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Yep not being a monster as much as mindlos does not meas he is a good person, in real life the MC would be consider a monster because that is what he is. Taking away someone's free will is evil by definition, it does not matter if the woman liked it after becoming his slaves, it does not remove the fact that he did it and that he changed their personality to fit with HIS needs.

And as long as he is not trying to reverse the effects of his brainwashing, he will still be evil. And even if he tried to do it, it would be at best extinguishing the fire he started in the first place. The problem he would solve would have been put by himself in the first place. He might be less evil than mindlos but that's not saying much,

Now I am not complaining about that, I am totally fine with mind control game (I love these stories) but because it's a game. In real life, doing this would be completely morally reprehensible and there is no justification for that. There is no grey morality behind mind control if the goal post is having humans beings around you for sex and services even if they enjoyed being controlled.

The MC is a monster, it just happens that there is a worst monster in the story, but it does not make him less of a monster.
 

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I wonder if the serum makes the MC an monster. I mean I tried to read how his morals and behaivor is before he drinks the serum but its hard to tell. It would be intressting to see if the serum scrambles his brain into this dark behaivor or if he has always been like this. If it is the serum then that would explain why the only known two people that have used the serum is so morally ambiguous. Or maybe its Victorias influence thats makes him grey and not pitch black? Would he become more dark if the pain started again? What would happen if he lost the power... would he regret what he have done? Would the girls be free in their mind again or would they have adapted to their new role?
 

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I wonder if the serum makes the MC an monster. I mean I tried to read how his morals and behaivor is before he drinks the serum but its hard to tell. It would be intressting to see if the serum scrambles his brain into this dark behaivor or if he has always been like this. If it is the serum then that would explain why the only known two people that have used the serum is so morally ambiguous. Or maybe its Victorias influence thats makes him grey and not pitch black? Would he become more dark if the pain started again? What would happen if he lost the power... would he regret what he have done? Would the girls be free in their mind again or would they have adapted to their new role?
That is an interesting thought. I haven't played in a few months, so I don't know if I can contribute that much. However, we can look at Mindilos for some possible information. While prior to him drinking his own serum, he was a manipulative bastard, and he continued to be so after the fact. It didn't seem to alter him that much. Although Midilos took a different serum, the side effect could still be present.

As for Victoria, I'm not certain how much of an impact she personally had. It seems to be the mc still had the same selfish desires for her, but it was directed towards love instead of lust. Plus the mc did take a second serum to counteract the immunity. Perhaps the new feelings amplified by the second serum is what caused the mcs change?

So perhaps instead of changing of personalities, it instead boosts ones desires/urges? That would explain the mcs changes, from a generic perv to one who "cares" about the girls.
 
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I wonder if the serum makes the MC an monster. I mean I tried to read how his morals and behaivor is before he drinks the serum but its hard to tell. It would be intressting to see if the serum scrambles his brain into this dark behaivor or if he has always been like this. If it is the serum then that would explain why the only known two people that have used the serum is so morally ambiguous. Or maybe its Victorias influence thats makes him grey and not pitch black? Would he become more dark if the pain started again? What would happen if he lost the power... would he regret what he have done? Would the girls be free in their mind again or would they have adapted to their new role?
That is an interesting thought. I haven't played in a few months, so I don't know if I can contribute that much. However, we can look at Mindilos for some possible information. While prior to him drinking his own serum, he was a manipulative bastard, and he continued to be so after the fact. It didn't seem to alter him that much. Although Midilos took a different serum, the side effect could still be present.

As for Victoria, I'm not certain how much of an impact she personally had. It seems to be the mc still had the same selfish desires for her, but it was directed towards love instead of lust. Plus the mc did take a second serum to counteract the immunity. Perhaps the new feelings amplified by the second serum is what caused the mcs change?

So perhaps instead of changing of personalities, it instead boosts ones desires/urges? That would explain the mcs changes, from a generic perv to one who "cares" about the girls.
"Power corrupts" that's has proven true since ancient times.
I consider myself an avarage guy (pervert)... what would I do if I got the power to manipulate someones mind and change their perception of me... add to that, that I know several smokeing hot women that while flirting have no romantically or erotic feelings to me...
Certainly I wouldn't share my new Powers and act secretly (so any Super Hero scenario is off)... if my Powers are artificial I'd be the target of any secret organisation possible... but would that prevent me from useing my powers all together? Hell No!
So takeing my own approach on such a scenario I'd say the MC just followed his own Agenda realising that his power is as much a curse as a blessing to him... than he meets Mindlos and becomes entangled in his "game".
He suffers and is forced to see the effects of his own actions (fulfilling his own selfish desires) and realises it's to late to change that... but he also learns that these actions provided him with usefull and resourcefull "allies" (by force).
He can't undo his prior manipulation and he needs their help to stay alive and free of Mindlos... yet he can no longer ignore what effect his actions have had on the girls... he needs more power and resources to get ahead of his enemy that already is more powerful, has more resources and slaves... add to that the missing scruple to further use his powers and his god complex...
The Player is no Saint and is painfully aware of that, he realises his limits and is forced to take actions against an over bearing powerful enemy (abduction scenario). His guilt eats away at him hencefor his ammnents when changeing his programming of the girls. He can't stop doing so or his previous victims will be the ones to suffer, so he searches for something good he can do for his future victims... Mindlos has no care for his victims and uses his powers to conceal his himself from prying interest while building his powers to take over the world... or what ever, we don't know enough to talk about his endgame scenario.
 

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I disagree that power in itself inherently corrupts, it merely reveals what is already there. A quote which springs to mind: "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power".

I believe most people are inherently selfish and given a power, with no negative repercussions to use it, would not hesitate to abuse the power by enslaving others much like we see in this game. Sure it would start out slow and gradually escalate, but abuse would happen 9 times out of 10.

It would be amazing to meet an individual whom could have the power and abstain from it because it would always be a little whisper in the back of their mind knowing what they could do with such ease to achieve their goals instead of hard work.
 

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"Power corrupts" that's has proven true since ancient times.
I consider myself an avarage guy (pervert)... what would I do if I got the power to manipulate someones mind and change their perception of me... add to that, that I know several smokeing hot women that while flirting have no romantically or erotic feelings to me...
Certainly I wouldn't share my new Powers and act secretly (so any Super Hero scenario is off)... if my Powers are artificial I'd be the target of any secret organisation possible... but would that prevent me from useing my powers all together? Hell No!
So takeing my own approach on such a scenario I'd say the MC just followed his own Agenda realising that his power is as much a curse as a blessing to him... than he meets Mindlos and becomes entangled in his "game".
He suffers and is forced to see the effects of his own actions (fulfilling his own selfish desires) and realises it's to late to change that... but he also learns that these actions provided him with usefull and resourcefull "allies" (by force).
He can't undo his prior manipulation and he needs their help to stay alive and free of Mindlos... yet he can no longer ignore what effect his actions have had on the girls... he needs more power and resources to get ahead of his enemy that already is more powerful, has more resources and slaves... add to that the missing scruple to further use his powers and his god complex...
The Player is no Saint and is painfully aware of that, he realises his limits and is forced to take actions against an over bearing powerful enemy (abduction scenario). His guilt eats away at him hencefor his ammnents when changeing his programming of the girls. He can't stop doing so or his previous victims will be the ones to suffer, so he searches for something good he can do for his future victims... Mindlos has no care for his victims and uses his powers to conceal his himself from prying interest while building his powers to take over the world... or what ever, we don't know enough to talk about his endgame scenario.
While I do agree with your assessment, I don't quite believe the dev is a good enough writer to implement the psychological aspect of your everyday perv getting mind control. Or, even if he is good enough I don't have the confidence that he would do so. I expect a half baked story going onward.

And honestly, I just want some plot device that alleviates my displeasure of the MCs actions going forward. As I said in one of my posts on the last page, I'm not a fan of the MCs change of heart. I'm all for the MC doing what hes doing vs how Mindilos does it, honestly id likely do the same thing in his shoes. But, its the way he gets there that bugs me.

In a real world scenario you brought up, would you just hold you, and your harem up, while thinking "Ill use this one stranger to do everything." Of course you wouldn't that would be stupid. Rather your guilty conscience is effecting you or not. Your will to survive, and save those you care for would be strong enough to want to do something. Rather, I hope you would.

For example, I personally would seek out those who interact with a lot of people. Just manipulate them enough to get information from them. Shit like a university professor, bartender, someone who works for a large company, etc. They wouldn't need to be apart of my harem, doesn't need to be a female. Just an average person doing average things. Create a network of people who may notice something and point me in the right direction.

Yet, the MC wouldn't do something like that now. Previously he may have, but his guilty conscience out weighs his desire to survive, and keep those close to him safe. Prior to the change of heart, the MC would have panicked, but would do anything to remain safe. That's exactly what he did when he broke into that chicks house. He was willing to do what he thought was necessary, even if it was wrong.

By using real life psychological issues to justify why the MC does something or doesn't is a complex story that I'm not confident the dev is capable of, or even willing to do. That's why its easier to speculate random theories than to draw parallels to reality. The idea of random unknown side effects is an easier pill to swallow for a porn game as well. Otherwise the story may fall flat, or transform into some DeLuca Family depth of story. Which personally Id support.

I disagree that power in itself inherently corrupts, it merely reveals what is already there.
This is something along the lines of what I said. The serum boosted his urges. Which has boosted the MCs urges. How he started as a normal pervert going balls deep as much as he can, than seemingly at the drop of a hat (drinking the second serum) wanted to become a good guy.
 
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This is something along the lines of what I said. The serum boosted his urges. Which has boosted the MCs urges. How he started as a normal pervert going balls deep as much as he can, than seemingly at the drop of a hat (drinking the second serum) wanted to become a good guy.
This seems far to easy... "it's not my fault I mind controlled people in doing something they normally never would"
I do agree with bobmonk as the player is the one that actively chose to fall prey to corruption duo to his new powers
 
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This seems far to easy... "it's not my fault I mind controlled people in doing something they normally never would"
I do agree with bobmonk as the player is the one that actively chose to fall prey to corruption duo to his new powers
I don't believe it was as simple as "take serum become bad". I agree with bobmonk as well. I was simply arguing the concept Ole laid out about the serum creating a monster. We all have urges and desires, I argued that the serum doesn't turn you into a monster, rather it enhances the desires you already have.

This gets rid of the whole "serum bad" while keeping some of the realism related to people abusing power. MC already has the desire, it simply helped get rid of some of the thoughts keeping MC from acting on them. The second serum pushed the new desires front and center, making the mc change a second time.

Like, say im on a diet, there's a nice donut in front of me. I want the donut but my commitment to the diet keeps me from eating it. The serum weakens the commitment, allowing me to eat the donut. It didn't make me eat it, it stripped away the part that was keeping me from doing so. I begin to think I that maybe I should have had a milkshake instead, even though I'm satisfied with the donut. I than drink another serum, and instead of being satisfied with the donut, I begin to desire the milkshake more.
 

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By using real life psychological issues to justify why the MC does something or doesn't is a complex story that I'm not confident the dev is capable of, or even willing to do. That's why its easier to speculate random theories than to draw parallels to reality. The idea of random unknown side effects is an easier pill to swallow for a porn game as well. Otherwise the story may fall flat, or transform into some DeLuca Family depth of story. Which personally Id support.

This is something along the lines of what I said. The serum boosted his urges. Which has boosted the MCs urges. How he started as a normal pervert going balls deep as much as he can, than seemingly at the drop of a hat (drinking the second serum) wanted to become a good guy.
Agreed, it would be an interesting story and subject matter if it was handled by someone who was amazing and deep into philosophy and psychology. Sadly due to the subject matter and things which would unfold, it would always be a super niche audience for that kind of story. Having a villainous protagonist is a plus in my book as well... we already have far to many films and games where the good guy is the focal point and wins.

Good shout on De Luca Family btw, great storytelling and the fact it is a porn game is almost a shame because of it limiting its audience from some great storytelling.

Regarding the serum and your post: Small but important difference of view in our stances is that I think that the serum did not boost his urges at all, rather made him aware of them (which in turn made him choose to act on his urges). If I use your donut example above with my view:
  1. I live in a country that does not have donuts for sale, hence I have never eaten them.
  2. Eventually I move to another country, I have some donuts. I discover I like the flavour.
  3. Now that I am aware that I like donuts, I occasionally may purchase some when shopping so I can eat it on occasion.
I think we can agree that all that happens in the above scenario is that I am made aware of my appetite/urge rather the donut having fundamentally altered me as a person. Eating the donut did not alter my pallet, brain chemistry or change my personality... despite the fact I now undertake actions which I did not do previously (buying donuts).

Obviously we are dealing with a fantastical substance with the serum so you may be right, however looking at human behaviour and history, I think in real life the same events would occur even if the serum did not boost urges. Splitting hairs a little bit as we agree with each other pretty much but hopefully you get what I mean.
 
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Agreed, it would be an interesting story and subject matter if it was handled by someone who was amazing and deep into philosophy and psychology. Sadly due to the subject matter and things which would unfold, it would always be a super niche audience for that kind of story. Having a villainous protagonist is a plus in my book as well... we already have far to many films and games where the good guy is the focal point and wins.

Good shout on De Luca Family btw, great storytelling and the fact it is a porn game is almost a shame because of it limiting its audience from some great storytelling.

Regarding the serum and your post: Small but important difference of view in our stances is that I think that the serum did not boost his urges at all, rather made him aware of them (which in turn made him choose to act on his urges). If I use your donut example above with my view: ......
I agree on the first bit, without a doubt. As for De Luca, I'm happy its a porn game. While its sad it will never get the recognition it deserves, I will say the fact that its a porn game actually opens up many possibilities traditional media allows. Ill drop this subject here though, since that will make staff unhappy if we derail this post too much.

I like your idea more. It makes more sense than the one I proposed, sounds more logical than mine as well. The only issue being: when exactly does the second change happen? Is it when he interacts with the immune girl? Does her presence effect the MC? Or was it after he took the second serum? I haven't played in a long time, so I cant really comment on this. Either way, for now I think Ill go with your version.
 
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I agree on the first bit, without a doubt. As for De Luca, I'm happy its a porn game. While its sad it will never get the recognition it deserves, I will say the fact that its a porn game actually opens up many possibilities traditional media allows. Ill drop this subject here though, since that will make staff unhappy if we derail this post too much.

I like your idea more. It makes more sense than the one I proposed, sounds more logical than mine as well. The only issue being: when exactly does the second change happen? Is it when he interacts with the immune girl? Does her presence effect the MC? Or was it after he took the second serum? I haven't played in a long time, so I cant really comment on this. Either way, for now I think Ill go with your version.
It's at the end of Chapter one, after his family is abducted and he confronts Mindlos for the first time...
So after he took control of the girl (Jessica I think?) that initially was immune to him.
Her calming effect and passively saveing his live along a natural attraction to her made him go easy on her before though.
The big change is however after the first night in the mansion, he comes to his sences and realises he is heading the same direction as Mindlos... and after talking to Jessica whom assured him some he changes the programming of her, her mother and the other girls.
 

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If the patreon is on hold for this month, I dont think we will see the release this month either. Hopefully next month.
 

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If the patreon is on hold for this month, I dont think we will see the release this month either. Hopefully next month.
Mr.ZZ is taking a break and will not charge patrons in the upcoming billing cycle on February 1, 2020. Billing will resume on March 1, 2020. :FacePalm:
 

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I wonder if the serum makes the MC an monster. I mean I tried to read how his morals and behaivor is before he drinks the serum but its hard to tell. It would be intressting to see if the serum scrambles his brain into this dark behaivor or if he has always been like this. If it is the serum then that would explain why the only known two people that have used the serum is so morally ambiguous. Or maybe its Victorias influence thats makes him grey and not pitch black? Would he become more dark if the pain started again? What would happen if he lost the power... would he regret what he have done? Would the girls be free in their mind again or would they have adapted to their new role?

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I think that at first, the game started to being developed, to allow us choose the path we desire. However, I guess this would mean more work, so instead I think that they decided to take a linear storyline.
 
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Mr.ZZ is taking a break and will not charge patrons in the upcoming billing cycle on February 1, 2020. Billing will resume on March 1, 2020. :FacePalm:
For real?!?
Last news was he stoped chargeing via Patreon because he failed to deliver in time once again... and now it's actually cause he needed a break?
... I am getting "Milfy City feelings" again... gues I'll have to search for a new game
 

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For real?!?
Last news was he stoped chargeing via Patreon because he failed to deliver in time once again... and now it's actually cause he needed a break?
I'm pretty sure it's not for real. Based on that user's previous posts (of which there are many in this thread), I think they're just very bad at satire. Their posts tend to be nonsensical and often contradict the fact that they react with a "like" on every post that mentions the game's delay. I'm pretty sure that was just their attempt at "jokingly" imitating the dev, and saying that next month will probably have another delay and the excuse will be laziness
 

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Well, that's what message on his patreon page says, but it's not even a message written by the author himself, rather an automated message by patreon which is shown because he actually stopped billing for 1 month. I saw a similar message couple of months ago on Mike Master's (the dev behind College Life) patreon, when he stopped billing due to being ill. So, I'd not take the "taking a break" part seriously. It's a generic reason a robot's given us.
 
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