VN Ren'Py The East Block [v0.8.3] [Bobbyboy Productions]

[NewGuy2022]

And what has this got to do with what was actually being discussed here?

I get it, it's hard to jump into a conversation you weren't apart of.

Well, pardon my intrusion.

 

[Listander]

IF you play that path. All may end up in the hotel room, but what the FMC does there is up to you or did I miss something?

Yes you choose 3 times not to fuck with Pat
But the error ist in the Loyal Path/Sharing you are forced to go to the Motel. That makes no sense.

This has been discussed here several times and will not be changed from the Dev

 

[TomUK]

hahahahahaha Yes, everyone chooses for fmc to be unfaithful and then complains that fmc was unfaithful.

I usually play multiple routes so I can play the lewd route and the goody route, but even if you play the goody route in this game there are some questionable choices made for you.

 

[xert13]

hahahahahaha Yes, everyone chooses for fmc to be unfaithful and then complains that fmc was unfaithful.

Yeah, I’m struggling to see the issue here. I do not play all the paths I guess although I saw a lot of cuck content (“sharing” but if the MC is present watching his wife suck off another it’s cuck in the modern sense.) Given the drug is clearly in the air or suffused in their apartment building I didn’t see it as a stretch with Pat. What she does with him is up to the player. Some say it is out of character, but at least on my play through there was heavy foreshadowing. You saw the situation with Pat coming. The Dev clearly stated he wanted a pivotal moment, a conflict to define the rest of the story. I get that and its a tool often used in book and film - a defining moment. It seems to me those who self-insert felt betrayed even if they didn’t choose the NTR option. The mere knowledge of that choice is what they are responding to (most, not all) - otherwise, why would you care?

 

[Lagunavii]

I usually play multiple routes so I can play the lewd route and the goody route, but even if you play the goody route in this game there are some questionable choices made for you.

Loads of questionable stuff, in an effort to please everyone and keep choices and therefore options open, the pathing for this game is a mess, there's a few plot holes and dodgy character choices.

Putting the fact she's ended up in that motel aside, there would be no way she would masturbate with Pat there on a loyal route.

 

[Listander]

Loads of questionable stuff, in an effort to please everyone and keep choices and therefore options open, the pathing for this game is a mess, there's a few plot holes and dodgy character choices.

Putting the fact she's ended up in that motel aside, there would be no way she would masturbate with Pat there on a loyal route.

That's the point, the loyal Route is now broken!

 

[TomUK]

Loads of questionable stuff, in an effort to please everyone and keep choices and therefore options open, the pathing for this game is a mess, there's a few plot holes and dodgy character choices.

Putting the fact she's ended up in that motel aside, there would be no way she would masturbate with Pat there on a loyal route.

That one is your choice though, you can choose to just go to sleep instead of masturbating.

 

[xert13]

Yes you choose 3 times not to fuck with Pat
But the error ist in the Loyal Path/Sharing you are forced to go to the Motel. That makes no sense.

This has been discussed here several times and will not be changed from the Dev

The Dev explained why it made sense. Really do not see it as a stretch. We also are not privy to how the story will unfold. There were really just two paths - Loyal with minimal sharing and sharing (cuck). I believe I was on the sharing path because I wanted to see the most content. There was no “Netorare” path in a pure sense. The dev forced everyone into the hotel room to create a conflict. Don’t see the problem with that it is a common device in story telling. What you did in the hotel room is up to the player. I think some are simply upset there was an option for her to veer into Netorare instead of asking permission first. At least that’s my take.

 

[Listander]

Yeah, I’m struggling to see the issue here. I do not play all the paths I guess although I saw a lot of cuck content (“sharing” but if the MC is present watching his wife suck off another it’s cuck in the modern sense.) Given the drug is clearly in the air or suffused in their apartment building I didn’t see it as a stretch with Pat. What she does with him is up to the player. Some say it is out of character, but at least on my play through there was heavy foreshadowing. You saw the situation with Pat coming. The Dev clearly stated he wanted a pivotal moment, a conflict to define the rest of the story. I get that and its a tool often used in book and film - a defining moment. It seems to me those who self-insert felt betrayed even if they didn’t choose the NTR option. The mere knowledge of that choice is what they are responding to (most, not all) - otherwise, why would you care?

Santini gives Luke und Kathryn two water bottles in his car before they end up in the "naughty" warehouse. Even there Kathryn can choose.
This Scene is after the jail in Chapter 3

Will all be excused with the Horny Drug? We are still awaiting their drug tests

 

[Lagunavii]

That one is your choice though, you can choose to just go to sleep instead of masturbating.

And it's still questionable on the loyal route. The other routes I can understand

That's the point, the loyal Route is now broken!

Yup, I am in complete agreement. Though there's an argument to be made that it was broken along time ago. Take Dominic for example... On a loyal path after he gets nothing in the cinema toilet he shouldn't get obsessed and therefore shouldn't appear again.

 

[TomUK]

The Dev explained why it made sense. Really do not see it as a stretch. We also are not privy to how the story will unfold. There were really just two paths - Loyal with minimal sharing and sharing (cuck). I believe I was on the sharing path because I wanted to see the most content. There was no “Netorare” path in a pure sense. The dev forced everyone into the hotel room to create a conflict. Don’t see the problem with that it is a common device in story telling. What you did in the hotel room is up to the player. I think some are simply upset there was an option for her to veer into Netorare instead of asking permission first. At least that’s my take.

Yep, although this is not the first game to try and get the MCs father, who he hates, to fuck the MCs girlfriend, and personally, I won't go down that route if I can help it.

 

[xert13]

Santini gives Luke und Kathryn two water bottles in his car before they end up in the "naughty" warehouse. Even there Kathryn can choose.
This Scene is after the jail in Chapter 3

Will all be excused with the Horny Drug? We are still awaiting their drug tests

Good point. I have mentioned that some are forgetting about the drug, but forgot about the water bottles.

 

[Turret]

hahahahahaha Yes, everyone chooses for fmc to be unfaithful and then complains that fmc was unfaithful.

Those who can read, have an advantage! Look at the many posts made in the last few days. Even if we chose that Kathryn does not cheat with Pat, it is contrieved, stupid and completely out of character for those on the Loyal/few sharing and Loyal/full sharing paths that Kati DOES NOT LEAVE WITH LUKE DESPITE HAVING A SOLID RELATIONSHIP!
It is a worse breach of trust that she out of the blue chose a slimy bastard like Pat over Luke, esp. if both love each other, are ok with sharing and have a solid relationship. Kathryn staying back with Pat is completely unbelievable on any loyal route.

The Dev explained why it made sense. Really do not see it as a stretch. We also are not privy to how the story will unfold. There were really just two paths - Loyal with minimal sharing and sharing (cuck). I believe I was on the sharing path because I wanted to see the most content. There was no “Netorare” path in a pure sense. The dev forced everyone into the hotel room to create a conflict. Don’t see the problem with that it is a common device in story telling. What you did in the hotel room is up to the player. I think some are simply upset there was an option for her to veer into Netorare instead of asking permission first. At least that’s my take.

Bobby simply fucked up because on the loyal and sharing routes without any relationship trouble it is completely unbelievable that Kati stays with a guy Luke despises! That is like hating strawberry ice cream and then going and buying a portion of strawberry ice cream when visiting the ice cafe later.

 

[xert13]

And it's still questionable on the loyal route. The other routes I can understand




Yup, I am in complete agreement. Though there's an argument to be made that it was broken along time ago. Take Dominic for example... On a loyal path after he gets nothing in the cinema toilet he shouldn't get obsessed and therefore shouldn't appear again.

Why? He is there to build tension. On the loyal path view him as a stalker.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Santini gives Luke und Kathryn two water bottles in his car before they end up in the "naughty" warehouse. Even there Kathryn can choose.
This Scene is after the jail in Chapter 3

Will all be excused with the Horny Drug? We are still awaiting their drug tests

It's getting to the point where every time a game offers a choice about accepting food or drink I feel the need to make a hard save. Then I refuse the offer, especially if the character doesn't join me in eating/drinking or if the items offered are separate. My games are making me paranoid.

 

[TomUK]

Yup, I am in complete agreement. Though there's an argument to be made that it was broken along time ago. Take Dominic for example... On a loyal path after he gets nothing in the cinema toilet he shouldn't get obsessed and therefore shouldn't appear again.

I wouldn't say it's broken as such, on my playthrough on the goody route there were still some questionable decisions made for you or until the gf phones the MC to get his approval to do something. Even on that Dominic example, it still takes her a bit to run out of the toilet, if she did it straight away I can see your point, but she texts Luke first, all the time Dominic's cock is basically in her face and he is a sex predator after all.

 

[xert13]

Those who can read, have an advantage! Look at the many posts made in the last few days. Even if we chose that Kathryn does not cheat with Pat, it is contrieved, stupid and completely out of character for those on the Loyal/few sharing and Loyal/full sharing paths that Kati DOES NOT LEAVE WITH LUKE DESPITE HAVING A SOLID RELATIONSHIP!
It is a worse breach of trust that she out of the blue chose a slimy bastard like Pat over Luke, esp. if both love each other, are ok with sharing and have a solid relationship. Kathryn staying back with Pat is completely unbelievable on any loyal route.

Bobby simply fucked up because on the loyal and sharing routes without any relationship trouble it is completely unbelievable that Kati stays with a guy Luke despises! That is like hating strawberry ice cream and then going and buying a portion of strawberry ice cream when visiting the ice cafe later.

Disagree. She was trying to make peace between them, otherwise why would she agree to the dinner in the first place? I suppose you wanted a choice at that juncture where she could have said no. I’m not suggesting the writing is flawless, but I think the Dev is attempting to create a story. As such you need conflict. Some seem to be forgetting the drug as well.

 

[Lagunavii]

I wouldn't say it's broken as such, on my playthrough on the goody route there were still some questionable decisions made for you or until the gf phones the MC to get his approval to do something. Even on that Dominic example, it still takes her a bit to run out of the toilet, if she did it straight away I can see your point, but she texts Luke first, all the time Dominic's cock is basically in her face and he is a sex predator after all.

I'm not to concerned with the fact she phones Luke to get advice rather than run straight away. For me she doesn't do anything with so his obsession shouldn't really be there...

I do get it, he's a nice antagonist to add a bit of drama and tension, but the reasons for his obsessions are more on the other paths rather than a loyal one.

 

[TonyMurray]

The Dev explained why it made sense. Really do not see it as a stretch. We also are not privy to how the story will unfold. There were really just two paths - Loyal with minimal sharing and sharing (cuck). I believe I was on the sharing path because I wanted to see the most content. There was no “Netorare” path in a pure sense. The dev forced everyone into the hotel room to create a conflict. Don’t see the problem with that it is a common device in story telling. What you did in the hotel room is up to the player. I think some are simply upset there was an option for her to veer into Netorare instead of asking permission first. At least that’s my take.

A lot of people are landing in the same place you state in your (second to) last sentence there despite plenty of the people who are unhappy explaining why they are unhappy and none of them (that I saw) saying it's because there was no permission given before fucking Pat.

If Kathryn and Pat fucked, that's player choice (and with two options before then to shut down what was a pretty obvious path towards it). The issue with the storytelling is the pretty ridiculous series of events that led to Kathryn and Pat being alone in a motel room in the first instance. If you're playing a loyal game, the argument and storming out seems really forced, there's talk from Kathryn about maybe coming back from Spain on separate planes, and it's just out of keeping with the game you might have been playing up to that point. Fair enough if you've been playing the game with both MCs getting their fill of other characters, but not every player and every save will have that history.

And then of course there's the very weak plot contrivance of "That's a lot of rain, maybe we should get a motel room instead of continuing in this car that is clearly up to the task of driving in sub-optimal conditions."

A few methods have already been posted by various people, but another pretty easy save for this path would be for Kathryn's call to actually get through to Luke, and for her to explain that they got caught in the storm and have had to stay in a motel, she's sorry they argued, and she loves him and will see him in the morning.

So yeah, it's not even about Kathryn fucking Pat (which, once again, is player choice), but that they should never have been in the motel room together in the first place, unless you've been playing a less than faithful save up to that point. And of course, the other complaint some have had is that it's suddenly all NTR and no NTS, which is again not an argument for asking for permission first, but an argument about the overall content of the episode, especially when there were sharing opportunities that were not taken (by the dev), and would always have been taken in previous episodes.

 

[Turret]

Good point. I have mentioned that some are forgetting about the drug, but forgot about the water bottles.

Oh please, Dr. Sophia Lundgren and her Super-Viagra are not available in this game. The drugs in TEB are not that good to overcome a deepseated hate or disgust. Take Luke, the drugs broughthis sharing/swinging fantasies to the forefront, but did nothing to temper his hate of Pat. And Kathryn does not like Pat much better.