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Ayhsel

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I'm just gonna say I have become a Patreon of this game. It has the potential to compete with the best commercial games: with time, effort and support I am talking Muvluv, Steins Gate, Fata Morgana level. I know I am setting expectations very high, but I think it is that good in terms of story, quality, writing and more. Obviously, game is still extremely short and just barely started walking, let alone reaching the sky of those game. We are far away to see whether we get to that, but that is why I am supporting it. Money better spent than almost every other visual novel on steam and several other media.
 
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JJJ84

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Thank you all for the kind words. I have read all the posts and especially thank you to the people taking the time to make a review and rating of the game. Really love seeing those!




1. The big families have their own defense. Can't get too much into it but so far we have only fought against some low-class mercenaries and some lower ranked defectors from the Fazio's.

2. Punishment for that would be dead. So, how that will go only time will tell. Right now it only affects morality stat.

3. Kind of.

4. Yes.

5. Already planned for many funsies events in the future.

7. We will get to see how Wilfred and Cordia meet but I won't go too far with Wilfreds backstory. Wilfred is Wilfred, heh.

8. We will definitely get to see more of the Kaskar Family.

9. That could be fun. But sadly not something possible for someone working alone. Already got too much on my platter. But who knows what will happen in the future.

10. Yes, it was planned for. Not so much that the 'strongest' girl broke. But rather the one who was the most relied on and the one Luna felt the safest around.
Gaia 'saves' Luna from Viola at the start. Viola 'saves' Luna from Gaia at the end.
In Luna's mind, Viola was frightening and scary at first. Gaia was the angel and a safe heaven.
It is a mean to mess up Luna's mind even further.

11. He was aware.

12. He was captured alongside Luna. Tried to show that with a longer beard, dirt and ragged clothes instead of words.

14. Wilfred was a bit of a player in his younger days.

15. Wilfred. Absolutely.
Wow, thanks for the detailed answers man! Really appreciate it!!
 

cccxxx

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rather strange update after half a year of waiting ....
while it does establish a strong story / character , it makes me wonder whether the dev will gain or loose patreons.
this is supposed to be rather erotic material
the doofus charcter should at least be able to go whoring
and since he is un upcomer maybe he should be able to build a gang already
ps alexandra game does a mafia story with less seriousness but greater appeal
:)
 
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tomcire

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This is the only game here where I don't care at all about the erotic scenes, they actually are annoying because they interrupt the cool fiction and the cute romances!
I would really see an animated series of this... drama, comedy, action, epic... just awesome.
Call netflix dude.
 

Silvallié

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Well the full version was a huge blow makes me wonder if we will see Gaia, Laura and Viola in the future.
 

HopesGaming

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rather strange update after half a year of waiting ....
while it does establish a strong story / character , it makes me wonder whether the dev will gain or loose patreons.
this is supposed to be rather erotic material
the doofus charcter should at least be able to go whoring
and since he is un upcomer maybe he should be able to build a gang already
ps alexandra game does a mafia story with less seriousness but greater appeal
:)
Luckily I have gained.
And hopefully without sounding too arrogant. The game is supposed to be whatever I decide it should be. I have yet to change my ways even with a couple of people trying to tell me how my game should be made. And Alexandre (great game) and this game is very different and can't be compared.
It would be the same as saying John Wick and Godfather are comparable by having mafia in those movies.
 

Ayhsel

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Call netflix dude.
I would not like that. For me visual novels are the best media to tell a story. When I see a movie, it is somebody's else story. You feel detached from it. If MC lives or die, saves the princess or kills anyone is irrelevant to you. In visual novel, I usually can get into character.
Also, there is a level of depth you just can't go into tv series or movies. Visual novels, as books allows you to go into details and explanations. But think for example how much it takes to read one simple scene, when the writer is describing the elements going on and feelings of the characters compared to the same scene in a movie or tv series. I prefer a slower, more detailed pace.
Besides, it is almost impossible to have different routes on tv series, and many histories require that events are revealed only through different story branches. For example, in a visual novel about two rival heroines, you may not understand what is going on with them unless you join them, so while in a route one of them maybe a total bitch, it may actually be different reason that is pushing that character's actions.
 
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tomcire

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I would not like that. [...]
I was joking, but adaptation can be made without removing any charm of the original, off course different media different works, but it's full of popular tv series inspired by VN.
I would send this VN to Netflix anyway, at least its screenwriters may learn something.
 
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Skyline®

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Managed to play through this update.
Powerful stuff, well worth the wait. Loved this update as all of the others before.
It's just too bad that it takes so long between updates, but I understand since HopesGaming does most of it himself.

Keep doing what you do man, thank you so much for the awesome story
 
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Yup, Joey is fantastic. Also, in retrospect, I wish I would've choose the Short Version. :cry: To be fair it did warn me..

I have to say, this game keeps on giving. I just know every update no matter how small gives so much to the story and adds another layer to character depth. One thing I will say is I'm hoping to see is some mommy Cordia roleplay with main character. She's personally my favorite and any mother-son type interaction is A+ in my book. Already hints but nothing for certain yet. Regardless, keep up the amazing work!
 

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I have to say, the use of "I did not break" by older luna came out of nowhere and in the wrong context. There was no reason for her to react like that after easily killing those folks. The whole scene lacks substance. I will explain why. The only way a real person would enter a traumatic shock like that is after experiencing TRAUMA. She didn't lose to those guys, she did not get beaten, she did not get kidnapped and tortured for Deluca information.

She just killed a few folks and displayed PTSD behaviour without experiencing the behavioural trigger. Only a real natural trigger such as the one I mentioned above can indeed push someone overboard into her facial expressions and the quote "I did not break". We find out later where the quote comes from and it ties nicely into the story but there's a massive hole that simply doesn't explain her behaviour and uttered words.

I understand you're borrowing scenes from famous and not so famous movies. Like the one (NAKED WEAPON year 2002) with the three young girls trained to be assassins until they grow up and in order for their training to be complete, Madam M in charge of the operation drugs them and has them raped by some three randoms so that they are not virgin anymore in order to complete seduction type assassinations amongst other things. Or Salt where young girls are paired with other girls for training and then asked to kill each other to complete their training. Or Kingsmen where young spies are asked to care for a pet for a long time and then force them to kill their pet to complete one stage of the training. Or the movie PET year 2016 with the girl kidnapped and trapped into a cage and forced to do bizarre things.

There are scenes borrowed from Godfather, John Wick, Kingsmen, Salt, Azumi, Kite .. etc. But that's OK.
This is not a complaint. But I want to point out that the scenes in those movies have substance behind them. If you really decided to continue this game as a story based game then you have to constantly ask the question "Why?".

Every time you finish a new scene, watch it, split it into chapters and always ask the question "Why". If you do that, then you'll avoid running into troublesome plot holes such as the Luna PTSD I did not break moment. Because in that particular case, the question "Why" would have lead you to re-write the story part right before it happened so that the whole scene warrants her behavioural display, ties into the scenario, and completely makes sense.

As it stands at the moment. When I watch that scene and I ask myself "Why?", Why does she express PTSD disorder both facially and verbally for the first time, out of nowhere and without it being triggered, I have no answer. There is no catalyst to induce the scene. Do you understand what I'm talking about somewhat? It's all about context and substance.

As an example, in SCARFACE, the character Tony Montana starts shouting "Say hello to my lil' friend" and goes all out guns blazing. When asking the question "Why", Why would a man like that do such a thing when he could just about do anything else. Like run away through the back door, out the window or simply hide somewhere or break down crying in fear. He does none of those because there IS in fact an answer to the question "Why".

The answer to why? : Because there is no way out, no back door, there are assassins everywhere surrounding the entire mansion, there is nowhere to hide, he is not the type of man to break out crying and he is in shock after many of his men and Gina are killed while riding the highest high on a mountain of cocaine turning delirious AND therefore wants to go out all guns blazing! Which is exactly why he does so! The whole scene explains itself.

Also a suggestion: I wouldn't mind if you add more Mafia scenes and story similar to the ones in LA BELLA MAFIA. Which is just as good as The Godfather. Heck, you can even borrow scenes from The Darkness. The Mafia Game where the main character keeps seeing his dead girlfriend/wife, re living the past memories vividly on a constant basis, whenever he is alone after coming home from the daily rampage.
 
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HopesGaming

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I have to say, the use of "I did not break" by older luna came out of nowhere and in the wrong context. There was no reason for her to react like that after easily killing those folks. The whole scene lacks substance. I will explain why. The only way a real person would enter a traumatic shock like that is after experiencing TRAUMA. She didn't lose to those guys, she did not get beaten, she did not get kidnapped and tortured for Deluca information.

She just killed a few folks and displayed PTSD behaviour without experiencing the behavioural trigger. Only a real natural trigger such as the one I mentioned above can indeed push someone overboard into her facial expressions and the quote "I did not break". We find out later where the quote comes from and it ties nicely into the story but there's a massive hole that simply doesn't explain her behaviour and uttered words.

I understand you're borrowing scenes from famous and not so famous movies. Like the one (which I shall not mention) with the young girls being kidnapped and trained to be assassins (which also includes the scene of killing the favorite animal) until they grow up and they are asked to fight each other to the death where in the end only three of them survive the ordeal, and in order for their training to be complete, the guy in charge drugs them and has them raped by some three randoms so that they are not virgin anymore in order to complete seduction type assassinations amongst other things.

There are also scenes borrowed from Godfather, John Wick, Kingsmen, Salt, Azumi, Kite .. etc.
This is not a complaint. But I want to point out that the scenes in those movies have substance behind them. If you really decided to continue this game as a story based game then you have to constantly ask the question "Why?".

Every time you finish a new scene, watch it, split it into chapters and always ask the question "Why". If you do that, then you'll avoid running into troublesome plot holes such as the Luna PTSD I did not break moment. Because in that particular case, the question "Why" would have lead you to re-write the story part right before it happened so that the whole scene warrants her behavioural display.
The trigger wasn't the dead of the bodyguard. That would be ridiculous as it's not the first time for her. It was seeing the shocked face of our mc. (A look that gave the impression that there was something wrong with her- that she was 'broken'.) It was that moment the realization hit her.
And if looking deeper into the relationship between the two of them and the sides and behavior Luna has shown towards the mc, it is pretty clear why she reacted as she did which I believe the majority of the readers did understand as you are the first one to see it as a plot hole.

It is true that I have been inspired by movies all from the likes of Godfather, Goodfellas and basically whatever I watched throughout my life. Like any author has.
With that said, the movie you speak of, I can honestly say I have no idea which movie that is. The whole scene was not based on anything like that. I created that myself without any references.

I thank you for the constructive criticism, but I believe I have a firm grasp on my story and my storytelling abilities.
 

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I also don't have a clue what movie is he talking about? :) Can you tell us the title of the movie?, i want to wach it :D
 

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You do have a firm grasp on the storytelling. Hence why the only thing I constructively criticised is the PTSD moment (from the entire game).

If I were to really nitpick into the story, the only thing not sitting quite right is the MC being a coward and shooting blindly from behind the crates when earlier in the game he was Very Brave and was about to die to save Luna and her sister. But that's just a nit grit. It's fine as it is I guess. Some would say the MC hasn't yet made up his mind and is still looking for a way out of his predicament or that he simply does not like violence to begin with even though he would act if the situation called for it.

I have updated the above reply if you mind reading it again as it needed a bit of edit. And thanks for understanding that I only wanted to offer constrictive criticism. Many devs just turn into savage beasts if anyone says something on the negative side about their game.

I love your game and only want it to grow bigger and simply be the best story game on F95. Perhaps even outside of the site.
Thanks and have a good day.
 
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