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Being imperfect is not something to take blame for, we all are. Getting constructive criticism/suggestions and learning from it is what gives us chance to improve
To be honest I'm not sure how to read your comment lol And I have no idea who JJJ is and why "agreed by everyone ... will take that blame". Or is it something I'm wrong about than you are free to disagree and write your view on that
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Inside joke.To be honest I'm not sure how to read your comment lol And I have no idea who JJJ is and why "agreed by everyone ... will take that blame". Or is it something I'm wrong about than you are free to disagree and write your view on that
Yet, hi's trying to ignore it. Looking at you Mr. two post above this.
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Actually, this channel:
You must be registered to see the links
has a higher subscriber count. Excellent channel, but has not reviewed DeLuca yet, which IMHO is downright criminal 
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Sex Positive Gaming may have the higher subscriber numbers, but in terms of search algorithm, youtube and google always puts Adult Games Reviews and his videos first.Actually, this channel:You must be registered to see the linksSexPositiveGaming has a higher subscriber count. Excellent channel, but has not reviewed DeLuca yet, which IMHO is downright criminal
Cause I should know; Hopes asked me to search for youtuber channels to possibly promote his game with reviews, and I found the following Channels and recommended them to him:
- Adult Games Reviews
- Spicy Gaming
- Sex Positive Gaming
- Gaming Only
Hopes tried to contact all 4 youtubers (iirc) and only Adult Games Reviews responded, hence the review.
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I'm certainly no HopesGaming, but let me see if I can answer at least some of them, heh.
But if you're citing an example, it's best that you provide a visual example using screenshots of the said game.
Otherwise people may not know what you're referring to despite you citing the game (heck, I don't even remember what the database of characters for BADiK looks like )
The game has events which occurs in small steps such as the following;
- Wine event with Isabel
- Yoga event with Isabel
- Dance event with Gracie
etc etc
And with this, there's bound to be a little bit of conflict between a pure VN approach & exploration gameplay approach.
Girls freeroam content is a bit of mix of both.
I'll try to explain it using Uncle Wilfred.
In the beginning there's a tons of new dialogue options for him; such as "Tell me about yourself" "Tell me about this town" "What is Consigliere" "Why do people call you Uncle?"
But every other dialogue choice other than that is completely situational and dependent on the event triggered:
e.g. "Do you have Luna's knife?" will only be available when Luna's Knife Knife is triggered, & "I'd like to talk about Luna" dialogue option is only available when My name is Luna is started.
Hence Hopes only put essential dialogue choices which triggers events with these characters (not just Wilfred, but all the girls in freeroam).
If the game was just 100% only VN mode (with zero freeroam), then I'd say your critique here would be very valid, but given Full Experience mode and Just Story mode have got a mix of exploration gameplay in them I wouldn't consider this to be a fair criticism tbh - cause otherwise, Hopes will need to create meaningless new banter dialogues for everytime player's MC interacts with the characters (which would be tons, esp in Full Experience) just to give them something new to say for every instance.
The only thing the Wilfred's contracts & the Main Story content shares is the narrative and the characters.
Everything else, like the equipment or feats that happen in the contracts, are either just not applicable or overwritten/determined solely by how the main story dictates it (with main story linking the said contracts event to be canon; like the characters of nuns Amita, Amata, Lelianna).
e.g.
- MC in my playthrough has not just the gun, but bulletproof vest, Holy Pants, Lock Glasses and more, with some of them even being Legendary equipment. It is (and I mean absolutely no offense by it) implausible to expect all these to reflect on the main story; if Hopes allows one item such as gun to show up on main story just cause player MC obtains it or used it once during Contracts, he'll need to allow it for basically everything else, opening a huge can of worms.
- Every time when player MC gets something new; like a new item; like your example of car or bike? That's gonna change or impact the game.
And Hopes already has an outline/plan of how things will progress set up - equipment from Wilfred's contracts gameplay impacting the story could have consequences of conflicting with his already set up narrative.
- The game isn't a AAA game (like Witcher 3, or Baldur's Gate 3).
If Hopes had a huge team behind it (as well as the money), perhaps it could be done.
But he's a solo dev who only recently launched his season 1 on Steam.
Oh, and don't get me wrong, I like the equipment and the customizing of the MC. But I just don't see what you're hoping happening.
- permanent increase by going through girls events (+1 per each relevant event)
- gear providing different increases
With "give me choice of making money which is not story-related." perhaps you can give an example/s?
And tbh, not sure why you'd want further increase in stats anyway (on top of methods already provided).
If you wish to make the MC basically Superman, there are mods out there by some people that does that; though I really wouldn't recommend them.
Not sure for the men (Wilfred, Antonio) as well as other non-main LI girls (like Eiza, Elektra, Siobhan, Amita, Amata, Caterina, Onorina etc etc) though.
I answered, what I could, but I guess HopesGaming can better answer your critique.
As you said, many devs approach character database differently.
But if you're citing an example, it's best that you provide a visual example using screenshots of the said game.
Otherwise people may not know what you're referring to despite you citing the game (heck, I don't even remember what the database of characters for BADiK looks like
)I think you're misunderstanding couple of things with this part.
The game has events which occurs in small steps such as the following;
- Wine event with Isabel
- Yoga event with Isabel
- Dance event with Gracie
etc etc
And with this, there's bound to be a little bit of conflict between a pure VN approach & exploration gameplay approach.
Girls freeroam content is a bit of mix of both.
I'll try to explain it using Uncle Wilfred.
In the beginning there's a tons of new dialogue options for him; such as "Tell me about yourself" "Tell me about this town" "What is Consigliere" "Why do people call you Uncle?"
But every other dialogue choice other than that is completely situational and dependent on the event triggered:
e.g. "Do you have Luna's knife?" will only be available when Luna's Knife Knife is triggered, & "I'd like to talk about Luna" dialogue option is only available when My name is Luna is started.
Hence Hopes only put essential dialogue choices which triggers events with these characters (not just Wilfred, but all the girls in freeroam).
If the game was just 100% only VN mode (with zero freeroam), then I'd say your critique here would be very valid, but given Full Experience mode and Just Story mode have got a mix of exploration gameplay in them I wouldn't consider this to be a fair criticism tbh - cause otherwise, Hopes will need to create meaningless new banter dialogues for everytime player's MC interacts with the characters (which would be tons, esp in Full Experience) just to give them something new to say for every instance.
Uhhh...... I'd hate to break this to ya, but I just don't see this happening.
The only thing the Wilfred's contracts & the Main Story content shares is the narrative and the characters.
Everything else, like the equipment or feats that happen in the contracts, are either just not applicable or overwritten/determined solely by how the main story dictates it (with main story linking the said contracts event to be canon; like the characters of nuns Amita, Amata, Lelianna).
e.g.
- MC in my playthrough has not just the gun, but bulletproof vest, Holy Pants, Lock Glasses and more, with some of them even being Legendary equipment. It is (and I mean absolutely no offense by it) implausible to expect all these to reflect on the main story; if Hopes allows one item such as gun to show up on main story just cause player MC obtains it or used it once during Contracts, he'll need to allow it for basically everything else, opening a huge can of worms.
- Every time when player MC gets something new; like a new item; like your example of car or bike? That's gonna change or impact the game.
And Hopes already has an outline/plan of how things will progress set up - equipment from Wilfred's contracts gameplay impacting the story could have consequences of conflicting with his already set up narrative.
- The game isn't a AAA game (like Witcher 3, or Baldur's Gate 3).
If Hopes had a huge team behind it (as well as the money), perhaps it could be done.
But he's a solo dev who only recently launched his season 1 on Steam.
Oh, and don't get me wrong, I like the equipment and the customizing of the MC. But I just don't see what you're hoping happening.
Skill points can be increased in following ways;
- permanent increase by going through girls events (+1 per each relevant event)
- gear providing different increases
With "give me choice of making money which is not story-related." perhaps you can give an example/s?
And tbh, not sure why you'd want further increase in stats anyway (on top of methods already provided).
If you wish to make the MC basically Superman, there are mods out there by some people that does that; though I really wouldn't recommend them.
This one, Hopes will need to answer himself; don't think he made his position clear about dispassion yet.
Uhhh....I'm confused at what you're trying to refer to here (you'll need to clarify this one).
If you're referring to the girls wearing same clothes throughout season 1 (hence it feeling like they have no money to you), Hopes said before that all the main girls (Luna, Gracie, Isabel, Cordia) will be getting an attire change for season 2.
Not sure for the men (Wilfred, Antonio) as well as other non-main LI girls (like Eiza, Elektra, Siobhan, Amita, Amata, Caterina, Onorina etc etc) though.
I answered, what I could, but I guess HopesGaming can better answer your critique.
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Yeah, it is pretty obvious how he uses wordiness and shiny videos to distract from his complete and utter failure to compile a compelling background - because he never cared for background and lore now, did he?Inside joke.
Yet, hi's trying to ignore it. Looking at you Mr. two post above this.
(Gotta admit, I also do not get the "Hitlerjugend" reference.)
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Now that's a mouthful! Will try to answer em all as best as I canPersonal thoughts up to Story 5.
There are my loose thoughts and suggestions. Mind two things tho:
Actually most of the things I put in here are somehow critical but it means I enjoy your game as a whole and would love to see it just a little better here and there (it also means I have far more important things to do and I found playing this game and giving such extensive feedback will be great procrastination occupation). You mentioned that you like feedback so yeah, here you go lol.
- That I said "my" so do not take it personaly if I do not like something.
- Currently according to journal I'm at Story 5 so many things I'm pointing here may be already improved in game. If that's the case I will probably mention it at my final conclusions if I ever write ones
Self-voicing
UI related stuff
- Many devs does not pay attention to fact that some people can use self-voicing in theirs games. It really pisses me off to be honest since I use it all the time but I get that probably I'm not in majority. By that I wanted to point things on the screen added by dev for some kind of better experience but that are readed aloud - in this case it is "Money: xxx" and "Morning/Noon...". I can live with the second one since it is visible only when choosing rooms but the first one is visible even during dialogues(sic!)... Like... why? Good thing is that we are talking about RenPy here and beside looking for it in files can be pain in the ass, it is still doable to get rid of that.
- On the contrary, MC's thoughts are implemented well since there is just blank space in character's name instead of "Name's thoughts" reading all the time. Probably this was not made intentionally like that for better self-voicing experience but still... I hope more and more devs will pay attention to that.
A: Tbh I rarely remember that such an option exits. But just tested in-game. Pressing the keybind "V" turns on the self voicing. Not sure if it works on all modes tho. Just texted a quick dialogue.
Others
Freeroam
- There is a scene where guy with mustache and bindi tortures another man hanging on chain. I know at this point all present characters are unknown but they should be better described like "Unknown man 1/2/3..." or "Hanging man/Man with mustache" or whatever, just to dialogue be more readable, without overthinking who said what since they are all "???".
A: I agree with this point very much. Going back to replay those sections and I tend to confuse myself. Need to be better to differentiate speakers even if unknown.
Don't get me wrong here, I know how hard it is to design and code something more than just dialogues with renders, I really do. But I'm perfectionist and feel obligated to point some of the non-perfect thing lol.
Characters
- Exactly my thoughts during freeroaming thrugh the city. I was kinda amazed by how fruitful descriptions of locations are, it really put my imagination to work. But at the same time I saw lost potential in there...
- Map as dots are okayish but how about geting a pencil to your hand, drawing some simple curvy shape, dividing it into sections and putting little sketches of market/grain fields/buildings/church to it? I know you(dev) are not Ubisoft so dots are fine, but it is just a simple idea of how to improve it for better experience.
- What was really annoying experience was not being able to save/load/get to menu... during city roaming. Forcing game to stop and launching it again is an absurd way to get to options. And save/load? I guess it can be related to malfunctioning day phases thingy but it should be redesigned immidiately... Some events are quite long and being unable to save/load/back is a no-go solution, sorry.
- My OCD gave me pain seeing text not being aligned to background frames lol. I know there are no "frames", it is just a render, but figuring out a way to put it in one that does not violate it's borders would be nice polish.
A: The whole text-based adventure is very much still work in progress. Icons for important locations are already planned for.
About the out of border, I think it may be a font thing. Have to see if I can make it work for all fonts and not just the one I mainly use myself.
Saving is going to be tough tho. As you said, would require the code to be totally redesigned and that is a bit too timeconsuming as I want to focus on season 2. Tho, having a way to save or check points or something would be good.
Database
- Many devs have different approach to it and my humble opinion is that DPC in last episodes of BaDIK achieved perfection of how it should look like. I'm not saying that you should copy his solution (not saying you should not lol) but info about characters in DeLuca are just simply not enough imo.
A: The character journal is meant to be short. It is just a way to see their current thoughts.
I was originally planning to add character section on the lore codex page but scratched it due to the amount of characters in the game. May be a thing I add depending on how many would actually want it tho.
Interactions
Renders
- And to expand my thoughts from above, I think that there are too little interaction with people... At the beginning I was hyped to see there are 3 guys fighting in the garden, visiting tavern or brothel, being able to "roam, know the city and help its people" so database like that would be much appriciated right? After couple hours of playing I feel scamed. Girls and Wilfred are the only people I can interact with and after basic few lines that's it... What's with the dancing stuff? I completed mission to learn dance, made one attempt to dance with Gracie, all seems promising and the next thing I can do is saying "Dancing?" each evening with dialog the same as at the beginning... All dialogues with rest of people are the same and it does not have any sense, they are not acting like a people (they should), not taking into account that we already know each other quite good (compared to first day in house) but all we got are the same, emotionless responses.
A: I mentioned before I kind of regret not adding the 'smaller things' in the game. Not big stuff but just some minor interactions you can do in the freeroam part. The dancing is a good example or doing some quick yoga or whatever. Definitely something I am thinking about going forward with season 2
Locations
Avatars
- Overall they are designed "well enough". What I hate (in any AVN) is when dev implements some unrealistic and dumb concept. If game tries to be realistic and mature it should be like one. If it wants to be funny and comic, that's fine too, but please be consistant with your idea. Putting all kind of guns/rifles in Luna's room is the issue I'm pointing here - why? Do not treat player as an idiot, we can already know from interactions with her that he like weapons right? So you do not have to put it on her floor too, besides the fact that she prefers small guns/knifes and she would have these weapons nicely ordered, not trashed around...
- In-house render with fireplace is "from" DIK's mansion, park scenery is from every other game (lol) but at least you deleted tunnel, dinner room looks awesome, living rooms looks mediocre, MC's and office room looks good.
A: The game is unrealistic and meant to be a bit cartoonish. I wanted to make that clear as soon as possible and intrudced the weird serpents and fights early to showcase that.
With that said, the Luna room was pre-release (0.01) and basically my first time playing around with daz and wasn't even sure I was going to release anything. If I went back in time and had to do it again I would probably not make it like that, heh
Let's hope she has cleaned it up a bit in season 2!
"Characters moving"(?)
- These little avatars next to each room picture are awesome! Whoever did this, surely knows what he/she does and you should ask him/her about overal UI design improving.
A: I really like them as well and planning to make a Cordia one!
Mechanics
- Not sure how problematic it is to implement, the fact that people we are talking to sometimes(?) are moving a little but personally I didn't like it. And the reason of that is related to render quality overall probably? I mean the background render is meh and then you got Luna and Gracie somehow polished in front... The distinction is to great I think and them moving a little just makes it "worse", not to mention that their movement is not smooth. Perhaps you did it to reduce rendering time? Surely one background render and then "moving" character takes less time but at the end it also takes a lot of game experince.
A: Not so much render time but rather building my profaciancy with background movement. It's a learning progress and hopefully it get's better!
Overall
Save/Load
- Obviously you have problems with design/integrity of code in matter of day phases implementation. As I mentioned in previous posts, I had A LOT of bugs related to it. Mostly it was caused by triggering events at the evenings and it would be the first place to verify if I was dev. I pressume some events adds pre-assigned quantity of time "units" and there are lack of if-else safety conditions and some dialogues are available when they shouldn't.
A: I can't imagne it being related to the time as that is a seperated code and shouldn't effect the bugs that occur during text based adventure. It is something heavily looked into. In the steam version 1.0, there are no known major bugs as it seems it only occur during the lucania intro.
The last part is true tho. Probably some if-else statements that has been forgotten in some places that should be. So that's why it's important for the playerbase to report where it is so I can fix it quickly
- I already mentioned it but didn't want you to forget about it lol
A: Will try not to, heh!
Equipement
Stats
- I like concept of equipement. I would love to see more choices there (money-based, not story-based) and that whatever I bought has any impact to dialogues/story, not just stats. Like me having a gun but in dialogues MC still acts like he never hold one or there is no way for me to go to shooting range to train. Or Gracie mentioned about buying better clothes to train dancing, or MC having own car/bike, or basicaly anything really but meaning more than just stat change and look but only in equipement screen. There is just no interaction between that and the world
A: @JJJ84 Exaplined it well. It is simply a box that is too troublesome to open if I combine it. Especially now. It was also a personal choices at the beginning because I didn't want either part of limit each other too much. Now, having something from the quest be activated via buying something from the store, liken the example of dancing clothes, could be a good idea, I think it would be confusing to players since it was never needed before.
Also, Wilfred loves to give mc his packages.
Personality/Dispassion
- Firstly I was in love of that - I was promised freedom (freeroam), money, mafia stuff, training camp (wow) etc and at the end hm... One or two missions like bring wine or learn ballet gave me one or two points to skills and that's it. In the meantime I had to make missions requiring me to have high stealth for example and... It felt linear. I know it is AVN but I hate when devs comes with ideas they cannot handle properly. If we are implementing stats here - give me chances to improve them. If they even matter - give me different content according to them. Clothes changes stats? Ok, but give me choice of making money which is not story-related. If everything is story-driven anyway then there is no point in implementing RPG elements in the first place.
A: Hopefully we improve the text-based adventure enough that it would give those exact feelings!
Lore
- It is nicely described in "Help, tips & event" tab but in reality there is no such a thing or at least it is not visible at all for a player. To this point of the game my only choice was to either watch Luna killing mercenary or not and to look at dead traitor (forgot his name) or not... And it doesn't matter anyway since result is all the same and there are no stat related to it (at least yet)
A: It is mostly for the future. It's a bit of an odd way of doing it and understandably players will be feeling like the choices won't matter, but it will slowly define the mc for future seasons.
- First thing I find stupid was this whole hitlerjugend soldier theme. I'm okay that it is kinda of dev's art of concept but it doesn't have any sense for these people to wear clothes like that in daily basis like we could see in tavern.
- Money is another thing. It is nicely implemented, I love having "RPG elements" in AVNs but at the same time I'm there couple days/weeks and I feel like I'm the only one having money.
A: I'm not sure I understand the hitlerjugend references.
This could be a little chaotic from my side, I wanted to polish it a little more at the end but then I noticed that I'm not even close to the end but at the same time I didn't want my current thoughts go to waste lol.
A: Thanks for the detailed feedback
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It's in the phone and it's fucking annoying cause it gives phone notifications when it updates.As you said, many devs approach character database differently.
But if you're citing an example, it's best that you provide a visual example using screenshots of the said game.
Otherwise people may not know what you're referring to despite you citing the game (heck, I don't even remember what the database of characters for BADiK looks like
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Yes, of course you are right and that's why I was sorry about not polishing my post enough. It would take me a long time to download BaDIK so I just mentioned that. My intention was to point a well implemented database and I'm sure that if dev decides to change it a little he will be able to check it himselfAs you said, many devs approach character database differently.
But if you're citing an example, it's best that you provide a visual example using screenshots of the said game.
Otherwise people may not know what you're referring to despite you citing the game (heck, I don't even remember what the database of characters for BADiK looks like
And to be clear, BaDIK was just an example, I'm far from being DPC 's fanboy lolI'm prefectly aware of this concept and I'm fine with that, the problem I have with implementation tho. Let me rephrase it maybe or give some more examples...
- Seeing the same attitude of Isabel towards MC, repeating the same stuff from day one even after we spend some evenings togeter is like playing
You must be registered to see the linksgame There should be these little things you know, like a additional smile or touch, some words changed, all these dialog options could be even erased at some point... In my opinion, me being able to ask her everyday what is she doing and MC being surprised about her cleaning just kicks out of immersion. Surely changing these dialogues depending on if they are first time or not and removing come of them would give feeling of game moving forward.
- Luna, even after all these touching and kissing, going to her room when she sleeps results in MC saying "oh no, better get back, she will kill me", no she will not... She could on first day or week but not after all the story progressed.
- Same goes with Gracie and her dancing. Asking her if she is dancing and being surprised by that after we already were dancing with her is just dumb. Again, I'm not against fact that we can interact with people day after day and I know that answers will be OFTEN the same but they should be updated alongside story progress (just like "thoughts" are updated in characters tab)
- You mentioned Wilfred and his base questions. Well, I'm just against being able to ask him about "What is Consigliere" after months being there and being soldato or whatever higher rank MC is. If player didn't get that info to some point it is his/her lose and info like that can be added to some kind of notes or database alongside characters. Or his response should be like "Aren't you here long enough to ask questions like that?".
This part is tricky, I agree. Probably even impossible to implement at this scale, true. I think the gun was the thing that annoyed me the most... I mean, MC never had anything to do with gun and now he is able to obtain one. Despite fact him having gun, no one mentiones it, there is nothing like "shooting range is now available" or anything, just stats for mission. I get it, that was the only purpose of gear and I do not demand renders with every possible combination of MC's look
but maybe the gun could be introduced in a better way?Most of the day there is nothing to do really. Stats could be stretched a little (to the scale to 100 let's say) and MC could be simply be allowed to go for a run in the morning, use training base to improve agility or strenght, go to tavern and talk with some people adding some points to his charisma and people actually better know him, shooting range to train some shooting? Based on players focus during story missions simple if-elses dialogues would add a lot flavor like you were improving shooting skill so you managed to hit something more than wall or you didn't care about strength and you were knocked out by some random soldato resulting in 3 more renders and couple more dialogues that you should do better.
In other words (again) this game is very linear but from the start gives impression that is not and player actually will be able to do some stuff, testing different approaches, will have multiple paths at least in couple dialogues. Is linear game a bad game? No, but I feel like dev had more ambitious plans about game but reality hit hard and it became too complicated and time consuming to make it all work.
Well, it could be the colors and tie or them proudly representing community that in fact is build on evil foundations? Dunno, it came to my mind right after seeing Dominco
Sure thing! Do not feel obligated tho, but when you decide to do it anyway then be harsh and defend your statement if you think I'm wrong in there lol. I didn't wrote it to prove I'm right and you are not.Now that's a mouthful! Will try to answer em all as best as I can
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Which could be muted if I remember correctly? I don't remember it to be annoying in any way. What's more you have picture of every person met alongside with some info about interaction itself. There are moments where I simply do not remember all characters names and being able to check it quickly is something natural to me.
ps. The more I play the more clear to me is the problem I have with this game in general. I find mysterious MC's story intriguing, dialogues are nicely written, there is mafia concept, killing and other quite serious stuff... And then there are guns from the future and from the past lying on the Luna's floor, there are mighty capos and other Matrix people killers, girl on roller skates being killing machine, busty nuns etc... Like wtf. It looks like a comedy but at the same time game suggests it is not. Maybe just not my type of humor? Should it be serious, real-like, funny or what? I do not mind sci-fi world at all but game does not act like it is one, but it is not real/normal either. Kinda having problems with immersion here, especially when attacking Ombra's "town" and seeing there palisades and wooden fortifications...
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I tried to convince hopes to have the mc and luna watch deadpool on one of their movie nights. In spite of the fact that he agrees luna would love deadpool, he wouldn't go for it.
Bet she would love venom too.
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To some of your points Impurity2937:
VNs (such as most focus on the VN part, with no or little sandbox elemts) try to avoid having a lot of states that needs to be checks for different outcomes and complicated the whole thing.
Eg. using only to stats here, that are already in the game - if I'm not wrong - stealth and strength and of course the obvously gun, altough an equiment (and shooting skill on whatever fashion).
Standing before an enemy (no end boss, mid bos, just your 0815 enemy).
So you could fight or not. Of course having a very high stealth would allow you to slip pass him, without notice him that. Or you could slip behind him and if strength is very high or have strength is high and you also have the gun, knock him out. Or you could, if you have the strength simple fight him (in different ways) or use the gun (in different ways)
As you see, f you do it as this: y0 >= stealth >=x0 && y1 >= strength >=x1 && gun_eq == TRUE && y2 >= shooting >=x2
You have a lot of possibility. What is worse, is not the time you need to code them, but if you go with that you also need to maintain the code.
That is why lots of VNs are mostly linear and often choice merge together again and the "real" choice or ending are much much less than the "fake" choice.
VNs (such as most focus on the VN part, with no or little sandbox elemts) try to avoid having a lot of states that needs to be checks for different outcomes and complicated the whole thing.
Eg. using only to stats here, that are already in the game - if I'm not wrong - stealth and strength and of course the obvously gun, altough an equiment (and shooting skill on whatever fashion).
Standing before an enemy (no end boss, mid bos, just your 0815 enemy).
So you could fight or not. Of course having a very high stealth would allow you to slip pass him, without notice him that. Or you could slip behind him and if strength is very high or have strength is high and you also have the gun, knock him out. Or you could, if you have the strength simple fight him (in different ways) or use the gun (in different ways)
As you see, f you do it as this: y0 >= stealth >=x0 && y1 >= strength >=x1 && gun_eq == TRUE && y2 >= shooting >=x2
You have a lot of possibility. What is worse, is not the time you need to code them, but if you go with that you also need to maintain the code.
That is why lots of VNs are mostly linear and often choice merge together again and the "real" choice or ending are much much less than the "fake" choice.
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So we can pick the red ending, where MC destroys everybody, the blue ending, where he controls everybody, or the green ending where he "synthesizes" with everybody (nudge nudge wink wink know what I mean?). Yes, that went well last time it happened
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Well, here you could possible have the steel ending, the lead ending or the love ending.So we can pick the red ending, where MC destroys everybody, the blue ending, where he controls everybody, or the green ending where he "synthesizes" with everybody (nudge nudge wink wink know what I mean?). Yes, that went well last time it happened
As this is a story driven VN above all, I say we will get one ending.
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That sounds familiar.............So we can pick the red ending, where MC destroys everybody, the blue ending, where he controls everybody, or the green ending where he "synthesizes" with everybody (nudge nudge wink wink know what I mean?). Yes, that went well last time it happened
Maybe a good fan made mod to fix it?
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