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Cartageno

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I did have a similar frustration.
This is explicitly NOT tagged as a Visual Novel above - which makes sense, as the first third or so of the game tries to be a real game. There's a stat array you manipulate with gear you purchase with money, there's a grid-based map for scenarios where you explore looking for clues and secrets, trying to beat challenges with skill checks.

But after that first third it seems the gameplay part just gets abandoned in favor of the VN stuff. And it seems the recent updates focus more on the no-gameplay mode and VN content. It's a great VN, I'm not here to complain about that, but the fact that it's not tagged VN here seems like it will draw people looking for gameplay and disappoint them, while also getting missed by some folks looking for a VN and not realizing this really is one.
Apart from what others have said: if this were to be tagged as a Visual Novel there would be complaints by others since it isn't a pure VN - it contains all the stuff mentioned, inventory, time management, collecting cash, and so forth. Thus is has the tag "sandbox" - which is there for precisely this kind of game. And sandboxes (on this site) almost always include VN like story elements between the roaming around and getting stuff. And even without the "VN" tag and with the "Sandbox" tag, there have been complaints in this thread en masse about too much gameplay and not enough story.

After all, those tags are only rough estimates of what to await. Everything, be it a kink or a gameplay style, is on a scale. How much reading, how much grinding, how much MILF, how much whatever. And where on the scale you want to be warned/informed will differ depending on who "you" is. There will be no "one size fits all". But I personally would be very astonished if this got the VN tag because it is way below the median in being a VN and that tag - correctly or incorrectly - does not appear that often.
 

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Apart from what others have said: if this were to be tagged as a Visual Novel there would be complaints by others since it isn't a pure VN - it contains all the stuff mentioned, inventory, time management, collecting cash, and so forth. Thus is has the tag "sandbox" - which is there for precisely this kind of game. And sandboxes (on this site) almost always include VN like story elements between the roaming around and getting stuff. And even without the "VN" tag and with the "Sandbox" tag, there have been complaints in this thread en masse about too much gameplay and not enough story.

After all, those tags are only rough estimates of what to await. Everything, be it a kink or a gameplay style, is on a scale. How much reading, how much grinding, how much MILF, how much whatever. And where on the scale you want to be warned/informed will differ depending on who "you" is. There will be no "one size fits all". But I personally would be very astonished if this got the VN tag because it is way below the median in being a VN and that tag - correctly or incorrectly - does not appear that often.
Agreed, I don't think tagging this game with VN is the right solution, for the reasons you mentioned. Although it does have a dedicated "VN mode" straight from the menu when you start the game, which should address the problem for folks coming in for a VN and not wanting any gameplay.

It's just frustrating that the gameplay drops off so sharply mid-way through, and predictable that this will not be the priority with new releases, as everyone will be understandably clamoring for more story and pron.
 

JJJ84

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It's just frustrating that the gameplay drops off so sharply mid-way through, and predictable that this will not be the priority with new releases, as everyone will be understandably clamoring for more story and pron.
That's the thing though.
DeLuca was never meant to be a gameplay-first game (even though it has some gameplay aspects with Full Experience mode).

It was always meant to be story-comes-first game even before the contracts were revamped in v0.07 (it's just the way the dev set up and planned the game since the beginning. So everyone clamoring for more story doesn't really have anything to do with it), though now I guess they're in the mix with rotation.

Perhaps in your case, it's the misplaced expectations (and I don't mean any offense by this, of course)?
 
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Note: I don't say that I'm right, or that you are wrong, but you forgot some points in your reasoning.


The Don just killed one of his own in front of his "soldiers" and family, for taking Mina's side,
Something that only half a dozen soldato and two/three capos, plus the daughters and Mina, know about. Nazazi said it, "the circumstances of Brizio's death cannot leave this room". A handful members of the Family know why Nazazi killed him, all the others don't even know that it's Nazazi who killed him.


and sent his daughter to deliver the course as a apology to the Deluca family,
For the contract, what is different ; as Siobhan could say, it's a question of principles, but I guess that for Nazazi it's more a question of rules.

If you have something against a top member, and even more a core member, you solve the issue by yourself, you don't use a proxy. The Ombra should have terminated the contract the instant they discovered that the target was living in the main house. Imagine the consequences if it was otherwise...
Assassins are tolerated because they are more useful than they are a threat, what is possible only because there's people that are said to be out of reach. Your child can go to school, without you fearing that he'll be stabbed or poisoned, because of those limits. The core members can have a life because of those limits. There's risks of course, but you know that there isn't an assassins after you. if someone want to kill you, it will be fair play and you'll have a chance to be the one who will survive ; it will not be a stab in the back during your sleep.
The instant the word would spread that the Ombra tried to kill someone in the DeLuca main house, what become of those rules ? Who stay out of reach in such case ? They would become a threat for all the Families and wouldn't survive long. Nazazi's apology is nothing more than him saying that the rules stands and, therefore, him protecting his Family.
But this do not prevent the said Ombra to attack frontally the DeLuca main house. It would be fair play, too bad if they weren't able to see them coming.


then removed Mina's leading powers, i would highly doubt anyone would have the balls to not only support Mina but get into an all out war right after that,
Firstly, like I said above, since no one except a handful of members, know what happened, there's no "after that" ; especially since Nazazi is a crazy drunkard, what is surely well known in the Family.

But now think about it a bit more. Brizio had the balls to pull a gun on Nazazi. While not in command, he stay the Head of the Family, what mean that Brizio pulled a gun on the person he swore to serve and protect ! This seriously question his loyalty, that clearly goes to Mina, not to the Family. And this raise another question, how many in the Family share his views ?
He isn't the only one, we know it, thanks to Siobhan. Nazazi ordered men to follow and protect her (in the same way that Wilfred put gents on MC's back I guess). And what happened when Mina told them to not do it ? They were ordered by the Head of the Family to protect one of the heir of the Family. Then when ordered by the person in command to stop doing it, they didn't even cared to report to the Head ? Their loyalty do not goes to the Family, and anyone who's loyalty goes directly to Mina wouldn't care this much what the dunkard Nazazi say ; once again except the handful who know what happened and have been ordered to not talk about it.


specially when the daughter would be there as well (as she was going to Deluca's Estate).
We don't know how many time there's between the two events. Generally when they are directly linked in time Hopes group them on a single event.
Of course, they come in the same update, but this don't mean that players who starts with this release will not play a mission, or some side events, in between. Therefore expecting Siobhan to appear at the end of the scene seem wrong ; it's more surely an implicit event that already happened.
Anyway, if it happened the same day, then they wouldn't know what happened in the Family. Their mission would have started before it, and no one bring a cellphone with him when he plan to frontally attack the main house of one of the top five Families.


To this we need to add the problem of firepower, its not like Deluca's are a small family, that kill shot would require the enemies to invade the perimeter first, and they don't have much firepower, much less if its just one portion of the Ombra family.
No, they haven't invaded the perimeter. Invading it wouldn't have been unnoticed, there would be gunfire, and we would have seen Wilfred interrupt the dinner, letting some gents lead at least Cordia (who would have refused), Gracie (who would have been offended) and Isabel in security.
Even a peaceful direct infiltration wouldn't have been unnoticed. One totally unknown person don't walk straight to the main house, while carry a big bag, without it raising suspicion. And the more there's people doing it, the faster they'll be people stopping them in order to know what they want ; what would then lead to the gunfire I talked about above.
The only way to do this is a long time infiltration meticulously prepared. Therefore, rogue Ombra still are plausible responsible. Between the loyalty issue and the time needed to perform the operation, it stay a valid answer.

This said, I agree that it's not the sole possibility, just the more plausible in term of story and as long as we know, there's also the "someone" option. The same "someone" who poisoned MC, corrupted a DeLuca soldato to permit a direct attack against MC, and passed a contract with the Ombra for MC's assassination. Their own assassin failed, the proxy they used failed, and the assassin Family they payed terminated the contract. It's also a reasonable guess to think that they now goes more frontal.
But, while this wouldn't lead to a direct war, since it's an unknown player, it feel like a step too far and too fast. What doesn't mean that it's not what happened, I'm not Hopes' mind, just a player like all others, so I can be wrong.
 

Damien Stark

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Perhaps in your case, it's the misplaced expectations (and I don't mean any offense by this, of course)?
Oh none taken, the expectations are definitely the crux of the issue. The site's tags make it easy for people to find what they're looking for and avoid what they're not. I would have avoided this game if it was tagged VN, as I'm generally in search of games here with actual mechanics - just as many VN fans avoid the games without the VN tag because they don't want "grinding" or puzzles or whatever, just a story with their porn.

This game is just an unusual edge case (at least in its current state) where the lack of VN tag may cause VN-fans to miss it (even though it has a VN mode and they'd probably enjoy it) and gameplay-fans like myself to be disappointed that it's really at least 80% VN without the tag. But it's great at what it's doing; it's not like I'm here to bash the game or write a bad review.

From whichone's comment above, it seems like there is an expectation of more contracts/missions gameplay getting added over time, so I'll just be patient and look forward to that.
 

JJJ84

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Oh none taken, the expectations are definitely the crux of the issue. The site's tags make it easy for people to find what they're looking for and avoid what they're not. I would have avoided this game if it was tagged VN, as I'm generally in search of games here with actual mechanics - just as many VN fans avoid the games without the VN tag because they don't want "grinding" or puzzles or whatever, just a story with their porn.

This game is just an unusual edge case (at least in its current state) where the lack of VN tag may cause VN-fans to miss it (even though it has a VN mode and they'd probably enjoy it) and gameplay-fans like myself to be disappointed that it's really at least 80% VN without the tag. But it's great at what it's doing; it's not like I'm here to bash the game or write a bad review.

From whichone's comment above, it seems like there is an expectation of more contracts/missions gameplay getting added over time, so I'll just be patient and look forward to that.
I'm I guess for the lack of a better term, a bit of a............... hybrid? :KEK:

I love VN games, and with gameplay and sandbox elements I don't mind the light to moderate extent of sandbox or gameplay (gameplay mechanics which require much grind, I just find myself bored pretty quickly :HideThePain: ).

With DeLuca, I really enjoy the narrative of Wilfred's contracts (as Whichone mentioned above, The Painter contract is the cream of the crop of current D-contracts, but I love others too, especially interacting with characters like Lelianna, Amita, Amata, Bikini Lady, whom we might not be able to interact as much as the main LIs), and the gameplay, while initially was challenging, I got used to it pretty quickly and towards the end, I felt the grind of it was pretty moderate level.


As Whichone also said, Hopes (dev) actually split the update to 2 parts; VN elements in this month's update, with contracts update next month.
Not sure whether it's D or C contracts (not confirmed), but you can check out Dev post prior to releasing v0.09 (courtesy of c3p0 who ported it over to this thread) as well as Hopes' post that I've also quoted.
They should give you an idea of what's coming:


Hey DeLucas

I'm currently uploading the update for 0.09.
However, it's a bit light on content due to a lot of it being cut for a next month release.
The reason for that is that a lot of the new events are from the contracts' system, which include the new Lucania (that can be traversed via the gameplay system) and events in Lucania. There are some other contract events as well such as more events with the bikini boss lady.
Most of these are already done, but I'm not quite happy with it and feels a bit scrambled. And as always, I don't like to release things I am not personally happy with.

However, since I'm finished with all the girls and main story events for season 1 and the new contract events are not related to the new events, and I've decided to release the main story event for you guys to experience.
So, you can go ahead and finish the season 1 or wait for the full contract events to get the full release content.

Hope you guys will enjoy the season 1 finale.

The story event started with a nice dinner and will end with a nice dinner :)!

Edit: I see a reaction from J³, thus I call the usual pitchfork march in advance.:ROFLMAO:

More like contract events rather then contracts missions.
Some Lucania events and introductions. This may be a bit tutorial like. Some contracts may get a bit renders in em.
Need a bit more meat on the heavy text part of the game.
Can't really say much more at the moment unfortunately.
 

whichone

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From whichone's comment above, it seems like there is an expectation of more contracts/missions gameplay getting added over time, so I'll just be patient and look forward to that.
Also, contract mechanics are now being used to tell Story events.
As an e.g. if you look at the Straffan mission (written before contracts revamp) & then the Ombra mission (released post contracts revamp).
Both are major story elements, but the latter used the new contracts mechanics.

So it's not just the expected "C" rank contracts, there presumably will be other Story missions which follow the Ombra example and use the contracts format.
So I think you can be fully justified to expect more gameplay aspects, even if we don't get 4-5 new "C" contracts, just yet.
It's highly probable that some more story aspects will also utilise it going forward. (y)
 

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Man after every update I have like 10 more questions and got zero answers to all the questions I had before the update droped sigh :D

Who gains from shooting Gracie ? That wasn't an oopsie, that was a precision rifle shot to center mass aka a killshot, who the fuck is that suicidal ? He/She/They must know that the Delucas will mow down everything between them and the shooter.

Antonio's guess that it was the "new alliance" can't be it, we learned from the ombra mission that they are still recruiting and must think that they wouldnt be on the winning side of an all out war yet.

So it has to be either something personal like revenge or a 3rd party trying to instigate a conflict between the Deluca's and whoever that 3rd party frames to have been responsible.

I love a good mystery, but it kinda sucks that we don't even have enough info to make educated guesses, let alone daring ones. :D
 

JamesSmithsonian

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Is there no music in this game anymore? I'm pretty sure it used to have music?

Does anyone know how to fix the missing music?

Thanks in advance.
 

JJJ84

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Is there no music in this game anymore? I'm pretty sure it used to have music?

Does anyone know how to fix the missing music?

Thanks in advance.
Uhhh, what do you mean?

The game still has music.
All 3 events in the latest update v0.09 has music in them.

You sure you didn't mute all the sounds by accident?
 

JamesSmithsonian

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Uhhh, what do you mean?

The game still has music.
All 3 events in the latest update v0.09 has music in them.

You sure you didn't mute all the sounds by accident?
Yeah, I double checked. No music or sound effects in the beginning, not even the "lobby music".
I'm going to try reinstalling the game, maybe something got fucked
 

JJJ84

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Yeah, I double checked. No music or sound effects in the beginning, not even the "lobby music".
I'm going to try reinstalling the game, maybe something got fucked
Not even the Main Menu music (i.e. Sakura Blossom theme)?

Where are you playing the game on? PC or Android?
If it's PC, well it's weird cause I'm playing on PC and everything works fine (with music), and noone else (who plays on PC) reported any issues with music.

However, if it's Android (this includes that whole Joiplay etc etc), then it may be due to that cause the Dev's not responsible for the Android port.
 

JamesSmithsonian

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Not even the Main Menu music (i.e. Sakura Blossom theme)?

Where are you playing the game on? PC or Android?
If it's PC, well it's weird cause I'm playing on PC and everything works fine (with music), and noone else (who plays on PC) reported any issues with music.

However, if it's Android (this includes that whole Joiplay etc etc), then it may be due to that cause the Dev's not responsible for the Android port.
No, not even the Main Menu Music...

I'm playing on PC, Windows 10.

I'm about to try playing again, and if it's not fixed, I might boot up a Windows VM lol. Waited so long for this update and I'm fucking playing it!
 

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No, not even the Main Menu Music...

I'm playing on PC, Windows 10.

I'm about to try playing again, and if it's not fixed, I might boot up a Windows VM lol. Waited so long for this update and I'm fucking playing it!
We assume, that the music system work with other software and only the Deluca Family don't work?
 

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Something that only half a dozen soldato and two/three capos, plus the daughters and Mina, know about. Nazazi said it, "the circumstances of Brizio's death cannot leave this room". A handful members of the Family know why Nazazi killed him, all the others don't even know that it's Nazazi who killed him.
The most important thing that go out of that scene is that The Don is back and he demoted the Wife, this would be relayed to the other members.
Coming back to the number of "witnesses" there aren't many guys there but are there that many more that matter?, i don't think so, they were complaining just before how they were in a really weak position with barely any actually good soldiers left, and they just lost one of their best.

For the contract, what is different ; as Siobhan could say, it's a question of principles, but I guess that for Nazazi it's more a question of rules.
If you have something against a top member, and even more a core member, you solve the issue by yourself, you don't use a proxy. The Ombra should have terminated the contract the instant they discovered that the target was living in the main house. Imagine the consequences if it was otherwise...
Assassins are tolerated because they are more useful than they are a threat, what is possible only because there's people that are said to be out of reach. Your child can go to school, without you fearing that he'll be stabbed or poisoned, because of those limits. The core members can have a life because of those limits. There's risks of course, but you know that there isn't an assassins after you. if someone want to kill you, it will be fair play and you'll have a chance to be the one who will survive ; it will not be a stab in the back during your sleep.
The instant the word would spread that the Ombra tried to kill someone in the DeLuca main house, what become of those rules ? Who stay out of reach in such case ? They would become a threat for all the Families and wouldn't survive long. Nazazi's apology is nothing more than him saying that the rules stands and, therefore, him protecting his Family.
But this do not prevent the said Ombra to attack frontally the DeLuca main house. It would be fair play, too bad if they weren't able to see them coming.
Your reasoning is right except for the fact that they don't have the man power to pull it off, much less pull it off in the back of their returned Donn and daughter both of which want to keep peace with the Delucas.

Firstly, like I said above, since no one except a handful of members, know what happened, there's no "after that" ; especially since Nazazi is a crazy drunkard, what is surely well known in the Family.

But now think about it a bit more. Brizio had the balls to pull a gun on Nazazi. While not in command, he stay the Head of the Family, what mean that Brizio pulled a gun on the person he swore to serve and protect ! This seriously question his loyalty, that clearly goes to Mina, not to the Family. And this raise another question, how many in the Family share his views ?
He isn't the only one, we know it, thanks to Siobhan. Nazazi ordered men to follow and protect her (in the same way that Wilfred put gents on MC's back I guess). And what happened when Mina told them to not do it ? They were ordered by the Head of the Family to protect one of the heir of the Family. Then when ordered by the person in command to stop doing it, they didn't even cared to report to the Head ? Their loyalty do not goes to the Family, and anyone who's loyalty goes directly to Mina wouldn't care this much what the dunkard Nazazi say ; once again except the handful who know what happened and have been ordered to not talk about it.
Here is how i see that timeline: Siobhan pushed to start going out while the Donn was still Active / not broken, he gave the order to protect her from the shadows without her knowing, time passes and his mental capacity / state worsens, he gives the order for the wife to Become "leader" (which is why he now say's he is removing that power), and locks himself in that room with the booze. So by the time the wife gives the order to stop following Siobhan they wouldn't have any reason to go for the Donn, "she is strong enough now, and doesn't need help" come into mind.

We don't know how many time there's between the two events. Generally when they are directly linked in time Hopes group them on a single event.
Of course, they come in the same update, but this don't mean that players who starts with this release will not play a mission, or some side events, in between. Therefore expecting Siobhan to appear at the end of the scene seem wrong ; it's more surely an implicit event that already happened.
Anyway, if it happened the same day, then they wouldn't know what happened in the Family. Their mission would have started before it, and no one bring a cellphone with him when he plan to frontally attack the main house of one of the top five Families.
Still think its a really fresh event, i will bet you that the next Story event will happen with no extra requisite, the fact that you could do a mission in between doesn't mean much imo.

My problem with that is that i really don't see them having people good enough to pull it off. They just said they didn't have anyone stronger than luna, Even the mad wife said it would be crazy to go after the delucas head on, Add them loosing even another top Capo, the return of the Don, and the Daughter starting her plan, i am 100% convinced it wasn't them.

No, they haven't invaded the perimeter. Invading it wouldn't have been unnoticed, there would be gunfire, and we would have seen Wilfred interrupt the dinner, letting some gents lead at least Cordia (who would have refused), Gracie (who would have been offended) and Isabel in security.
Even a peaceful direct infiltration wouldn't have been unnoticed. One totally unknown person don't walk straight to the main house, while carry a big bag, without it raising suspicion. And the more there's people doing it, the faster they'll be people stopping them in order to know what they want ; what would then lead to the gunfire I talked about above.
The only way to do this is a long time infiltration meticulously prepared. Therefore, rogue Ombra still are plausible responsible. Between the loyalty issue and the time needed to perform the operation, it stay a valid answer.
What i meant was they (whoever they are) could have had someone hidden in a nearby building to do the sniper shot, even then it would have to be someone from really far away or really good, as i bet the guys the Delucas have on watch are pretty good, it wouldn't be strange for one of the best to be on watch,
The one thing about this attack that i dont get is: They don't lack money, so if i was in their shoes, i would have had bullet prove windows installed on the first day i could afford it. Seems like a no-brainer first things first of House defense.

This said, I agree that it's not the sole possibility, just the more plausible in term of story and as long as we know, there's also the "someone" option. The same "someone" who poisoned MC, corrupted a DeLuca soldato to permit a direct attack against MC, and passed a contract with the Ombra for MC's assassination. Their own assassin failed, the proxy they used failed, and the assassin Family they payed terminated the contract. It's also a reasonable guess to think that they now goes more frontal.
But, while this wouldn't lead to a direct war, since it's an unknown player, it feel like a step too far and too fast. What doesn't mean that it's not what happened, I'm not Hopes' mind, just a player like all others, so I can be wrong.
Who ever they are i think its a big dog, and probably one we don't know about / expect.
 
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