Ren'Py Abandoned The DeLuca Family [Season 1] [HopesGaming]

[JJJ84]

Good answer. Especially since they don't provide the "since 0.0x.x" baseline. There's no way to hand the person the information (if you wanted to).

You know, even if he provided the whole "since 0.0x.x" baseline, I most likely would have answered it in the same way.
Never liked spoon-feeding info (especially for something such as this, which is like 2 clicks of mouse away for the person to find out).

Just pointing the person in the right direction, with hope the same question doesn't get asked again anytime soon by others lol.

 

[JeefZ]

Maybe today I can start a save without gettin' blown by the crazy sons wife... For some reason it seems a healthy thing to do!

 

[TheCrimsonRevenger]

Maybe today I can start a save without gettin' blown by the crazy sons wife... For some reason it seems a healthy thing to do!

Absolute. Madness.

 

[WhiteyG]

Just a thought on getting the contracts to green. Any possibility that failure is needed in there to get it to go green. Although it would be strange that you would need to fail. I don't have a single green contract and I've played them through a bunch of times but never failed one. Unless there is an additional reward for getting the contract to green it doesn't matter to me.

 

[JJJ84]

Just a thought on getting the contracts to green. Any possibility that failure is needed in there to get it to go green. Although it would be strange that you would need to fail. I don't have a single green contract and I've played them through a bunch of times but never failed one. Unless there is an additional reward for getting the contract to green it doesn't matter to me.

Nimble Fingers contract, there's a way to get it to Green (think I myself and Whichone discussed several days ago (which we experimented with various ways and eventually got it).

The rest though, still remain at orange no matter how many times or different ways we've tried.
With Contracts I could be wrong, but isn't aborting them the only way to get failure?
Cause I did abort some of these contracts before and I don't think they made any difference.

 

[Dragon59]

You know, even if he provided the whole "since 0.0x.x" baseline, I most likely would have answered it in the same way.
Never liked spoon-feeding info (especially for something such as this, which is like 2 clicks of mouse away for the person to find out).

Just pointing the person in the right direction, with hope the same question doesn't get asked again anytime soon by others lol.

That's why I edited it to say, "If you wanted to."
Sometimes I think "trying to teach them to fish" is a bit of a lost cause.

 

[whichone]

You know, even if he provided the whole "since 0.0x.x" baseline, I most likely would have answered it in the same way.
Never liked spoon-feeding info (especially for something such as this, which is like 2 clicks of mouse away for the person to find out).

Just pointing the person in the right direction, with hope the same question doesn't get asked again anytime soon by others lol.

Give a man a fish & he can eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish & he can feed himself for life.
All can be taught, some just do not want to learn.

With Contracts I could be wrong, but isn't aborting them the only way to get failure?

Don't quote me on this, but I think that if you run out of MP by failing the stat checks, then you can fail.

Just a thought on getting the contracts to green. Any possibility that failure is needed in there to get it to go green. Although it would be strange that you would need to fail. I don't have a single green contract and I've played them through a bunch of times but never failed one. Unless there is an additional reward for getting the contract to green it doesn't matter to me.

Hopes responded saying that they should all go green when they hit 100%.
I have to hope that failure is not considered part of the 100% required for green. Could be though. Although, I've not failed any & have green for Nimble Fingers.

For Nimble Fingers, successfully completing all interactions gives the green. I would imagine that the book from the Market Trader & the ring from the Bikini Girl + the Lock Glasses from the Old Man are all needed, as well as stealing the jacket, then winning the fight + getting the reward from the guard & stealing the jewelry, so that being done across multiple saves is OK.
I asked for some definition/clarification of what should constitute 100% for the remaining 4.
The Bonanzo Meeting is only 6 dots on the map, including start & finish, so only 4 to explore and no options to do anything else.
So we've seemingly done 100% here. Still no green.
AFAIK there is no reward for getting them green, just for the sake of completion & satisfaction.

 

[Niv-Mizzet the Firemind]

lol probably when MC reaches S or S+ level contracts level, perhaps he'll reach the superhuman level.

To be honest though, I'm a bit puzzled as to why anyone would want to use consoles or mods for stats, since they would render equipment obsolete (I mean, the whole point of the equipment is for players to swap in and out different equipment to play the contracts in RPG kind of style).
Personally, if I did that (i.e. used the consoles or mods), I admit I wouldn't find the contracts as fun as I would normally (I mean, equipment I feel is almost half the fun).

As a really prolific cheater, I can probably answer that.

Generally speaking (not just about avns), if all the equipment does is raise your stats and change your appearance in an insignificant way, then the equipment doesn't matter to me.
I'd rather cheat my stats or the item than muck about for however long it will take me to get said item. If for example I need, say, 1000$ to buy a gun and I'll have to grind without advancing the story or have something fun happen, I'll cheat so that I'll see the story a little earlier.
If the same gun is a reward for an adequately written quest or an intense battle (see DOOM 2016), I'll happily play as the developer intended. The same goes for the stats. In the 6.x version of DLF I cheated money to buy the books, because not much was happening with the contracts.

Having said that, you are correct about the current version of the game. Half the fun of the contracts (for me) is the sequential discovery of things as the character gets better.

 

[JJJ84]

Having said that, you are correct about the current version of the game. Half the fun of the contracts (for me) is the sequential discovery of things as the character gets better.

Yeah, and I think this issue of Wilfred's Ombra mission not starting due to cheats serves as an unintended cautionary tale for people intending to cheat through this game also.
Because I think while not necessarily always, more often than not, these missions that MC does through main story (and not "work" through Wilfred) will have some sort of conditions attached to them (whether it's equipping certain items or something else).
And using cheats is bound to screw those conditions up one way or another.

As you and Whichone both said, discovery of equipment and growth of the MC through contracts is what really makes the contracts really fun (as well as their stories, of course).

 

[whichone]

Yeah, and I think this issue of Wilfred's Ombra mission not starting due to cheats serves as an unintended cautionary tale for people intending to cheat through this game also.
Because I think while not necessary always, more often than not, these missions that MC does through main story (and not "work" through Wilfred) will have some sort of conditions attached to them (whether it's equipping a certain items or something else).
And using cheats is bound to screw those conditions up one way or another.

As you and Whichone both said, discovery of equipment and growth of the MC through contracts is what really makes the contracts really fun (as well as their stories, of course).

Yeah, cheats and mods are OK for time saving, but they come unstuck when there are fixed triggers.
e.g. Trigger for Event X is reaching Level 8. I boost stats from Level 5 to 10 & cannot trigger the Event, due to not being at Level 8.

 

[whichone]

We said before about how the Contracts could actually be demarking the MC progressing through the ranks of the Family.
Getting S rank on all means we're too good for D and need promotion to C level, which could also provide a promotion in Family rank.
Soldato & Elite for C.
Elite & Capo for B.
Capo & Serpent for A.
Serpent only for S.

It would be nice if, when we get an S rank/all S ranks for D, someone in the game commented on it. Wilfred, or Cordia.
Either in relation to the promotion, or just as a remark in passing.

 

[JJJ84]

We said before about how the Contracts could actually be demarking the MC progressing through the ranks of the Family.
Getting S rank on all means we're too good for D and need promotion to C level, which could also provide a promotion in Family rank.
Soldato & Elite for C.
Elite & Capo for B.
Capo & Serpent for A.
Serpent only for S.

It would be nice if, when we get an S rank/all S ranks for D, someone in the game commented on it. Wilfred, or Cordia.
Either in relation to the promotion, or just as a remark in passing.

You know, even if Vincent the old retired Capo remarks on it, I'd like it (and in Vincent's case of his interactions with MC, might even be hilarious).

Example:

Vincent: You little rascal, come here!
MC: (thinking to himself) 'What does this damn old man want now?'

Vincent: Reports say you've done well on your contracts! Good job!
MC: Uhhh..... thanks?
Vincent: Quiet! Now just because you've done a good job with these contracts, you better not let it go to your head, you rascal! And if I see you flirting again with the family's soldiers, I'll make you wish you were back in that freezer again!!

MC: (says in low voice to himself) Won't even congratulate me properly. Damn this old man....
Vincent: What did you say?!
MC: Uhh....Nothing sir!


Gotta admit, it's difficult to think of Vincent's dialogue considering he had only like 3 or 4 lines of proper dialogue in "The Blizzard Princess" event.

 

[whichone]

You know, even if Vincent the old retired Capo remarks on it, I'd like it (and in Vincent's case with his interactions MC, might even be hilarious).

Example:

Vincent: You little rascal, come here!
MC: (thinking to himself) 'What does this damn old man want now?'

Vincent: Reports say you've done well on your contracts! Good job!
MC: Uhhh..... thanks?
Vincent: Quiet! Now just because you've done a good job with these contracts, you better not let it go to your head, you rascal! And if I see you flirting again with the family's soldiers, I'll make you wish you were back in that freezer again!!

MC: (says in low voice to himself) Won't even congratulate me properly. Damn this old man....
Vincent: What did you say?!
MC: Uhh....Nothing sir!


Gotta admit, it's difficult to think of Vincent's dialogue considering he had only like 3 or 4 lines of proper dialogue in "The Blizzard Princess" event.

I like it! Yeah, something just like that, in game. Just a small interaction, while doing something else.
Maybe the kids from The Bonano Meeting, while we're in Lucania, or Lelianna could say something in a small scene, like the one in the office, before the rescue mission.

 

[Ayhsel]

You know, even if Vincent the old retired Capo remarks on it, I'd like it (and in Vincent's case of his interactions with MC, might even be hilarious).

Example:

Vincent: You little rascal, come here!
MC: (thinking to himself) 'What does this damn old man want now?'

Vincent: Reports say you've done well on your contracts! Good job!
MC: Uhhh..... thanks?
Vincent: Quiet! Now just because you've done a good job with these contracts, you better not let it go to your head, you rascal! And if I see you flirting again with the family's soldiers, I'll make you wish you were back in that freezer again!!

MC: (says in low voice to himself) Won't even congratulate me properly. Damn this old man....
Vincent: What did you say?!
MC: Uhh....Nothing sir!


Gotta admit, it's difficult to think of Vincent's dialogue considering he had only like 3 or 4 lines of proper dialogue in "The Blizzard Princess" event.

We need to find out if he has a daughter, and give him a grandchild

 

[JJJ84]

I like it! Yeah, something just like that, in game. Just a small interaction, while doing something else.
Maybe the kids from The Bonano Meeting, while we're in Lucania, or Lelianna could say something in a small scene, like the one in the office, before the rescue mission.

Yeah, something that feels a bit like a milestone, or achievement as well as a bit of an intermission between the contracts.

- Kids from Bonanzo meeting: perhaps they can lead the MC to a hidden treasure (a rare equipment) that they find, which MC can use.
- Leliana: congratulations dialogue from her as well as giving our MC a long French Kiss as a way of congratulations.

Damn, since I'm giving these two extra scenarios something, I gotta think of something extra for Vincent scenario (cause let's face it, we all want incentives and something extra, and the damn old man yelling at us is.......not that much of an incentive . Unfortunately, lewd is not in the cards with Vincent's case unless the player is into dudes lmao)

We need to find out if he has a daughter, and give him a grandchild

You know, I often forget that our MC is living on borrowed time heh.
If we give him a grandchild I'm sure Vincent will kill us for sure, but we're already doomed for screwing around with both of the Donna's daughters, her daughter in law, as well as the Donna herself (in the future).
I have nothing to lose, and nothing to fear

 

[whichone]

Yeah, something that feels a bit like a milestone, or achievement as well as a bit of an intermission between the contracts.

- Kids from Bonanzo meeting: perhaps they can lead the MC to a hidden treasure (a rare equipment) that they find, which MC can use.
- Leliana: congratulations dialogue from her as well as giving our MC a long French Kiss as a way of congratulations.

Damn, since I'm giving these two extra scenarios something, I gotta think of something extra for Vincent scenario (cause let's face it, we all want incentives and something extra, and the damn old man yelling at us is.......not that much of an incentive . Unfortunately, lewd is not in the cards with Vincent's case unless the player is into dudes lmao)

Yeah, if the kids are gonna give us gear, then Vincent can give us some old clothing/weapon, bit like the Ombra ones.
Leliana would need different scenes, depending if we kissed her, or bought drinks. Obviously kiss takes priority, if we've done both.

 

[JJJ84]

Yeah, if the kids are gonna give us gear, then Vincent can give us some old clothing/weapon, bit like the Ombra ones.
Leliana would need different scenes, depending if we kissed her, or bought drinks. Obviously kiss takes priority, if we've done both.

French kiss or even something more (possibly sex?) if Hopes intends to build MC's relationship with Leliana within these contracts (since obviously in main story the main girls take priority), considering it's been said that contracts may get into more sexual situations quicker than the main story.

With Vincent, perhaps an equipment that focuses on Threat stat increase (as well as little increase in offense) may be good, given Vincent's imposing presence towards......well a lot of characters.

 

[whichone]

French kiss or even something more (possibly sex?) if Hopes intends to build MC's relationship with Leliana within these contracts (since obviously in main story the main girls take priority), considering it's been said that contracts may get into more sexual situations quicker than the main story.

With Vincent, perhaps an equipment that focuses on Threat stat increase (as well as little increase in offense) may be good, given Vincent's imposing presence towards......well a lot of characters.

I mean that when we accomplish something in the contracts, it would be nice for it to be referenced in the main game.
So we kiss Leliana, or buy drinks in the contract. Then we have something, maybe in the shopping scene, or in the scene before the rescue mission, that she references it.
We send the kids on the rooftop distraction in the contract then, when we go to Lucania with Gracie alone, or with Gracie & Luna, or a new, different scene later, we see them again & they mention it, but as part of the main game.
Maybe Vincent knows the old Ombra soldato, from The Painter & remarks on how we did well, against a tough old guy.

Really, just thinking of interconnecting the 2 a bit more, so that contracts are more involved in & part of the game world.

 

[c3p0]

French kiss or even something more (possibly sex?) if Hopes intends to build MC's relationship with Leliana within these contracts (since obviously in main story the main girls take priority), considering it's been said that contracts may get into more sexual situations quicker than the main story.

With Vincent, perhaps an equipment that focuses on Threat stat increase (as well as little increase in offense) may be good, given Vincent's imposing presence towards......well a lot of characters.

From his interactions so far, Vincent will give us a slap on the head at best.
And then would say something around the lines of respect for the elder.
Perhaps he could give us some of his old gear with a comment that now we shouldn't embrass our family so much as we've done before or he will take the gear back.

 

[JJJ84]

From his interactions so far, Vincent will give us a slap on the head at best.
And then would say something around the lines of respect for the elder.
Perhaps he could give us some of his old gear with a comment that now we shouldn't embrass our family so much as we've done before or he will take the gear back.

lol he'll give us plenty more than a slap if we give him a grandchild (as Ayhsel suggested)!