I think it's just a given they tend to (mostly) respect and care about each other, they weren't introduced as a couple that pushes each other around, no, they want to make sure they're both having a good time.
As for Scarlet's comment on "having to run everything by him first", that's because almost all the interactions we've seen have been in the context of her doing something sexually wild that would potentially be outside the bounds of a normal relationship. I'd full well expect if he were doing something like participating with another girl he'd run it by her (or at least be given the choice - in my playthroughs i turned down the mom in milliseconds, since obviously they didn't talk about that together).
if it's about the recent update I heard there was a bug or something but im not sure how true that is. other wise yeah the Park kind of counts I guess I dont count it I say that's more NTR light but the dream does seem really weird if not going down the NTR path to me.
yup agree and that's why I decline to have sex with the officer worker ( forgot her name want to say it's Clara) when the boss tries to force you to as without talking it through would be cheating.
I am not talking about the dream. I am talking about her masturbating in-front of two guys and on camera:
I don't care that it is not actual sex, I still consider it cheating, I was already unhappy about her unavoidably kissing another dude, this is way worse. It is more severe than her letting the guy in the cell jerk off to her, and that was a choice, while this is unavoidable. From this point on selecting any non-NTR choices is completely meaningless, the whole game should be played as NTR only, if your girlfriend is practically a pornstar there is no point caring about any other NTR.
ah yeah I heard that might be a bug from what I read I have no idea how true that is however. Just something I read a a day or 2 ago . But yeah I agree that was so weird on a non NTR path if you dont let her reveal her breast or anything. One thing that she wears the revealing clothing which I was able to look past as a mistake but this yeah idk that's a bit far. Which is why im going to wait till the next update to see how if it is or not from what I read the fix won't be included till that update. So if it isn't a bug I might drop the Non NTR save and only play the NTR one.
Here are my thoughts:
Unavoidable huge strike one:
And I consider it to be full blown cheating not because she just gave him a peck for the picture, but specifically because in her thoughts she is enjoying the kiss, if she wants to help out for the picture it should be a fake peck, not her enjoying making out with another dude.
Unavoidable strike two:
She is a hoe that strips for her colleagues. In no way shape or form is that being loyal.
The post above was the final strike three. Even though it could be a bug because:
You can say don't do it here, but she still does it. Ok, fair enough, if she stops completely after modelling regular clothes and doesn't model underwear at all, doesn't strip and doesn't masturbate it can still be salvaged.
But changes need to happen in the other two instances too. First one is easy to fix, if she needs to give the guy a fake peck in order to progress the story with the guys so that she models regular clothes, then fine, but don't make her enjoy and actual kiss. And in the second instance make her pass the interview normally instead of whoring herself out.
PS: Don't care about the dream at all because it is just a dream.
Fair enough I see things a bit different personally since I dont consider the first two really going against NTR all that much. But I do agree with you it would be better to fix them in the ways you mentioned. For me the kiss isn't a big deal, but I can understand why you or the others do especially after giving your reason of not liking her thoughts after it. .
The second one is a bit of a grey area for me. I 100% understand why you count the second one even if I don't. I almost count it. Here is my reason for not count it. As she was just undoing one button to seduce them, while still being a bit slutty not enough for me to be against it or count as a strike as anti NTR personally. Then the shirt comes undone on accident and well since they saw her in her bra she just takes the shirt off. While yeah she probably should of just gone and fixed her shirt. This one for me is on the edge of it and in the grey area for me. As her intention wasn't to strip but to tease a bit by undoing on button. Because of that context I do give it a pass just barley cause yeah she did act slutty and didn't bother to fix the shirt but it wasn't the initial intention so I can just barley give it a pass.
100% the 3rd one counts for me as a strike tho even the revealing clothing I almost count as a strike but I let it pass just cause I chalk it up to a dev mistake but yeah then getting naked went to far on the non NTR path.
Ok, when I say NTR I guess what I mean is cheating. If my girlfriend makes out with another dude and on top of that enjoys it, that is cheating. If my girlfriend strips for other men, I consider that cheating. Ask yourself if you would be ok with your girlfriend making out with other guys or stripping for them, or if you would go - well they didn't have sex, so its fine.
Yes, like I said it was a combination of 1) A real kiss. Why is it a real kiss? You can do a fake peck for the picture. 2) She enjoyed the kiss. If she just gave a dude a fake peck for the picture it would be fine.
Ok, sure, so far so good.
And here you lost me. Because:
Exactly, a normal persons reaction is to cover yourself and excuse yourself to fix your top. Though even here, the small details was that she did an exaggerated stretch practically undoing her top on purpose. Her reaction afterwards almost seems like everything was going according to her plan, I can't give this a pass.
The revealing outfits are a strike too because in some of those underwear the bra is completely transparent and there is a pussy hole in some underwear, so she is showing off her intimate parts in all their glory to two dudes AND on camera, masturbation is just an extra layer on top of that which at that point is not that far fetched. Like if my girlfriend showed her bare pussy to someone I wouldn't go ''Ok this is fine'' but then if she masturbates: ''Oh no, that is too far'', it was already too far. The interview just in a bra was already too far.
Haha this conversation makes me want to go back and replay this path sometime I didn't realize it was a exaggerated stretch cause yeah then I wouldn't give that a pass either. I assumed it was an accident.
But to answer your question about the kissing scene. I'd probably say it's fine because of my personality and Id just be happy as long as she would want to come home to me but yeah I do see your point. Cause yeah I wouldn't want it any of that to happen either but because of what I said id ultimately be okay with it, as long as she told me and didn't keep it a secret.
But overall all fair points indeed just felt like sharing my point of view. Truth be told the 2 issues we differ on when it comes to this path are close to being an issue for me but im not quite there probably mostly due to my personality. As I consider my self a real forgiving , understanding and passive person.
This been a fun conversation seeing our 2 different point of views yet having the same issue ultimately when it comes down to this path. Cause yeah the photoshoot stuff is not a minor strike for me it's a big one that honestly i'm close to not even bothering playing anything but the NTR path if it wasn't a bug like I heard it was and I see one more thing that counts as a strike for that path or least really close to it.
I gotta say I was confused by her actions a little bit. While I generally don't mind NTR, I went back a few saves to make sure Kathryn could refuse Nate at the park. Instead of kissing/getting groped, she runs away but she still gets naked for the guy and his photographer friend, which was odd to me. At the end I didn't consider it NTR because I could stop her from blowing Nate (which frustrates him a lot, making me happy because I don't like him), and the boyfriend gets the blowjob instead.
Still, I get over NTR pretty quick because I don't feel attached to characters that much but it was indeed odd. My question would be, to those sensitive to NTR, why play this game? I see the netorare tag there with no indication that it is avoidable...
I am not so much sensitive to NTR as I am frustrated to be forced to play something different than what I wanted to play. I CAN enjoy an NTR game but I PREFER something else. When a game gives me the opportunity to play something else but then goes ''syke bitch, it was NTR all along!'' I don't like that. It has nothing to do specifically with NTR, for example I also prefer games that are not harem, I would be just as disappointed if a game offered me a bunch of choices for monogamous paths, but then suddenly went: ''Actually it was harem all along! You don't get a choice anymore, now you get with all the girls!''
If you want to make an NTR game, make an NTR game, don't offer players the choice not to participate in NTR, but then still force them to participate in NTR after they continuously made choices not to. Makes sense?
Seriously? The game itself gives you the indicators. I'm sorry, if the NTR is unavoidable how does this make sense in any way shape or form?
The game offers me a choice and gives me a warning in CAPS about NTR because NTR is meant to be unavoidable? Bamboozle is what it is.
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I'm not talking about the choices but the tag. That should be your #1 red flag. Still, people go in and download "to be sure" I guess?
To clarify, I said I was confused when she got naked because I thought I had made the wrong choice before but she does it no matter what. However, when she did I wasn't surprised. Why would I be? It's tagged NTR not harem.
I'd understand your point if you saw a harem tag here and you decided to play because it would mean it offers both paths, harem or NTR. That would be what you're looking for in case you don't want to see the girls doing anything with other charachters, a harem game where only the male MC gets to have sex.
You really can't debate this game is not appropiately tagged. No harem tag means not only the MC gets to do stuff.
I don't mean to talk for you but it kind of does like you might be missing the point a bit or I just miss understand your point. I dont think he minds NTR content so the tag doesn't bother him from his post. Obviously I cant speak for him so ill speak for myself as it felt like we share kind of the same overall opinion even if our point of view differ on a few things that took place in the game from out conversation earlier.
The issue isn't it's tagged as NTR that has never been the issue , as you right you cant play a NTR tagged game and get surprised when there is NTR. The point is even with the NTR tag the game presents it's self in a fashion that you can play a NTR path and a Non NTR path aka NTR is optional. When a game presents it's self in away that it's optional it's easy to forget it's a NTR game at times.
So when playing a non NTR path you wouldn't expect NTR stuff to happen at least not things that , are on the extreme side of the spectrum. Take the photoshoot for example. I played a non NTR path she never showed her breast or did anything sexual with anyone up to that point expect for the kiss and the slutty teasing she did during the interview. So nothing to extreme for me. Then comes the photoshoot I declined to allow her to show her breast in the micro bikini which she accepted. Then she we dont get a choice really in if she wears revealing clothing one is completely transparent another shows off her vagina. That right there made go ??? wtf considering how she just agreed not to show off her breast. Then comes the commercial now she is completely naked with no player input , and also ask if she can give a BJ that goes from 0 to 100 real fast on that type of path / playthrough for no real reason and makes zero sense and makes me go WTF. If it was a NTR playthrough it would 100% be expected and no big deal.
But the game made you think that type of content is option, If there was no optional path to avoid NTR earlier in the game it wouldn't be a big deal but there is that's where the issue comes from. I personally play both paths as I like both but when the non NTR path starts to feel like it's forced it makes me wonder what is the point in playing such a path.
While I think those voicing concerns over certain dialogues in game may be technically correct, I feel like they're missing the forest for the trees.
I loathe NTR and cheating setups, yet love sharing games and romantic relationships. I'd like to think I'm distinctly aware and sensitive of those kinds of themes, and the overall tonality in this game just isn't that.
Sometimes it feels like bizarro-land on these forums where you see so much dialogue scrutinized in a game like this, then head over to somewhere like the ORS thread, and the slightest critique of a pervasive NTR tonality is met with harsh defensiveness. I'm using ORS because it's an easy example of a game where the overall feel is VERY ntr-ish, and anyone with a reasonable amount of emotional intelligence can see that.
Whereas in the East Bloc, although many of the situations again might be "technically" cheating or ntrish, the overall tone simply doesn't match that. There's none of the lazy promise-best-left-unkept-style dialogue of "Oh, I couldn't POSSIBLY tell my boyfriend about this!" Kath is always well intentioned, and never shows signs of maliciousness or deceit. She doesn't throw Luke under the bus in favor of any antagonists.
So I'm suggesting people try and take a step back, and realize while they may be correct in the minutiae, the sum of the parts has a very different feel than other games with ntr/no-nntr routes.
I loathe NTR and cheating setups, yet love sharing games and romantic relationships. I'd like to think I'm distinctly aware and sensitive of those kinds of themes, and the overall tonality in this game just isn't that.
Sometimes it feels like bizarro-land on these forums where you see so much dialogue scrutinized in a game like this, then head over to somewhere like the ORS thread, and the slightest critique of a pervasive NTR tonality is met with harsh defensiveness. I'm using ORS because it's an easy example of a game where the overall feel is VERY ntr-ish, and anyone with a reasonable amount of emotional intelligence can see that.
Whereas in the East Bloc, although many of the situations again might be "technically" cheating or ntrish, the overall tone simply doesn't match that. There's none of the lazy promise-best-left-unkept-style dialogue of "Oh, I couldn't POSSIBLY tell my boyfriend about this!" Kath is always well intentioned, and never shows signs of maliciousness or deceit. She doesn't throw Luke under the bus in favor of any antagonists.
So I'm suggesting people try and take a step back, and realize while they may be correct in the minutiae, the sum of the parts has a very different feel than other games with ntr/no-nntr routes.
NTR tag is not a red flag for me, it just tells me that NTR can be present in the game, whether it is avoidable or not is a different question.
No, I am not looking for harem, harem is another one of the genres besides NTR that I CAN occasionally enjoy, but also am not a fan of. Actually a game having a harem tag is a more of a red flag for me usually, as I get bored of harem games very easily, there are too many of them.
I don't care that not just MC gets to do stuff. I couldn't give less fucks for example that Claire is fucked by Craig, I support that, it was a good scene, I just want MC's girlfriend to be loyal, all the other women in the game can get fucked by anyone, I don't mind.
Yeah I agree the relationship is honestly well well thought out in this game. Even tho I am one that did voice some concerns about parts of the non NTR path feeling off / making no sense given the context of certain choices. I still do despite the really good relationship, communication and chemistry this couple has. I even did say i might drop the non ntr path but the more I think about it I don't know if I would even if more issues arise. I kind of already did change my mind on that stance before your post. It's just the recent talk about it just made me feel disappointed in the moment, when talking about that issue. So I did probably say somethings that are a little too harsh like dropping the non NTR path and only playing the NTR one even if I didn't mean it.
I don't think the option is there for a non-NTR path without the harem tag being present. I 100% agree with you with the way presents itself but again, this is people playing the NTR game "to be sure" they can opt out.
Indeed! If you could actually opt out, you should've been able to do so from the beginning, as you suggest, without having to constantly be reminded there's NTR, repeteadly asking the player if you'd like to see such content should be red flag #2. You already had several chances to state your preference so why keep asking? I think the dev was not going for an NTR or non-NTR approach. Since early episodes, Kathryn kisses Nate, Claire gets humilliated by Santini and you can't help it so the writing was on the wall.
You do you, I guess.
Agreed.
That's a very specific desire to only exclude one character. MC and kathryn are constantly toying with the idea of exploring this path. I think it's just easying you into it because there's really no need to ask more than once if you prefer NTR or not.
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The amount of whining in this thread is ridiculous. It seems a lot of people want the game to be specifically catered to them. This is one of the reasons games get abandoned