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If I sound like I'm trying to antagonize, I assure you I'm not. I actually applaud you for sticking to your guns with such fervor. You seem to have a clear vision of where you want to go and that's a good thing. I guess the mini game can be salvaged if it's got good sound and visuals, required skill or planning, cut down on unnecessary clicks, adds to the story in a natural way and makes it feel like I'm actually progressing in the real world. What your are saying about the dating sim makes sense too, but I'm not feeling it in the state it's in right now. It's no small task to get everything about this to tie together nicely while at the same time being relevant to the story. However if you do manage to tie a nice bow on all this, I will be the first in line for the fan club, believe me. Maybe I'm just jaded. To me you've so far only been the "great story and art"-guy. You have yet to woo me with awesome game design. I didn't really feel like you needed to. But now your path is set and proper game design is what I will expect.Well, that went south real fast. I thought I made it clear I didn't see it as an attack nor was my reply and attack (on you nor your review). So no struck nerves.
But alas it's on the text so it not always that easy to see the intentions. So I will make it clear again- my reply was simply my view on some of your points. Doesn't mean you're wrong or right nor does it mean I am wrong or right. Simply my point of view.
First thing first "Btw if you'd like this text to be in the review so it's no longer just 270 words I'll happily oblige. Just say the word."
Absolutely not, nothing wrong with your review nor should you change the star rating. It's biased free and reflects your opinion on the game.
Now, I cannot disagree with the shit coding part. I am still learning to code and it's always changing.
But I do disagree with it being unnecessary. For me, it is part of the immersive elements on how he is progressing throughout the Family and the ranks. Could be done with events and such but that is a huge undertaking. Same with stats, they play a role for both immersions but also for future parts. (love stats give extra scenes and MC stats will affect the future) This game is in development so the framework of that part is in constant change. That does not mean I believe it should be removed. But improved? Yes of course.
Free-roaming and story sections are separated for a reason. It's for the players to control the pace. They do the more *serious* story by clicking the continue button (vn style) and they play around the free-roaming when they want to relax and develop relationships with the girls. This system has worked really well so far and the majority of the feedback on that playstyle has been positive. It can feel disjointed if you see the system as something that is supposed to be *combined* in the sense that both sections should give the same outcomes and results. They do affect each other but in the end, are separated for a reason and the game do tell that (even with an in-game help section to explain it)
"Fuck, if these are mafiosos there should be hookers around right?"
I have heard those kinds of stuff a couple of times now too. 'This is a mafia game so there should be A or B' but I am creating my own universe with my own ruleset. I don't do anything that is supposed to be (hence the weirdness of the game).
There will be strippers, hookers, minor characters, and so on. But I will not add it simply for the sake of 'game must have sexual stuff'. That feels artificial to me.
"The last point (lack of lewds) I feel can't be argued with"
This I heavily disagree with. First of all yes, in an adult game, there should be adult stuff in. But I think where I disagree is your view on what is adult and what is not. In this game there is groping, nudity, grinding, kissing, fingering, pussy play and so on. Yet for you, this game is considered non-adult. You're saying there are other sites that take non-adult game but which sites accept a game with the tags mentioned above? Hence it has to go on the more physical side before you will label it as an acceptable adult game but this creates a limbo for the fans of the genre as games such as these will always be labeled adult (hard to create a family-friendly game with fingering of the female genitalia). Of course in the future, it will be way more physical, but rushing it (and adding side characters/events solely to force the game to have sex) is imo not necessary and a 'trap' many new devs fall into (I must add sex or my game will fail!).
And by the playerbase, this has received so far, and the people that like it means there is a market for games such as these. Games that can thrive without using the usual tropes such as early side characters to simply have sex with or events for the sole purpose of getting sexual stuff out there as fast as possible. (In fact, many people tend to skip start sex scenes as they have yet to develop any relationship with early side characters)
So about your last part about fixing/improved. No, I do not think it needs fixing as all of these elements were meant to be as such. Improved however is something that is always a priority.
But does all of these things mean you are wrong and I am right? Absolutely not. It simply shows that you have some preferences and views that are yours. And hence I don't want you to change your review or anything like that as it is a perfect reflection of what you think this game is and same-minded people like you will read it and can have a better understand or in other cases save some time altogether.
The main thing to take is that we should be careful to confuse preference as fact. Or preferences as 'this is how it is supposed to be'. Everyone is different and everyone have different needs. There are genres and style for everyone. The slow build-up to instant gratifications. Both are adult games. Just with different approaches.
Hope I explained myself better this time around, heh.
TD:LR nothing is wrong with your view nor your review. And a game is still an adult game even if it's only a bit of groping, nudity and finger play at the start.
Regarding the "adult" part I know the line can be hard to draw. I've never had to think about it much so I guess it's good we're having this discussion. It depends. I guess a rule of thumb can be: 'Can I show this to my (hypothetical) 15-year old niece?' If the answer is a clear and resounding "no" then it can qualify as adult. Well I guess I should qualify this better, I would be uncomfortable showing the violent scenes to my niece as-is, that shit can be really gruesome (in a good way) at times. But violence is everywhere and for violence to be "adult" it needs to be quite extreme. I'm going to define "adult" on the basis of which hot/lewd scenes would be too much for her. Nudity and foreplay I'm sure she could handle. Non-sexual full frontals would probably be OK too. I would probably have to draw a definite line at erect penises and insertions of any kind though. Maybe even nudity if the setting is highly sexualized or violent. I'm not going to touch on violence only. Maybe this is hypocritical of me, but I wouldn't for example classify Kill Bill as an "adult" film, even though it is highly violent and rated 18+.
I'll keep watching you and when I can no longer show your (sexy) work to my niece I will bump you up a point. When the mini games/dating sim parts are sorted and make sense you will get another.
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