Ren'Py Abandoned The Gift Reloaded [v0.08b] [Mrzz]

[Skylaroo]

And how exactly does it make acceptable to just bail out like this?

I'm not going to condemn them like I'm entitled to the project's completion just because they made some money. When you donate money to Patreon, you do so with the understanding of what you get in return. That's the tier reward and that's the only obligation that the creator has to the patron. Anything further such as expecting the project to complete is purely your own personal expectation. If you donated without understanding what you're donating for, well that's on you. I know you aren't even his patron though, so not sure why you're super salty.

While it isn't ideal that they quit before the end, you simply don't know what happened to them. You so easily said "fuck this guy" without even knowing the reason. For example, should you still "fuck this guy" if the reason he quit is his parents got killed? What if he has a child and that child died? Or maybe marriage issue leading to divorce? Or health issue? There are other things in life that is more important than finishing a porn game on patreon.

You just jumped to conclusion and said fuck him even though you are not even his patron. If there's any "fuck you", it's probably more legit to direct that to someone like you who felt like entitled even when you didn't contribute anything.

And the huge amount of devs pulling this shit kills trust in the adult game scene as a whole, and on Patreon as platform for adult games.

Is this just another exaggeration that you made up on your own? How many devs are "huge amount"? How many devs in total? Do you know what their reasons for quitting or just making things up?

 

[Infamy]

Hi everyone,

today I've some bad news for all of you…
I'm going to take a break in development for an undefined time. I'm pausing my Patreon campaign at the end of the month, so no one will get charged for October and the following months.

Since there is always a chance that Patreon screws something up, I suggest to delete your pledge on your own before month's end.



What lead to my decision:

I'm having private issues which I urgently need to take care of.

I simply can't spend the huge amount of time, which would be needed to develop this game, at this time.



Why I don't delete my Patreon:

I have so many plans and ideas for this game, I can't simply let it die.

Maybe, someday after fixing my private problems, I'm going to return with a brand-new update and I’ll continue with the development.



Final words:

All I can say is: Thank you!

Thank you for your incredible support, thank you for your feedback and help, thank you for your interest and for your trust!

What sucks is I hear his issue is that he is getting divorced he walked in on his wife with anther man so.... I feel for him..

 

[Carmen Sandiego]

Damn, say it ain't so! Another one bites the dust... I had hopes for this too.

 

[TCMS]

@LucianHawk & @TCMS

Please forgive the off-topicness, but this is my gift to this sad thread:

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boobies (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧

 

[LucianHawk]

@LucianHawk & @TCMS

Please forgive the off-topicness, but this is my gift to this sad thread:

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Hahaha, you had to ruin it, didn't you? xD

 

[ABH20]

I hate to be that person, but is someone who has the Windows version willing to upload it to Mega? Quite often I seem to have trouble with direct downloads over 1GB, but with MegaDownloader I can download without issue.

 

[chethan]

Mega file download for v.04

 

[LokiTime]

"Hello" "please" "thank you" ?...

Anyway, yes another game who stop... i agree with someone who said, "wait until the dev finish a game before support him" and i will now do it. Pity for the Rookies Dev who needs badly supports, but it's annoying to see your support finish like that.

But, hey, i wish him the best, and of course personal issues can happens. Just wait and see now i guess.

 

[wildride]

While I can understand peoples frustrations over another game going on hiatus. We simply do not know the situation behind them stopping.

Perhaps they became a parent and now find they don't get sleep, and all their time is spent looking after that child. When they do get time they are so tired and brain dead they can only look at cat memes, let alone figure how to do any game dev.
Perhaps they developed health issues which made working on a game difficult.
Perhaps they were involved in an accident and are lying in a coma, while someone else posted that on their behalf.
Perhaps they pushed themselves so much onto the game that their family suffered, so dropped the game to avoid divorce, but secretly hope to start up again.

I personally ended up with the first two when I started writing a Rags game not long after the 0.1 release. That was January. Things have improved on the first but second is still there, but switching game engine from RAGS to RenPy, where I can make the dev console dark as opposed to a bright white of RAGS mitigates the symptoms, means I've now re-started development 3 days ago.

Considering the crap I was dealing with at the tail end of 2016 and early 2017 I can certainly sympathise with any aspiring developer, however I do think they need to be realistic with their expectations and honest about it.

At least in this case the Developer has let you know they are stopping, and is going to cancel all Patron support, some milk it without a word and without progress for ages.

Anyway back to coding.

 

[JSF2]

Simple. He doesn't get money November and afterward. If he returns he has to create 0.5 himself for free to regain trust of sponsors, and then it's a slow financial recovery.

Devs don't do this lightly, so he almost certainly really has major issues to address. It may be burn out, it may be family, it may be health, it may be his actual job, and may even have been drafted. All kinds of stuff may happen that excuses Devs for not delivering the next version anytime soon.

Personally, I wish he had reached sandbox stage before the hiatus.

 

[verzauberung]

anyone got the 0.4 CG? i think the link on page 1 is only 0.3's CG.

 

[jande21]

I think the tag should go back to being abandoned, unless he gives some kind of estimate to when he will return.

 

[El bacca Del Chew]

What you're describing is essentially Kickstarter. Not Patreon. Patreon is based on donation. There is no binding rule that it needs completion. You're donating money to the content creator. The content creator does not work for you. You are not their employer.


A lot of the content creator are amateurs, that's why many had the "oh if we reach this amount then I quit my job" tier. Why expect professionalism from amateurs? Again, it's not their job.

You got some valid points here, but look at the view of a game dev on patreon:

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"I can't believe that there are some that do... it totally blows my mind and I've been on the receiving end of the pay and hope for update game... that's why I focused on being several releases ahead of the game before releasing it. Money is too damn hard to earn and the people who pay and are patrons deserve the respect for spending that money... also, realistically (and kind of surprised creators haven't caught on to this fact yet) the Patrons are the creator's EMPLOYERS!!'

I do not take any side but funny how people see things from Dev to patrons.

 

[Lucifer_Morningstar]

DoD Easter Egg ?

Yep. Was a good reference.

 

[Skylaroo]

You got some valid points here, but look at the view of a game dev on patreon:

You must be registered to see the links

"I can't believe that there are some that do... it totally blows my mind and I've been on the receiving end of the pay and hope for update game... that's why I focused on being several releases ahead of the game before releasing it. Money is too damn hard to earn and the people who pay and are patrons deserve the respect for spending that money... also, realistically (and kind of surprised creators haven't caught on to this fact yet) the Patrons are the creator's EMPLOYERS!!'

I do not take any side but funny how people see things from Dev to patrons.

No, that's one person's opinion who happened to be a content creator. Their opinion of "patrons are the creator's employers" is a mere personal opinion. The concept of patreon has always been a way for content creator to get financial support via donation from their supporters/fans in exchange of the patrons receiving something that is exclusively on patreon. For example, things like musicians sharing exclusive news, behind-the-scenes footage, fan-interaction videos, etc that isn't found elsewhere.

For porn games, it's usually extra screenshots and early access to releases. Or in this case, the patrons donate monthly and in return, the content creator released updates monthly too. Because the content creator decided to cancel the project (or put on hold), the creator told the patrons to cancel their pledge too so they didn't have to donate while getting nothing in return. Thus, both sides equally obtain and lost nothing, and that's pretty much the only thing you could do if you cancel a project.

Also, the comment by ASLPro3D that you quoted is pretty dangerous and could easily be flipped around into "Oh, they already have several releases ahead before releasing it. That means they're milking the patrons because they are purposely holding back content that is ready for release." I understand they meant well and they worked hard by making sure they're ahead of the schedule. But it really is a double-edged sword if they aren't careful.

 

[El bacca Del Chew]

But it really is a double-edged sword if they aren't careful.

Indeed it can be.
I do agree with you on most points but here my thoughts:
For artist as musicians or painters, the patronage is great and i share the point of view that it is somekind of donation you made in order to support them. It as has been done for ages, many famous artists over the years were able to live due to some rich patron who gave them the opportunity to express their arts. And i do agree you must not expect anything in exchange in those cases.
Same as for 3d art, if you choose to support an artist it's in order to give him the freedom to work on it and not being worried about finding a daily paying job which will consume his time (which then can be spend on creation).

For Games, i feel a bit differently, yeah you are right somehow it should be the same but Dev asking you your support for creating a specific product, not the liberty of creation. Then they seems, to my eyes, accept a moral contract to deliver and by extention become a bit your employee.

I hope i make myself clear enough, supporting an artist to give him freedom is one thing, supporting a Dev who ask you money for a product is another one. If Picasso or Matisse asked money for a specific painting you would have expect results, if you just want to give them the financial support to express themselves, you don't.

Hope you see my point
Greetings

 

[401Grem]

I think the tag should go back to being abandoned, unless he gives some kind of estimate to when he will return.

I personally think abandoned threads should be locked until notice of game restart, to prevent bumping unnecessarily.

 

[kzk0987]

I'm not going to condemn them like I'm entitled to the project's completion just because they made some money. When you donate money to Patreon, you do so with the understanding of what you get in return. That's the tier reward and that's the only obligation that the creator has to the patron. Anything further such as expecting the project to complete is purely your own personal expectation. If you donated without understanding what you're donating for, well that's on you. I know you aren't even his patron though, so not sure why you're super salty.

While it isn't ideal that they quit before the end, you simply don't know what happened to them. You so easily said "fuck this guy" without even knowing the reason. For example, should you still "fuck this guy" if the reason he quit is his parents got killed? What if he has a child and that child died? Or maybe marriage issue leading to divorce? Or health issue? There are other things in life that is more important than finishing a porn game on patreon.

You just jumped to conclusion and said fuck him even though you are not even his patron. If there's any "fuck you", it's probably more legit to direct that to someone like you who felt like entitled even when you didn't contribute anything.


Is this just another exaggeration that you made up on your own? How many devs are "huge amount"? How many devs in total? Do you know what their reasons for quitting or just making things up?

You're right about me acting like an asshat. I was just angry.

Though honestly, just as I can't know for sure what happened, you and other people just creating narratives of what disaster could have happened in his life also can't. For all we know something serious and terrible could have happened. Or he could just have decided he got enough money and didn't care enough to continue the game. It was wrong for me to jump to conclusions but I don't see the point of creating hypothesis and sob stories to jusfity him either.

As for what obligations a Patreon content creator has, I posted my thoughts on that issue a few posts above. Check that out and tell me what you think about it. Don't think we'll agree, but I'd still like to hear a counter-argument.

And about how I can't complain because I wasn't a Patron, well besides the irony of getting called out on that in a place that basically revolves around piracy, I wanted to be and was going to be by next month's paycheck. Though now I think I'll follow people's suggestions and not support anyone who hasn't finished a game or that has otherwise been dedicated enough you can tell they won't just let the project die by the wayside. Regardless of how justified one's reason to walk out may be, I still don't want to give money to a game dev who won't even finish the game I'm supporting them for. And I really don't like this mentality of people not needing to have responsabilities just because it's Patreon (or other similar donation service)


EDIT - If someone saw the first version of this post, before this edit pharagraph showing up, the first half of the post was a leftover draft from last night. I stopped myself from posting it precisely because I realized I was being an idiot and decided to let my head cool down first. Then when I made the new reply I didn't notice it was still there above the new text. Apologies for not paying attention before posting. If you read the first half (everything above the second quote box), please just ignore it.

 

[Freki]

I am not a supporter as I do not have the money to do so unfortunately but I will say this: you are ALL being children! you don't care about anyone but yourselves in this matter especially. Oh I understand the I'm paying I expect results but you know what you KNEW what you were doing when you said you'd support them at X level.

1) the dev announced it and said he was taking steps to make sure no one else was charged again. He then said he suggested you remove your pledge so you don't get charged again. This means he's actually trying to be a good guy and not wanting extra money when he isn't working on things.

2) it is certainly your right to not pledge till a game is completed, but what happens when the people who's completed games run into something where they can't do anything? I can think of may reasons this could end up happening, he found out he has to go to jail over something for a time, someone mentioned perhaps he's getting a divorce... well after the divorce he's going to have lots of time to make the game, someone mentioned perhaps a new born baby is taking his time, and there could be many more LEGITIMATE reasons for this to happen! IF you liked him, give him the chance to work through it and come back, if he doesn't come back after say 6 months to a year later, then bitch and complain *IF* you were a supporter.

I honestly hope the DEV is ok and things will get back on track. funny thing is he's probably going to be tinkering with the game in the mean time even though he's not getting a cent for it if he truly plans on coming back, just wouldn't be able to meet production schedules like he was before. grow up please! well that might be too much to ask for some.

 

[StarWarrior]

What sucks is I hear his issue is that he is getting divorced he walked in on his wife with anther man so.... I feel for him..

Was is it you? Dont lie to us now, you know this is a safe zone.:happyblush
(But man if its true.. that sucksensive