VN Ren'Py The East Block [v0.8.2] [Bobbyboy Productions]

[TonyMurray]

I am wondering how the facial expression animations were created. I am thinking AI, but I don't want to assume.

Practically half the latest episode was AI, so I'd say it's pretty safe to assume at this point.

 

[Joshy92]

Practically half the latest episode was AI, so I'd say it's pretty safe to assume at this point.

Another thing I was disappointed about. It's going to be awhile, but chapter nine is really going to decide for me how I feel about the game.

I know Bobby is cool and all but still. I just don't want what I thought was a masterpiece of avn storytelling and quality to go bad like mouldly bread. I love the game too much to stomach that.

 

[slightchance]

I know Bobby is cool and all but still. I just don't want what I thought was a masterpiece of avn storytelling and quality to go bad like mouldly bread. I love the game too much to stomach that.

Masterpiece of avn storytelling? Your Bobbyboy had Kathryn monologuing to explain away all the plot holes of the previous update instead of fixing them, only to pull new ones out of the hat. You must realize by now that you're only love with the aesthetics of the game. Minus the Ai-slop, of course.

Stay away from this project if you can't shut your brain off for a minute.

 

[Dessolos]

Masterpiece of avn storytelling? Your Bobbyboy had Kathryn monologuing to explain away all the plot holes of the previous update instead of fixing them, only to pull new ones out of the hat. You must realize by now that you're only love with the aesthetics of the game. Minus the Ai-slop, of course.

Stay away from this project if you can't shut your brain off for a minute.

eh id still consider this a masterpiece when it comes to a sharing game but everyone is different. However not for the story rare to find any sharing or NTR game that doesn't have some major issues with the story or it's there as an after thought. Tho I didn't hate the AI in this one cause ive seen games that used the AI in ways I found worst still don't love the AI but it's tolerable for me.

 

[Justaphase]

I think expecting people in the porn space not to be money focused is the issue. If they weren't why are they remotely near smut? It's a space for Sasha Greys and Elsa Jeans, not Agatha Christies.

Very few people enter porn out of a deep seated artistic desire. They enter it to make money. For a writer or developer usually because their talent sits them in a space where they would earn pennies or less than pennies in the mainstream. Where as in AVNs their talent level may provide an income they can actually live off or even get them rich if they're good. It's why so many are willing to bend backwards for Patreon or a Steam release. That's not even a criticism from me, every fucker has bills to pay and starving artist is noble for everyone but the actual artist.

We need to stop pretending porn devs are some auteurs grinding for the love of their creation. They're not writing stuff like a girl sucking a homeless man off while her BF claps like a seal, a wife been cratered by bbc, a college woman been gangbanged, a woman sucking off a rottweiler or a mom sucking her son off for the love of art or a creative vision. They're doing it to get paid. If AVN's wern't a money focused space you wouldn't see so many abandoned, milkers, drip fed updates, content changes etc. If their original vision pays of they'll stick to it, if it becomes more profitable to tweak or pivot they will. Players are far more invested in these stories and characters than most of the devs.

And if he were open and honest about what to expect in this update then there wouldn't have been as much of a reaction. If he had said that this is mostly going to be an NTR focused update, where the couple face some problems. The issue is that he said nothing so his fans/supporters who are used to getting one thing, got something else entirely.

With your logic should all developers start making the same shit, whatever makes the most money? Or do they let people know their plans, what to expect and what won't ever happen. Then see who wants to come along for the journey.

 

[TonyMurray]

And if he were open and honest about what to expect in this update then there wouldn't have been as much of a reaction. If he had said that this is mostly going to be an NTR focused update, where the couple face some problems. The issue is that he said nothing so his fans/supporters who are used to getting one thing, got something else entirely.

With your logic should all developers start making the same shit, whatever makes the most money? Or do they let people know their plans, what to expect and what won't ever happen. Then see who wants to come along for the journey.

I don't even mind that it was a fully NTR/no NTS episode (although there was at least one really obvious NTS opportunity that should have been explored and wasn't). What I minded (other than the AI) was the shoehorning of every path into a motel room with a Kathryn predator, potentially after an argument even if you're playing a loyal game. If there was a path where Kathryn went home with Luke, angry or not, then my only real complaint about the release would be the heavy overuse of AI that was often also subpar.

 

[Joshy92]

And if he were open and honest about what to expect in this update then there wouldn't have been as much of a reaction. If he had said that this is mostly going to be an NTR focused update, where the couple face some problems. The issue is that he said nothing so his fans/supporters who are used to getting one thing, got something else entirely.

With your logic should all developers start making the same shit, whatever makes the most money? Or do they let people know their plans, what to expect and what won't ever happen. Then see who wants to come along for the journey.

And then we get called retarded for being upset as the cherry on top

But I'm sure if an NTR game had a purely NTS update without a heads-up, NTR fans would be totally cool with it, right?

 

[Justaphase]

And then we get called retarded for being upset as the cherry on top

But I'm sure if an NTR game had a purely NTS update without a heads-up, NTR fans would be totally cool with it, right?

Like I said yesterday after reading Bobby's latest post on Patreon. I don't know how he's going to now even turn away from the game having completely separate branches. Which would obviously be alot more work. Now that he has stepped over into NTR and Kat being in control, the NTR fans are not going to settle for Luke being back in control in any way. Since the start of this it's been "When is she going to cheat?!" "Why does she always have to ask for permission?!"
Are we going to get two kinds of Kathryn's? One loyal girlfriend and another who sneaks around and does stuff behind Luke's back? I can't see it working any other way.

 

[Joshy92]

Like I said yesterday after reading Bobby's latest post on Patreon. I don't know how he's going to now even turn away from the game having completely separate branches. Which would obviously be alot more work. Now that he has stepped over into NTR and Kat being in control, the NTR fans are not going to settle for Luke being back in control in any way. Since the start of this it's been "When is she going to cheat!" "Why does she always have to ask for permission?!"
Are we going to get two kinds of Kathryn's? One loyal girlfriend and another who sneaks around and does stuff behind Luke's back? I can't see it working any other way.

I don't know man, I really don't. All I know is, I really hope I can trust Bobby to not turn it into another generic FMC cheating game.

I've talked with him a lot these last few days, and he assured me there is more sharing to come but then what? Who knows. I had to unsub for a bit because I just can't right now, and the funny thing is I was thinking last week before it came out of subbing for the whole year using money I'll get at Christmastime next month.

 

[Dessolos]

I don't know man, I really don't. All I know is, I really hope I can trust Bobby to not turn it into another generic FMC cheating game.

my biggest fear right here , im mostly past it barley thinking about this game now and can enjoy the sex scenes in the update for whatever they are without thinking of everything I disliked. But it's always in the back of my mind how it feels like he avoided NTS on purpose in this update. If that becomes a trend for future updates this game would essentially transition into a FMC game to me.

 

[gregers]

Maybe worth keeping in mind that when the dev began floating the idea of a prequel game, that also involved some rewrites to Kathryn's character, sounding like she is now a Reformed Slut™ who used to get very freaky indeed, but decided to change her life around when she started dating Luke. By that logic, the (optional) scene during the flashback to their first date was not so much a one-off as the Last Hurrah of her old self.

 

[Joshy92]

Maybe worth keeping in mind that when the dev began floating the idea of a prequel game, that also involved some rewrites to Kathryn's character, sounding like she is now a Reformed Slut™ who used to get very freaky indeed, but decided to change her life around when she started dating Luke. By that logic, the (optional) scene during the flashback to their first date was not so much a one-off as the Last Hurrah of her old self.

I kind of wish the next game wouldn't have Kathryn, tbh. My autistic brain has decided that I need to play any game she is in, even if I don't want to. We know she will be in it, but in what capacity yet is anyone's guess.

 

[gregers]

I kind of wish the next game wouldn't have Kathryn, tbh. My autistic brain has decided that I need to play any game she is in, even if I don't want to. We know she will be in it, but in what capacity yet is anyone's guess.

Yeah, I think it's a bad decision for both this story and the next one: The events there impacts the characterization of her in this game, and the existence of this story limits the potential scope of events in the prequel.

But against that you have a dev who has build a brand of sorts and wants to continue using that, which makes economic sense.

Apparently she'll be doing "some pretty crazy stuff", but beyond that is anyone's guess:

Yeah I need to provide a bit more context there. I'll add more dialog and thoughts when they are in the bar earlier. They had been courting each other for a year or so but didn't really get together on a proper date until that night. The prequel I'm planning shows this, plus how Kathryn did some pretty crazy stuff up until this point but after that first date, she decided to be a good girl.