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nitkonikic

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I have become invested in the story by reading the comments. I have no plans of playing the game due to the reactions of said comments, but I am very interested in the debates as well as the evolution of the story.
Nah man, try it.

You know how much you love Kaija? Azel is 10x worse. MC inner thoughts just make things even worse.

Then you can join us in ranting here.

Story has incredible potential, that's why there's so much discussion despite low rating.
 

Xmoe22

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I have become invested in the story by reading the comments. I have no plans of playing the game due to the reactions of said comments, but I am very interested in the debates as well as the evolution of the story.
It is a good game if you're interested, regardless if you want to play it or not, the discussion we have here is way better even of the game discord itself
People here are invested and the debate is interesting so to speak
 
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Xmoe22

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I believe people here are harsh mostly because of the ridiculous college theme that don't fit with the game style and they don't understand why the MC change of personality before and after meeting his mother, the MC (also us) now realize that he is influenced by his mother power (some of us simply don't appreciate the plot and turn blind eye)
 
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HentaiKami

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I believe people here are harsh mostly because of the ridiculous college theme that don't fit with the game style and they don't understand why the MC change of personality before and after meeting his mother, the MC (also us) now realize that he is influenced by his mother power (some of us simply don't appreciate the plot and turn blind eye)
While the college is pretty ridiculous, it does serve the purpose of MC meeting other characters. Though it would have been better if there had been at least start of the whole therapy part of the story before it. Considering MC is clearly not suited to function in a crowd, unless drinking, at his current state of mind.
 

pablo.1297

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A. Their power has nothing to do with what I was talking about. I was referring to the realism of how they are handling a first for them, mental trauma. If anyone was an expert at it it wouldn't be such a delicate matter to tackle to begin with. Having powers doesn't immediately make you above everything else. You can still have problems completely irrelevant to I can shoot shadow knives out of my hands, get off your high horse.

B. They were worried about the MC. Azel mentions Emma having night terrors and having to go to therapy I already clarified this. The family is trying to reconnect with the MC in the best way that THEY believe they can. In that sense they abandoned everything they knew and went to Earth, tried to save the MC but God put a guardian and removed the known gateway. There was nothing they COULD do, that all being said; I already clarified but I guess I'll repeat myself, IF they didn't know that the MC was being tortured (which is entirely possible, but would be very hard to believe imo), then for all they knew he was just being held prisoner. In the flashback to when God closed the gateway he even mentions that the MC will be fine (obvious lie) but to most of them his word is absolute. I don't think Emma or Raphael bought it, but Azel and Raniel all STILL work for God, trying to play both sides. I already mentioned that I wouldn't forgive those 2 unless Azel was brought to tears and TRULY didn't realize she was sending the MC to be tortured.

C. You are high, yet again, she did say all of those things, but you failed to remember that she tried to bring him out of Hell right after the fact, or that she had night terrors previously, and if that's not enough for you, my next point.

D. You're right, she is all powerful, to an extent. This is where you fail miserably to mention that:
1. The powers are relevant to what they do, last I checked the power to control all living entities doesn't also include the power to hear things across dimensions dumbass.
2. She sent demons to Hell to gain any information, which is why upon further inspection I'm prone to believe the fact that they didn't return is because the King was keeping the torture a secret, as well as God.
3. She is not as powerful as God stop huffing that copium. The MC MENTIONS that if her powers really do work on everything that they COULD be used on God, not that they actually can.
4. Even if they did work on God we have no way of knowing the extent of her powers, their limits. For all we know she can only suggest to God and not so much as full blown control him. What if it takes everything she has and while she's issuing one command God has a failsafe with the Elders to attack her, she's already preoccupied. This leads to war, a war with her children's lives on the line. That being said anyone God threw at her would be useless because she just tells them to fuck off, which would also have to lead to a war to take her down. We also don't know how much God loves her, maybe he was just scared of the MC's potential moreso than his love for Emma.
5. God closed the gateway, power over reality space time and all that. If you can't PHYSICALLY get over there how in the fuck are you supposed to send emails?

You can blame them but I don't think it should be as heavily as I first saw it. They aren't monsters but they are pretty dysfunctional with eachother.
The mc discovered a way to travel between dimensions using dark magic in less than a month if I remember correctly, it is true that they mention that angels are forbidden to use this magic but it is not made clear that they can't use it, so either the mc is gifted and did what the mother and sisters could not having more connections and knowing the world better than him or they are just useless. The "we tried" excuse makes you wonder really how many things did they try? I mean Nyx or whatever her name is (can't remember) had another way to travel, so options are not lacking.
The justification they give seems "fine" to me to fix ch 2 which was a mess, now if they really want the mc bad enough to defy god, the fact that dark magic is banned should give a shit.
 

RonaldGrand6969

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I believe people here are harsh mostly because of the ridiculous college theme that don't fit with the game style and they don't understand why the MC change of personality before and after meeting his mother, the MC (also us) now realize that he is influenced by his mother power (some of us simply don't appreciate the plot and turn blind eye)
I actually don't mind the college theme, I just wish it was less forced right away and more AFTER we had rekindled with our family.

It's like budget Hogwarts only instead of magical sticks you're a scary Archangel and their are demons, vampirs, bullies that'll get clapped, and unaware humans. And that's not to mention the potential sports in the future!

I mean the MC has to develop himself outside of a life of just full torture EVENTUALLY right? College is unironically a good start, but again AFTER he has delt with his trauma (and family) a bit more.
 

RonaldGrand6969

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Maybe after what happened this update the family will finally realize how much they fucked up in the past and that acting all sweet and essentially like nothing that bad happened is not the play going forward. That goes for Emma and Raphael, Azel is straight up irredeemable.

For this story to make any kind of narrative sense, there has to be a complete change in Azel's character or a change in how MC treats her, one or the other, because right now, she's acting like she did no wrong and all bitchy about it almost making fun of MC and MC's acting like everything's cool and that she didn't do and isn't actually doing anything wrong. The way it's handled now firstly doesn't make any sense and secondly is dragging the whole game down.
Yeah imo I COULD possibly see a future liking her ONLY IF I see her groveling in tears because she TRULY (somehow) didn't know what happened to us in Hell. Like maybe she didn't know the actual gravity of sending us there without so much as a goodbye.

I like to think that the reason she said nothing is because it was too painful (hence why we never saw her face in Hell) as the camera angle was indicating she was crimping or something (just my redeem take). I really do hope the fight'll shed some light on it. I just have to believe for now that the family is oblivious to what actually happened in Hell as to the way they are handling our recovery, save for not being experts.
 

ktunga

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i know many like theory crafting but its only the 3 update why we dont let the dev [ut out a little more about his idea ......i dont see any harm in the way he is doing so far ,ofc i have complaints but wh doesnt ,yeah the college isnt the best one,bcs well he is an angel but he is in distress and noneone knows ,he doesnt open himself to his emotions and the only ones who are well aware of them are those inside his head ,some of them bad some of them good .i see ghost being the evil part and luna being the good one ,and the little guy well just a teen with high hormones
 

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While the college is pretty ridiculous, it does serve the purpose of MC meeting other characters. Though it would have been better if there had been at least start of the whole therapy part of the story before it. Considering MC is clearly not suited to function in a crowd, unless drinking, at his current state of mind.
Now that you said it "unless drinking", it would have been better to send him to a bar like Papa Midnite's in Constantine movie/comic. I mean a bar full of angels and demons sure as hell makes more sense than a fucking school plot arc. This way the story wouldn't have devolved into teenage wanker territory.
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Is it rly worth wasting renders and time on a character just to see her cry and beg ... i like whats going on right now, a somewhat valid reason and they make up, rather than getting an update with no progression and dragging it out just so some ppl have their satisfaction...
Don't know why ppl mock and not just enjoy the vn-s that actually try to tell a "story". Hope the dev don't read this thread and change the story.
 

Xmoe22

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Also it is ridiculous to work for money in this kind of situation, you are one of the most powerful entity ever and you do 9 - 5 Job? What i understand is they can be invisible to human eyes if they wish to, go rub a bank if you needed or use your power to influence the people to get whatever you need
 
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HentaiKami

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Also it is ridiculous to work for money in this kind of situation, you are one of the most powerful entity ever and you do 9 - 5 Job? What i understand is they can be invisible to human eyes if they wish to, go rub a bank if you needed or use your power to influence the people to get whatever you need
I'd say it's mostly because they want to blend in to the society, rather than just use their powers constantly. There's plethora of stories where supernatural entities would rather blend in with human society than abuse their powers, even if those powers would allow them the life of luxury and ease. Something about learning to appreciate things more in life and the social contact that is voluntary rather than because of usage of powers.
 

RonaldGrand6969

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Also it is ridiculous to work for money in this kind of situation, you are one of the most powerful entity ever and you do 9 - 5 Job? What i understand is they can be invisible to human eyes if they wish to, go rub a bank if you needed or use your power to influence the people to get whatever you need
You are complaining about stuff that isn't the issue, I don't think I have to spell it out but I'm going to anyways. In almost every instance of being disgustingly powerful or just base level old;. you do something normal to FEEL normal. Saying you don't understand why someone would want to work a normal job is like me asking why you would play this VN rather than just reading a book.

From my personal experience (neither being powerful or old), I would be very happy just living a simple life at 9-5 and enjoy the rest of my time doing my hobbies. I don't have to reach for the stars and fall on my ass, I don't have to act as my family expects me, and I don't have to do what I don't want to do.

Not everyone in the VN is working a 9-5 the literal only example you have is Raphael, and she's a throughobred medic since the dawn of time essentially. It would make sense for her to want to use her powers the normal way to help people, but it would also make sense for that overbearing nature for her to want to go away from it, just depends.
 

RonaldGrand6969

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Is it rly worth wasting renders and time on a character just to see her cry and beg ... i like whats going on right now, a somewhat valid reason and they make up, rather than getting an update with no progression and dragging it out just so some ppl have their satisfaction...
Don't know why ppl mock and not just enjoy the vn-s that actually try to tell a "story". Hope the dev don't read this thread and change the story.
No it's not a waste of renders. The main cast (family) is hanging on by a thread for me giving a shit about them. The fact that I and almost this entire thread has to make up excuses for them says a lot. I understand that the game isn't finished at all yet, but that doesn't excuse the way the MC seems to just brush off the whole:

"I delivered you to Hell sure but anyone else would've done it so, no hard feeling? Cool! I'm going to now crack jokes here and there that pile up against your self confidence and then play it off like I actually care."

is what really grinds my ass. That's why I said some tears is the only real way I can see her recovering from her unlikeable personality/actions if she TRULY didn't know or realize what she was doing when she sent us to Hell (torture). It shows emotional growth, and for the love of God some ACTUAL acknowledgement for what the MC went through as negative and not a hot tourist destination vacation.

But if the dev decides to take it a dumb route and after we ALMOST TRY TO MURDER AZEL as;

"Okay he's calmed down now, I wonder what happened to make him this way? I'll have to get Camelia on this tomorrow, for now he'll just take a few days off of school." and then proceed to bring us back to college a week later, I'll have an aneurysm.

Everyone likes to huff the copium that the MC needs space, but he's had space from everyone who cared about him for centuries and look where that got him. What he REALLY needs is to hash out the deets of what all happened with his family if he's going to be around them a while. We got more information and bonding in one conversation with Raphael about the truth than we did talking the last few days with all the family members. Albeit we got more questions, but if they hash it out truthfully in detail I think we can salvage something. Instead of always having a nagging what if at the back of our and the MC's mind. I'm not saying solve everything in one meeting, that's not realistic. But if we put them on the right path it could go a long way for the writing, you can still keep issues for drama, content, etc. But at least we'll have some form of foundation other than, "We knew each other in the past, now go to college."
 
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I agree.

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I was going to say something similar but damn you did a such a good job that I can't do it now. I liked this game in the beginning and was trying to give the developer one more update to fix things but now I am out of here. At this point I can't find a single redeeming factor to follow this story.
 

nitkonikic

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I was going to say something similar but damn you did a such a good job that I can't do it now. I liked this game in the beginning and was trying to give the developer one more update to fix things but now I am out of here. At this point I can't find a single redeeming factor to follow this story.
Next chapter will be make it or break it for me.

MC is fighting Azel and one of two things will happen:
1. Family stops being bunch of idiots and start treating what happened to MC with seriousness it deserves. Apologies left and right, realization they've been idiots and actually trying to mend relationship in logical way.
2. MC feels like shit he hurt Azel, mopes even more that his family doesn't deserve how he's treating them, goes to college and therapies to learn to live among humans.

I'd love to have 3., MC going on rampage and tells family to fuck off, ain't going to happen so at the very least hopefully something resembling 1 happens.

If I see even a single shred of "reee, me hurt Azel, me bad" from MC I'm dropping this one instantly. There's only so much frustration I can get myself go through playing a VN.

Story took a nosedive faster than you can say "Martha" (WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!?!?!), but one more chance.
 

RonaldGrand6969

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Next chapter will be make it or break it for me.

MC is fighting Azel and one of two things will happen:
1. Family stops being bunch of idiots and start treating what happened to MC with seriousness it deserves. Apologies left and right, realization they've been idiots and actually trying to mend relationship in logical way.
2. MC feels like shit he hurt Azel, mopes even more that his family doesn't deserve how he's treating them, goes to college and therapies to learn to live among humans.

I'd love to have 3., MC going on rampage and tells family to fuck off, ain't going to happen so at the very least hopefully something resembling 1 happens.

If I see even a single shred of "reee, me hurt Azel, me bad" from MC I'm dropping this one instantly. There's only so much frustration I can get myself go through playing a VN.

Story took a nosedive faster than you can say "Martha" (WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!?!?!), but one more chance.
Thank God I thought I was the only one. This is PRIME time to redeem the family (or at least start to) with the whole ALMOST KILLING YOUR SISTER as taking this as a serious matter. Have them sit down and realize that there is ACTUALLY something wrong then MAYBEEE after a while send him to college. But we have to establish the groundwork for a functional and more importantly believable relationship first.

I even believe Azel can be redeemed believe it or not. If only she takes responsibility for what she did as fucked up and sheds some god damn tears. Emma is a bit of a paradox, I think she's under the whole scent thing and more importantly, in denial of failing her child. Raphael is cool I guess, just needs to, like the rest; stop pressing the, "everything is fine" college obliviousness.

It's funny because I quite like the personality of the family and considering they are the main cast, I want to see them thrive. Sure they are about as basic as any VN family but that's all I need, the focus is in the plot anyway. It's the way they HANDLE the MC's trauma in a plot hole filled way that gets me:

1. Not being perfect in how you handle a trauma victim is fine, but blatantly ignoring the issue by sending him to college? He isn't human, no need to get his life on track.

2. Cracking jokes that are obviously a sensitive topic.

3. Talking about how non-reactive he is right in front of him?

4. Not explaining what the family did after being exiled and expecting him to figure it out on his own, despite being so forthcoming on everything else?

5. Useless therapist? Stop huffing that copium that she is good and was just doing her job as an introduction, she essentially told him he was psychologically distressed and then didn't bother prescribing him any medication. Or telling him he had cancer and telling him to come back next Tuesday for some solutions that she could've just told him in the same session.


I quite literally can't see a scenario of sense where outright trying to murder your sister in a trance ISN'T an indicator that there is clearly something wrong with your mental state, but alas; we shall see.
 
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