it.

I will wait till the public release to play it. Maybe it'll make me excited again, idk.

 

[Almas18]

Yes, two full years, from 0.08.3 released on the 6th July of 2022 until the release of 0.09 on the 21th of January 2023. We counted it ourselve, two full years, we can verified that.
Now, we see why some many users can be here on an adult forum. 18-21 years old usually and shall behave like an adult... - It makes so much more sense now, thanks.

 

[justsum]

There appears to be an asshat brigade and they invaded this thread.
Can't wait for next update.

 

[Ayhsel]

This whole story vs porn debate is funny to me. In a good game the latter is part of the former. Sex scenes exist because the story calls for them at that point in its plot. A good story in an adult game would have them relatively often but not in a way that seems like obligatory porn.

Depends on your definition of adult. For me adult stuff is not necessarily including sex. GTA is adult, for example.

And given that, your point is not true. Fata Morgana has no explicit sex. It has a story better than pretty much everything else, obviously, in my opinion.

The only two games I can think fast that have truly blended sex into story and I believe most people would agree are both very good is Karlsson Gambit and Pale Carnations. Blended in the sense you cannot remove sex from the story

Even in its state though, way fewer people would complain if it didn't have a release pace that stinks of future abandoned tag. That's what people should be bitching about, not porn scenes...What would it matter if it had more porn, if in the next update you didn't remember wtf happened previously, because it has been that long?

This. Well said.

 

[Deleted member 4654353]

Still no sex with Luna ?

 

[Hwk47]

That was my first thought aswell, it's almost too on the nose, with the Silverino name, being that the silver/black hair is the MC's most noticeable visual feature as commented on by some characters and there being a slight resemblance between nero and the MC. And yes, 'Steadfast' ( who might just be Nazazis's father Nazario in exile ??? ) told us that the MC's dad has 2 more children. But afaik we have no confirmation yet, that the father of the MC was in fact a serpent.

Indeed, there is no confirmation yet.

But it fits in so well, MC's presence as a deterrent for 'the Alliance', Mother's broken engagement, the burned picture of the Serpents, Mr. Serpents hatred for MC's father.
I hope its true it will fit in so well.

 

[AL.d]

Depends on your definition of adult. For me adult stuff is not necessarily including sex. GTA is adult, for example.

And given that, your point is not true. Fata Morgana has no explicit sex. It has a story better than pretty much everything else, obviously, in my opinion.

The only two games I can think fast that have truly blended sex into story and I believe most people would agree are both very good is Karlsson Gambit and Pale Carnations. Blended in the sense you cannot remove sex from the story

This. Well said.

GTA is a good reference because it is a "sexy" game. It has as much as it can within the constraints of its age rating. If they could have more explicit stuff they would because it's a big part of the theme they are going for (gangster life). In this, we are supposed to be playing a gangster too, but it feels nowhere near as adult as GTA, despite technically having more explicit sex.

The two games you mentioned are exactly what I had in mind in relation to adult story. BADIK too, despite having a lot of porn, it always makes sense within the story. College kids fuck a lot. You play a wild college dude, you get a lot of scenes, you play a faithful one, you get less.

 

[ivanov95]

Haven't played this game in probably around 1,5 - 2 years (maybe even before the rework was planned), completely lost interested in this game. I still like the girls and the story really looked interesting, but I won't even follow the game anymore. Those with patience, good luck guys, gonna need it.

 

[Ir0n Ma1den]

Just got reminded of this gem, a rejected bond theme called Beyond the Ice(Which was supposed to be the origianl name of Die Another Day). The song fits as either Luna or Corodias theme.

 

[jish55]

What cracks me up are the people claiming Hopes is greedy and stealing money when the dude is constantly on here talking with us and never attacking us for the majority of individuals playing his work for free. Like he could be the same as damn near every other dev and be radio silent, insult us, hate on us for not paying him, but nope, he's here talking with us, bantering along side us, being chill and an all around cool dude towards the people who are essentially stealing his game. That's why I support him and why I'm okay with him taking more time as he's been open about how he doesn't work on this game full time as he has a real life job, where he's said time and again this game is a hobby.

 

[uhhhok]

 

[Cartageno]

I don't care what non-porn games are on here. F95 is 99% porn. It's so cheap that you'd just say "you're not the target audience" to deflect all criticism of the game when you don't have a constructive rebuttal.

Well, what is the constructive rebuttal going to rebut, since there is no constructive criticism? You want a story somebody else writes to fill your need but they don't want to do that, so you say "you should change what you are doing". That is not constructive at all.

(Side note, but also applicable to my own argument earlier, what is or is not published on F95 is usually not the decision of the author, it isn't here, so they are not responsible for expectations people get by finding a game here, that would be F95 for putting it here in the first place.)

happy go fappy

I might and will steal that. Probably without proper acknowledgement.

 

[Agul]

No it doesn't.

And you proved it yourself, you idiot, claiming that there is very little, people are very annoyed and all that but you still enjoyed the story part!

You can remove the explicit sex scenes from this game and it would still be pretty much the same game.

You cannot do that with porn. As simply as that.

And because something has explicit description of sex does not make it porn. Or will you call Game of Thrones porn now?

About the Hopes Defense Force you again missed the point: not defending Hopes, I have criticized speed here myself. You can search for that.
But the game never tried to be a happy go fappy game. Sex is gonna be there, but it will never be the focus, which is what you are trying soo hard to impose. Stop being ridiculous.

Please think before you try to force logic to fit what you simply want, which is totally ok: you want more sex and faster releases. Had you said that I would have nothing to say. Really.

You came into the middle of an argument you didn't bother to read and now you're just shit flinging by calling me an idiot. Nobody was spewing ad hominem til you showed. Don't @ me if you're so fucking dumb that you think this game would make total sense if you just removed the sex scenes. Do you see dick in pussy on game of thrones? Do you know what the word explicit means? You literally can't read. Don't fling your spittle at me, ask somebody to explain what I'm saying to you.

 

[Agul]

Well, what is the constructive rebuttal going to rebut, since there is no constructive criticism? You want a story somebody else writes to fill your need but they don't want to do that, so you say "you should change what you are doing". That is not constructive at all.

(Side note, but also applicable to my own argument earlier, what is or is not published on F95 is usually not the decision of the author, it isn't here, so they are not responsible for expectations people get by finding a game here, that would be F95 for putting it here in the first place.)



I might and will steal that. Probably without proper acknowledgement.

I'll make it really easy for you. Explain why making a story this long winded makes it good. Thats literally all you have to do. You've never addressed this central point.

 

[Ayhsel]

You came into the middle of an argument you didn't bother to read and now you're just shit flinging by calling me an idiot. Nobody was spewing ad hominem til you showed. Don't @ me if you're so fucking dumb that you think this game would make total sense if you just removed the sex scenes. Do you see dick in pussy on game of thrones? Do you know what the word explicit means? You literally can't read. Don't fling your spittle at me, ask somebody to explain what I'm saying to you.

I did read. And I explained why you were wrong when you claim you could call it porn.

Please again do the exercise and remove explicit scenes from the game? What changes? Nothing. How is that "depictions of sex to stimulate"? Is really not that hard.

You are no replying to the point here.

Dick in pussy is for you what defines porn? Really? is that what makes it explicit? Think before writing. If that is a necessary condition for porn, then hentai is not porn, as all dicks, pussies and dicks in pussy are censored... hey, good job making hentai pg-13, genious!

This is what you are saying clear for everyone to read: game has been long enough and there is content enough for more sex scenes. I justify this as this being porn.

My reply: i dont disagree necessarily with statement. I disagree with your justification. This is not porn. Simple as that.

No more words.

And the idiot thing: you did go and call me a defense force. I consider that equally is insulting. So dont play the innocent card here. And I didn't jump, I was summoned to it. And I was explicit on what I was replying to in the first reply. The second one just needed to adress the issue.

 

[TimHawk]

Indeed, there is no confirmation yet.

But it fits in so well, MC's presence as a deterrent for 'the Alliance', Mother's broken engagement, the burned picture of the Serpents, Mr. Serpents hatred for MC's father.
I hope its true it will fit in so well.

100% with you on that it woud fit like a glove. You even left the biggest one out, when Nazazi calls Nero's father a whore right to his face, so his "serpent whore" description is a HUGE arrow pointing at it being the MC's dad.

We know that the MC's father was not on the picture we find in Cordia's desk, right ? So he wasn't one of the OG Serpents, but all we got now is "all those years ago" so he would have to have been a serpent sometime between the OG Serpents and the split of those OG Serpents.

Or, and this is what I think makes way more sense, that "Serpent" has 2 meanings, one used by the Deluca family as a de facto rank, just like apparently the Sterling rank from the Silverinos. And then a somewhat more descriptive meaning that others outside the Deluca Family use to describe a group of people that fought together way back when they had their big war. The MC's dad could've have been a part of that group, but with his own ambitions of starting ? or taking over ? his own family so he never joined the Deluca Family but instead did his Silverino thing, thus never becoming a "Serpent" in the Deluca way, but to others he was one of them.

However there is one thing that bothers me with all of it and thats what Hope has repeated to us over and over again. Cordia, Pervez Kaskar and now Nazizi all state that family and specifically ones children, mean everything and no matter what, you protect them and have their back, and yet Nero says "The MC has some use for our family, when we are done with him, you can do with him whatever you want." Now to me that doesn't sound like a very protective father and as far as we were told, he left the MC when he was 10 and never had any contact since so I dont see any way how he could suddenly hate his son or be so totally indifferent to his well being.

 

[Rex G]

Fuck sake we waited so damn long and its just couple things bruuuh

 

[HopesGaming]

Seemed like the post release pitchfork event hasnt cooled down yet, so going to give it a bit more. But will be prepared to the usual Q&A after

To answer broad question.
Sorry if you dislike the lack of sex. I just make the game based on what I feel. Not planning to change that part hehe.
I neither add or don't add based on what people want. Just want I want.

About the game time. Sucks I know. Won't argue it.
Hobby game. Hence why game is free and support is not needed to get the game but only to support.
Once game is on Steam it won't be free and can't call it hobby and won't be making the game in a relaxed style as I do now. Tho I like living life relaxed hehe.

And yes, I see all the positive comment as well. Don't worry. I love you guys ❤ Gracie would also love you if she didn't get shot

 

[Kongolo]

You forget that you don't PAY for the game. You donate to support the developer.
You gain no rights by donating money, and you even get the full game for free if you don't donate at all.
You plebs should stop to claim that you have ANY rights just because you pay some bucks - just read the ToS. Aside that, most people crying about what patreons should get when they "pay" aren't even patreons at all.

So i repeat myself: You may leave if you don't like it - no problem.
But please stop badmouthing the developer just because he doesn't do the speed YOU expect. You should be happy that he releases his game for free at all (higher tier supporter just get the game few days earlier)

The only true and correct comment in this whole discussion about faster updates and the lack of sex scenes