Ren'Py Abandoned The DeLuca Family [Season 1] [HopesGaming]

[Jwow3]

So I had the gun problem too with Wilfred before the Ombra quest and I went back to a previous save and just skipped through the rest of the missions and quests I had done and then it worked so I'm not sure what's going on with it.

I also found a mistake in the Ombra quest. After Caterina and Amata fight when Serpent comes in the game lists Caterina as Caretaker.

 

[JJJ84]

So I had the gun problem too with Wilfred before the Ombra quest and I went back to a previous save and just skipped through the rest of the missions and quests I had done and then it worked so I'm not sure what's going on with it.

I also found a mistake in the Ombra quest. After Caterina and Amata fight when Serpent comes in the game lists Caterina as Caretaker. View attachment 1202958

With Wilfred's gun, I guess it would depend on whether you went to the park (with Luna) to collect the soldato package or not (though I can't say with certainty that was the only reason that the Ombra mission start for you may not have worked for you).

With the name, yeah. The "Caretaker" error (when it should be Caterina) has already been mentioned in the Dev's discord server, and it is expected to be fixed by the time next update comes.

 

[Dragon59]

So I had the gun problem too with Wilfred before the Ombra quest and I went back to a previous save and just skipped through the rest of the missions and quests I had done and then it worked so I'm not sure what's going on with it.

I also found a mistake in the Ombra quest. After Caterina and Amata fight when Serpent comes in the game lists Caterina as Caretaker. View attachment 1202958

For some reason, that particular image made me think:
Today, on The People's Court...

 

[Jwow3]

With Wilfred's gun, I guess it would depend on whether you went to the park (with Luna) to collect the soldato package or not (though I can't say with certainty that was the only reason that the Ombra mission start for you may not have worked for you).

With the name, yeah. The "Caretaker" error (when it should be Caterina) has already been mentioned in the Dev's discord server, and it is expected to be fixed by the time next update comes.

That's good to hear. I'm not on the Discord server so I didn't know. On the other hand I checked around the thing with Wilfred and the gun and I'm pretty sure it might be because I used console commands to boost my stats. The save I went back and used was totally normal and It got me into the Ombra mission where I could re-badassify my character although it does feel a bit strange to still be getting called a scrub when I'm basically superman on contracts.

 

[JJJ84]

That's good to hear. I'm not on the Discord server so I didn't know. On the other hand I checked around the thing with Wilfred and the gun and I'm pretty sure it might be because I used console commands to boost my stats. The save I went back and used was totally normal and It got me into the Ombra mission where I could re-badassify my character although it does feel a bit strange to still be getting called a scrub when I'm basically superman on contracts.

Well, this game doesn't need console commands to boost the stats (especially with the recent update v0.07 ~ v0.07.02), considering how generous the game is with the +1 stats it gives during story events as well as he numerous equipment anyway.
It's just not a difficult game at all, even though contracts can be a little bit of a challenge for those who try them for the first time.

And I really can't recommend using console commands or mods (which forcefully boost up MC's stats) for this game, since more likely than not, those types of edits are gonna break the save in one way or another like in your case (I think you're the second person I've seen recently who has said using console command either created an error or broke the save).

 

[JJJ84]

Might be feeling like Superman on entry level, "D" contracts.
These are for the lowest ranked people, so pretty scrubbish.
Once we're ranked highly enough for C, B & A, I don't know if we'll be flying quite so high.

lol probably when MC reaches S or S+ level contracts level, perhaps he'll reach the superhuman level.

To be honest though, I'm a bit puzzled as to why anyone would want to use consoles or mods for stats, since they would render equipment obsolete (I mean, the whole point of the equipment is for players to swap in and out different equipment to play the contracts in RPG kind of style).
Personally, if I did that (i.e. used the consoles or mods), I admit I wouldn't find the contracts as fun as I would normally (I mean, equipment I feel is almost half the fun).

 

[whichone]

lol probably when MC reaches S or S+ level contracts level, perhaps he'll reach the superhuman level.

To be honest though, I'm a bit puzzled as to why anyone would want to use consoles or mods for stats, since they would render equipment obsolete (I mean, the whole point of the equipment is for players to swap in and out different equipment to pla the contracts in RPG kind of style).
Personally, if I did that, I admit I wouldn't find the contracs as fun as I would normally (I mean, equipment I feel is almost half the fun).

Yeah, getting the new item which enables you to beat another stat check, which you were previously unable to, is an achievement.
Each to their own, but using mod or console to boost stats makes accomplishing anything gained by them have considerably less (zero) value, to me.
Takes the fun out of playing.
Progress by our own merit has value.
Progress by stat padding does not.
For me, anyway.

 

[JJJ84]

Any major changes other than the need for re start of game ??

Read the Changelog in the OP.

 

[Dragon59]

Read the Changelog in the OP.

Good answer. Especially since they don't provide the "since 0.0x.x" baseline. There's no way to hand the person the information (if you wanted to).

 

[JJJ84]

Good answer. Especially since they don't provide the "since 0.0x.x" baseline. There's no way to hand the person the information (if you wanted to).

You know, even if he provided the whole "since 0.0x.x" baseline, I most likely would have answered it in the same way.
Never liked spoon-feeding info (especially for something such as this, which is like 2 clicks of mouse away for the person to find out).

Just pointing the person in the right direction, with hope the same question doesn't get asked again anytime soon by others lol.

 

[JeefZ]

Maybe today I can start a save without gettin' blown by the crazy sons wife... For some reason it seems a healthy thing to do!

 

[TheCrimsonRevenger]

Maybe today I can start a save without gettin' blown by the crazy sons wife... For some reason it seems a healthy thing to do!

Absolute. Madness.

 

[WhiteyG]

Just a thought on getting the contracts to green. Any possibility that failure is needed in there to get it to go green. Although it would be strange that you would need to fail. I don't have a single green contract and I've played them through a bunch of times but never failed one. Unless there is an additional reward for getting the contract to green it doesn't matter to me.

 

[JJJ84]

Just a thought on getting the contracts to green. Any possibility that failure is needed in there to get it to go green. Although it would be strange that you would need to fail. I don't have a single green contract and I've played them through a bunch of times but never failed one. Unless there is an additional reward for getting the contract to green it doesn't matter to me.

Nimble Fingers contract, there's a way to get it to Green (think I myself and Whichone discussed several days ago (which we experimented with various ways and eventually got it).

The rest though, still remain at orange no matter how many times or different ways we've tried.
With Contracts I could be wrong, but isn't aborting them the only way to get failure?
Cause I did abort some of these contracts before and I don't think they made any difference.

 

[Dragon59]

You know, even if he provided the whole "since 0.0x.x" baseline, I most likely would have answered it in the same way.
Never liked spoon-feeding info (especially for something such as this, which is like 2 clicks of mouse away for the person to find out).

Just pointing the person in the right direction, with hope the same question doesn't get asked again anytime soon by others lol.

That's why I edited it to say, "If you wanted to."
Sometimes I think "trying to teach them to fish" is a bit of a lost cause.

 

[whichone]

You know, even if he provided the whole "since 0.0x.x" baseline, I most likely would have answered it in the same way.
Never liked spoon-feeding info (especially for something such as this, which is like 2 clicks of mouse away for the person to find out).

Just pointing the person in the right direction, with hope the same question doesn't get asked again anytime soon by others lol.

Give a man a fish & he can eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish & he can feed himself for life.
All can be taught, some just do not want to learn.

With Contracts I could be wrong, but isn't aborting them the only way to get failure?

Don't quote me on this, but I think that if you run out of MP by failing the stat checks, then you can fail.

Just a thought on getting the contracts to green. Any possibility that failure is needed in there to get it to go green. Although it would be strange that you would need to fail. I don't have a single green contract and I've played them through a bunch of times but never failed one. Unless there is an additional reward for getting the contract to green it doesn't matter to me.

Hopes responded saying that they should all go green when they hit 100%.
I have to hope that failure is not considered part of the 100% required for green. Could be though. Although, I've not failed any & have green for Nimble Fingers.

For Nimble Fingers, successfully completing all interactions gives the green. I would imagine that the book from the Market Trader & the ring from the Bikini Girl + the Lock Glasses from the Old Man are all needed, as well as stealing the jacket, then winning the fight + getting the reward from the guard & stealing the jewelry, so that being done across multiple saves is OK.
I asked for some definition/clarification of what should constitute 100% for the remaining 4.
The Bonanzo Meeting is only 6 dots on the map, including start & finish, so only 4 to explore and no options to do anything else.
So we've seemingly done 100% here. Still no green.
AFAIK there is no reward for getting them green, just for the sake of completion & satisfaction.

 

[Niv-Mizzet the Firemind]

lol probably when MC reaches S or S+ level contracts level, perhaps he'll reach the superhuman level.

To be honest though, I'm a bit puzzled as to why anyone would want to use consoles or mods for stats, since they would render equipment obsolete (I mean, the whole point of the equipment is for players to swap in and out different equipment to play the contracts in RPG kind of style).
Personally, if I did that (i.e. used the consoles or mods), I admit I wouldn't find the contracts as fun as I would normally (I mean, equipment I feel is almost half the fun).

As a really prolific cheater, I can probably answer that.

Generally speaking (not just about avns), if all the equipment does is raise your stats and change your appearance in an insignificant way, then the equipment doesn't matter to me.
I'd rather cheat my stats or the item than muck about for however long it will take me to get said item. If for example I need, say, 1000$ to buy a gun and I'll have to grind without advancing the story or have something fun happen, I'll cheat so that I'll see the story a little earlier.
If the same gun is a reward for an adequately written quest or an intense battle (see DOOM 2016), I'll happily play as the developer intended. The same goes for the stats. In the 6.x version of DLF I cheated money to buy the books, because not much was happening with the contracts.

Having said that, you are correct about the current version of the game. Half the fun of the contracts (for me) is the sequential discovery of things as the character gets better.

 

[JJJ84]

Having said that, you are correct about the current version of the game. Half the fun of the contracts (for me) is the sequential discovery of things as the character gets better.

Yeah, and I think this issue of Wilfred's Ombra mission not starting due to cheats serves as an unintended cautionary tale for people intending to cheat through this game also.
Because I think while not necessarily always, more often than not, these missions that MC does through main story (and not "work" through Wilfred) will have some sort of conditions attached to them (whether it's equipping certain items or something else).
And using cheats is bound to screw those conditions up one way or another.

As you and Whichone both said, discovery of equipment and growth of the MC through contracts is what really makes the contracts really fun (as well as their stories, of course).

 

[whichone]

Yeah, and I think this issue of Wilfred's Ombra mission not starting due to cheats serves as an unintended cautionary tale for people intending to cheat through this game also.
Because I think while not necessary always, more often than not, these missions that MC does through main story (and not "work" through Wilfred) will have some sort of conditions attached to them (whether it's equipping a certain items or something else).
And using cheats is bound to screw those conditions up one way or another.

As you and Whichone both said, discovery of equipment and growth of the MC through contracts is what really makes the contracts really fun (as well as their stories, of course).

Yeah, cheats and mods are OK for time saving, but they come unstuck when there are fixed triggers.
e.g. Trigger for Event X is reaching Level 8. I boost stats from Level 5 to 10 & cannot trigger the Event, due to not being at Level 8.

 

[whichone]

We said before about how the Contracts could actually be demarking the MC progressing through the ranks of the Family.
Getting S rank on all means we're too good for D and need promotion to C level, which could also provide a promotion in Family rank.
Soldato & Elite for C.
Elite & Capo for B.
Capo & Serpent for A.
Serpent only for S.

It would be nice if, when we get an S rank/all S ranks for D, someone in the game commented on it. Wilfred, or Cordia.
Either in relation to the promotion, or just as a remark in passing.