The Glorious NTR(Cheating) Thread (You bet your ass its NSFW! -_^ )

[Plissken58]

Father-in-law NTR is fantastic. Has anyone got anything to recommend?
Gaming wise we've got Lily of the Valley and Adventurous Couple, and others.

 

[forbidden101v]

Here's some NTR but it lacks the satisfaction of seeing someone break down. Oh welp its hard for me to find NTR I consider good since I'm picky.

Princess Knight Taming

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[desmosome]

I'm kind of curious how prevalent this view is for NTR fans. I've been making a mod as "practice" to hopefully get to the point where I can make my own game and have started trying to add some NTR to the mod in my next version. I'm not really an NTR fan myself though. I mostly see it as a useful plot device to use to develop adversaries in an adult game. So I'm basically writing those scenes as losing/punishment scenes for MC when he fucks up/scores low/gets caught cheating himself/whatever. Basically instead of having a bad ending game over, you get an NTR scene where your adversary has some fun with your girl(s).

I'm not a fan of games where the MC becomes submissive/dominated/humiliated though. Is that an important component for most NTR fans or more of a niche?

Although I sometimes do try to get into character and try to feel the emotions that the male MC is going through, most of the time, I don't self insert. Fetishes are weird man. There isn't a set subtype that all NTR fans would like. Its very broad. All I can say is almost all western NTR games are pretty much just cuckold and doesn't quite have the same punch as japanese VNs. The biggest problem I think is that western games have no act 1. All the best japanese games spend a lot of time at the beginning laying out the character traits, the relationship dynamics, backstory, setting etc. The better you know the girls values, strengths, and personality, the greater the payoff when they fall. Western games are like "this is my mom. She has a nice ass. Fuuuuck.. her boss just groped her."

 

[Steve Carter]

Although I sometimes do try to get into character and try to feel the emotions that the male MC is going through, most of the time, I don't self insert. Fetishes are weird man. There isn't a set subtype that all NTR fans would like. Its very broad. All I can say is almost all western NTR games are pretty much just cuckold and doesn't quite have the same punch as japanese VNs. The biggest problem I think is that western games have no act 1. All the best japanese games spend a lot of time at the beginning laying out the character traits, the relationship dynamics, backstory, setting etc. The better you know the girls values, strengths, and personality, the greater the payoff when they fall. Western games are like "this is my mom. She has a nice ass. Fuuuuck.. her boss just groped her."

I agree 100% with this post. In regards to wanting to watch NTR content but not experience it, it is not as strange as everybody makes it out to be. I like horror movies, but that doesn't mean I'd be OK with some dude in a hockey mask hacking me to death with a machete. If you look at NTR like the horror movies of the porn world it makes more sense.

The lack of buildup in western games is also a huge problem. Japanese games have a lot of buildup and are a slow burn which is almost a necessity for NTR games in my opinion. Again, look at a horror movie as a guide. A good horror movie builds up suspense early on.

Not developing the female character is also a huge problem in not just NTR games, but in most porn games. In an NTR game the developer must at least ask and answer some basic questions about the main female character. The first and most important is "Why is she engaging in NTR?" Is she bored and wants excitement? Can the MC not excite her sexually? Is she doing it FOR the MC because he has expressed that it is his fantasy? Was it unintentional but she was seduced? Some other reason? This question needs to be answered by the writer. A bunch of shit just happening at random (like "...her boss just groped her out of the blue" isn't a good NTR game.

 

[khumak]

Although I sometimes do try to get into character and try to feel the emotions that the male MC is going through, most of the time, I don't self insert. Fetishes are weird man. There isn't a set subtype that all NTR fans would like. Its very broad. All I can say is almost all western NTR games are pretty much just cuckold and doesn't quite have the same punch as japanese VNs. The biggest problem I think is that western games have no act 1. All the best japanese games spend a lot of time at the beginning laying out the character traits, the relationship dynamics, backstory, setting etc. The better you know the girls values, strengths, and personality, the greater the payoff when they fall. Western games are like "this is my mom. She has a nice ass. Fuuuuck.. her boss just groped her."

Yep I think this is probably where the divergences is for most people who like NTR vs people who don't. I think people who like it mostly fall into the "experience as spectator" camp when playing adult games while the people who don't like it fall into the "imagine myself as the MC" camp. I guess there's probably a smaller third category of people who do imagine themself as the MC and actually get off on the idea of someone fucking their girl(s), but I'm betting that's a lot smaller niche.

For me it's different if I'm just watching porn vs playing a game. If I'm watching a TV show or a movie then I don't imagine myself as the protagonist, I'm just a spectator. Maybe if it would be different if the entire show/movie was shot in a POV perspective and you never actually see the MC but porn is about the only place you see that usually. If I'm playing a game and the MC is a male then I just naturally seem to imagine myself as the MC (even if it's the wrong race). If MC is female then I'm back to just being a spectator.

I was worried that I would have problems getting over my NTR aversion when trying to develop my own NTR scenes for my mod, but ironically for me at least it's only an issue when playing, not developing. Rendering, writing the dialog/etc I don't seem to think of myself in MC's place, only when I'm actually playing it. And it's not something I do intentionally, it's just automatic. Interesting that for some people that happens and for others it doesn't.

 

[khumak]

I agree 100% with this post. In regards to wanting to watch NTR content but not experience it, it is not as strange as everybody makes it out to be. I like horror movies, but that doesn't mean I'd be OK with some dude in a hockey mask hacking me to death with a machete. If you look at NTR like the horror movies of the porn world it makes more sense.

The lack of buildup in western games is also a huge problem. Japanese games have a lot of buildup and are a slow burn which is almost a necessity for NTR games in my opinion. Again, look at a horror movie as a guide. A good horror movie builds up suspense early on.

Not developing the female character is also a huge problem in not just NTR games, but in most porn games. In an NTR game the developer must at least ask and answer some basic questions about the main female character. The first and most important is "Why is she engaging in NTR?" Is she bored and wants excitement? Can the MC not excite her sexually? Is she doing it FOR the MC because he has expressed that it is his fantasy? Was it unintentional but she was seduced? Some other reason? This question needs to be answered by the writer. A bunch of shit just happening at random (like "...her boss just groped her out of the blue" isn't a good NTR game.

I agree about the pacing issue. Some games get it right (or at least progress at the pace I personally want), other games either have very little build up and everyone is fucking immediately or it's the russian grind (Son of a Bitch, BB, etc) and you have to play for hours and hours before there's any action. Other games have some build up for the MC but nothing for the NTR part as you mention. So you could potentially spend a significant amount of time building relationship/whatever with your girl(s) as the MC and then after 1 wrong move suddenly she's being gangbanged by every guy she sees.

Personally, I like to feel that whatever scene just happened was justified somehow. If she caught me banging her best friend, then banging the pool boy right in front of me was justified. If I just forgot to take the trash out and suddenly she's banging everything that moves other than me, that's not justified and is out of character enough to be immersion breaking (unless she was just a total slut to begin with). The pacing doesn't necessarily have to be the same for each character either though. Corrupting your mother/sister/naive childhood friend/whatever should be harder than banging the stripper at the bachelor party...

 

[deluges]

I agree about the pacing issue. Some games get it right (or at least progress at the pace I personally want), other games either have very little build up and everyone is fucking immediately or it's the russian grind (Son of a Bitch, BB, etc) and you have to play for hours and hours before there's any action. Other games have some build up for the MC but nothing for the NTR part as you mention. So you could potentially spend a significant amount of time building relationship/whatever with your girl(s) as the MC and then after 1 wrong move suddenly she's being gangbanged by every guy she sees.

Personally, I like to feel that whatever scene just happened was justified somehow. If she caught me banging her best friend, then banging the pool boy right in front of me was justified. If I just forgot to take the trash out and suddenly she's banging everything that moves other than me, that's not justified and is out of character enough to be immersion breaking (unless she was just a total slut to begin with). The pacing doesn't necessarily have to be the same for each character either though. Corrupting your mother/sister/naive childhood friend/whatever should be harder than banging the stripper at the bachelor party...

Honestly all of the stuff that you're talking about could be applied to corruption games in general; it's either too fast or too slow. 97% of games out there do a pretty shit job of establishing a great story. The other 3% establish a great story and then don't give you anything to fap to. I'm being harsh, but it feels true.

When it comes to ntr games, I don't need a whole lot to get into it. I'd prefer husband or fiance vs. boyfriend, I'd prefer there to not be some stupid reason for it (My Girlfriend's Amnesia or just fucking dream sequences that mean the game gets the ntr tag because snowflake got triggered). It would be nice if the game built to something, like, fuck, Adventurous Couple would be such a great ntr game if the wife relented, but got into the idea eventually, without the husband, because she kind of felt like he was an asshole for wanting to share her with other people instead of enjoying her himself. There's some cheating at the end of that game, but he's aware of it, which cheapens it for me.

 

[khumak]

Honestly all of the stuff that you're talking about could be applied to corruption games in general; it's either too fast or too slow. 97% of games out there do a pretty shit job of establishing a great story. The other 3% establish a great story and then don't give you anything to fap to. I'm being harsh, but it feels true.

When it comes to ntr games, I don't need a whole lot to get into it. I'd prefer husband or fiance vs. boyfriend, I'd prefer there to not be some stupid reason for it (My Girlfriend's Amnesia or just fucking dream sequences that mean the game gets the ntr tag because snowflake got triggered). It would be nice if the game built to something, like, fuck, Adventurous Couple would be such a great ntr game if the wife relented, but got into the idea eventually, without the husband, because she kind of felt like he was an asshole for wanting to share her with other people instead of enjoying her himself. There's some cheating at the end of that game, but he's aware of it, which cheapens it for me.

Interesting, I had assumed most NTR fans wanted the MC to actually witness it (at least some of the time). For the scene I'm modding they're all in a hot tub so it happens literally right in front of him. In the case of that scene it's both her and her best friend. I didn't start playing that game for the NTR though (in fact I started the mod because one of the NTR scenes bugged me a little (coincidently the same scene I'm modding right now).

Babysitter, strangely enough has the MC build friend and horny scores with his girl(s) to determine how strong his relationship is, but not the adversaries. Whether NTR happens it's determined (at least at the beginning when it really matters), almost entirely by whether she sees MC's dick or feels his bulge in one scene. MC's relationship develops slowly, but if she doesn't see his dick suddenly she's after someone she barely knows? This happens even if his friend/horny score with her is nearly perfect. Just seems unjustified to me and out of character. Oh well, not my game. I'm just modding it, and I do like the vanilla path in the game. If it was my game I would definitely have put both MC and the adversaries on the same gradual relationship building/corruption system. No abrupt switches.

 

[deluges]

Interesting, I had assumed most NTR fans wanted the MC to actually witness it (at least some of the time). For the scene I'm modding they're all in a hot tub so it happens literally right in front of him. In the case of that scene it's both her and her best friend. I didn't start playing that game for the NTR though (in fact I started the mod because one of the NTR scenes bugged me a little (coincidently the same scene I'm modding right now).

Babysitter, strangely enough has the MC build friend and horny scores with his girl(s) to determine how strong his relationship is, but not the adversaries. Whether NTR happens it's determined (at least at the beginning when it really matters), almost entirely by whether she sees MC's dick or feels his bulge in one scene. MC's relationship develops slowly, but if she doesn't see his dick suddenly she's after someone she barely knows? This happens even if his friend/horny score with her is nearly perfect. Just seems unjustified to me and out of character. Oh well, not my game. I'm just modding it, and I do like the vanilla path in the game. If it was my game I would definitely have put both MC and the adversaries on the same gradual relationship building/corruption system. No abrupt switches.

If we disregard the ntr tag for a minute (because it can mean three different things), I'm more of a fan of the woman cheating on the male protag, regardless of whose perspective we're playing from. What you're talking about I would more commonly refer to as cuckolding, where the man (generally an unwilling participant) is present while the cheating is occurring. I'm not a fan of that, personally.
IIRC I think you're oversimplifying the ntr in Babysitter a bit. When I played it I had to really friendzone her to push her in that direction. I don't think I've played a "normal" game where a character just did a 180 like that without something like neglect, turning down sex or lack of affection being a catalyst.

 

[khumak]

If we disregard the ntr tag for a minute (because it can mean three different things), I'm more of a fan of the woman cheating on the male protag, regardless of whose perspective we're playing from. What you're talking about I would more commonly refer to as cuckolding, where the man (generally an unwilling participant) is present while the cheating is occurring. I'm not a fan of that, personally.
IIRC I think you're oversimplifying the ntr in Babysitter a bit. When I played it I had to really friendzone her to push her in that direction. I don't think I've played a "normal" game where a character just did a 180 like that without something like neglect, turning down sex or lack of affection being a catalyst.

I was actually surprised myself. I don't normally play the NTR path much in most games so I had assumed you would have to play MC as a total dickhead to get the NTR scenes, but you don't. Although intentionally doing things to keep a low friend/horny score will just naturally also result in you making the correct choices for NTR as well.

Depending on whether you consider Jess a target for NTR in that game the only choice you need to guarantee that it happens is to dance with her at the bar and let Robert join you in the hot tub. Nothing else up to then matters. That only guarantees him a scene with 1 of the 2 of them though (usually Jess). To guarantee a scene with Christine there's actually only a couple of additional choices that make any difference. Don't let her see MC's dick in the shower, don't let MC grind his bulge into her ass while giving her a massage, and don't have Christine think about MC while masturbating at Jess's house. Other than those choices you can play for either max possible friend or horny scores and still also have the max possible hidden NTR score for Robert by then. The devs actually even said they probably bungled that part a bit, or at least admitted there was a ton of negative comments about it from vanilla fans.

I think the NTR tracking does get more varied and reasonable later in the game though. My mod only goes up to day 10 so I haven't had a reason to really dig into the NTR code past that (and I only recently added any NTR to my mod at all, so I had even less reason to look at it before then).

In any case though, I don't mean to bash Babysitter. I obviously like the game or I wouldn't have spent hundreds of hours making a mod for it. I just thought the path leading up to that day 10 scene wasn't justified, which prompted me to make my mod (initially just to expand the vanilla scenes). I mostly only got somewhat interested in NTR after deciding to try adding some to my mod and thinking I should try to understand better what people like and don't like about it.

If it's in the game but it seems justified by how I'm playing MC then I have no problem with it (in fact I like to at least have the threat of it's existence there, even if I never see it). It's only if it just kind of hits you out of the blue or if it's unavoidable that it bugs me.

 

[Steve Carter]

One of the best executed NTR plots is Marina's Cuckold Report. It's a kenetic novel and not really a game as there are only two choices but it has some nice NTR mechanics. I like the "wife dates, husband waits" storyline. It tells the story from the husband's perspective at all times (it opens up a gallary in the main menu screen so you can go back and find out what really happened later). Having the MC click through a whole bunch of dialogue about what the MC is thinking while is wife is out spending the night with another man is a good idea, it really gets the player the feeling of the clock is ticking slowly while he waits for his wife. The player feels that frustration having to click through all the dialogue options to get to the next scene. There was also a good use of text conversations, where the wife gives periodic updates on how the date is going, and then you get a text message like "we just pulled up to the hotel now" and then nothing after that, no response to the texts. Then you have to click through a bunch of dialogue about the MC obsessing about what he thinks is happening to get to the next screen. If you don't look at the gallery then you're reliant on the wife telling you what happened when she gets home and the story establishes that your wife may not be the most reliable narrator which is also a nice touch.

I'm a fan of the corruption storylines for NTR. Things like starting with a bored couple perhaps watching some porn to spice up their sex life or something like that and then it progresses to perhaps fooling around in public or the wife flashing somebody "unintentionally", then things go too far. Perhaps the wife gets addicted to doing this and goes out flashing without her husband because she needs her fix and it gets more and more depraved from there. Scenarios like MC and his wife are having dinner with another couple (perhaps new neighbors) and the MC notes that the male new neighbor is flirting heavily with his wife, and she is perhaps subtly reciprocating. Then the MC gets called away to an emergency at work or something and has to leave them alone. Then the developer could throw in a bunch of simple but tedious minigames at work you have to get through to try to get back to the dinner party as fast as possible (the longer you wait the more likely it is that something will happen).

Some scenarios I've seen in stories I've read are ones where the husband and wife have a game where they arrive at a bar separately, and the husband takes a seat where he can watch his wife, who shows up dressed very sexy and lets guys hit on her. I read another story where the wife is on a business trip with some work colleagues out of town, they all go out drinking after the semenar and go back to one of the male coworkers hotel room with some booze and drink and play truth or dare. The wife and the wife's friend who knows the husband are texting the husband on what's going on (the wife is pretty drunk) and the game gets racier and racier (including when one of the guys in the group gets the wife's cell phone and uses it to take a picture of his topless wife to him and spends some time texting him to taunt him). Eventually the wife's friend leaves and the wife refuses to go with her, opting to stay longer and the texts get fewer and fewer until they stop completely.

I guess a "less is more" attitude is what I take for my NTR preferences. I usually don't like it when the MC is fully on board with it and actively pursues the NTR but more of it happening as a matter of circumstance. I don't mind that circumstance being that the MC is weak willed though. He can be bullied by another man looking to get with his wife or be bullied by the wife herself. "Swing and a Miss" is a game on this site that has a grasp of this, although like Marina's Cuckolding Report I have to cite a lack of choices as a major drawback of the game. Also, use game mechanics to your advantage when designing a NTR game. Having conversations by text (with perhaps that symbol where somebody is writing, to increase the anticipation of what will be written and don't display replies automatically) can raise anticipation, as well as having things that delay progression to the next scene (especially if it is a scene you desperately want to get to).

 

[Rastafoo]

One of the best executed NTR plots is Marina's Cuckold Report. It's a kenetic novel and not really a game as there are only two choices but it has some nice NTR mechanics. I like the "wife dates, husband waits" storyline. It tells the story from the husband's perspective at all times (it opens up a gallary in the main menu screen so you can go back and find out what really happened later). Having the MC click through a whole bunch of dialogue about what the MC is thinking while is wife is out spending the night with another man is a good idea, it really gets the player the feeling of the clock is ticking slowly while he waits for his wife. The player feels that frustration having to click through all the dialogue options to get to the next scene. There was also a good use of text conversations, where the wife gives periodic updates on how the date is going, and then you get a text message like "we just pulled up to the hotel now" and then nothing after that, no response to the texts. Then you have to click through a bunch of dialogue about the MC obsessing about what he thinks is happening to get to the next screen. If you don't look at the gallery then you're reliant on the wife telling you what happened when she gets home and the story establishes that your wife may not be the most reliable narrator which is also a nice touch.

I'm a fan of the corruption storylines for NTR. Things like starting with a bored couple perhaps watching some porn to spice up their sex life or something like that and then it progresses to perhaps fooling around in public or the wife flashing somebody "unintentionally", then things go too far. Perhaps the wife gets addicted to doing this and goes out flashing without her husband because she needs her fix and it gets more and more depraved from there. Scenarios like MC and his wife are having dinner with another couple (perhaps new neighbors) and the MC notes that the male new neighbor is flirting heavily with his wife, and she is perhaps subtly reciprocating. Then the MC gets called away to an emergency at work or something and has to leave them alone. Then the developer could throw in a bunch of simple but tedious minigames at work you have to get through to try to get back to the dinner party as fast as possible (the longer you wait the more likely it is that something will happen).

Some scenarios I've seen in stories I've read are ones where the husband and wife have a game where they arrive at a bar separately, and the husband takes a seat where he can watch his wife, who shows up dressed very sexy and lets guys hit on her. I read another story where the wife is on a business trip with some work colleagues out of town, they all go out drinking after the semenar and go back to one of the male coworkers hotel room with some booze and drink and play truth or dare. The wife and the wife's friend who knows the husband are texting the husband on what's going on (the wife is pretty drunk) and the game gets racier and racier (including when one of the guys in the group gets the wife's cell phone and uses it to take a picture of his topless wife to him and spends some time texting him to taunt him). Eventually the wife's friend leaves and the wife refuses to go with her, opting to stay longer and the texts get fewer and fewer until they stop completely.

I guess a "less is more" attitude is what I take for my NTR preferences. I usually don't like it when the MC is fully on board with it and actively pursues the NTR but more of it happening as a matter of circumstance. I don't mind that circumstance being that the MC is weak willed though. He can be bullied by another man looking to get with his wife or be bullied by the wife herself. "Swing and a Miss" is a game on this site that has a grasp of this, although like Marina's Cuckolding Report I have to cite a lack of choices as a major drawback of the game. Also, use game mechanics to your advantage when designing a NTR game. Having conversations by text (with perhaps that symbol where somebody is writing, to increase the anticipation of what will be written and don't display replies automatically) can raise anticipation, as well as having things that delay progression to the next scene (especially if it is a scene you desperately want to get to).

Marina Cuck Report has a sequel but it hasn't been translated yet. You should def keep your eye out for it tho

 

[Steve Carter]

Marina Cuck Report has a sequel but it hasn't been translated yet. You should def keep your eye out for it tho

I defiantly will. The first game seemed incomplete to me and ended on what could be called a cliffhanger so it does lend itself to a sequel. I have kind of a love/hate relationship with that game. It does some things really well and other things really bad. Choices are handled poorly, as you only get two the entire game and it is basically pick the right choice to continue and the wrong one for a game over.

The best part of the game is that they really looked at the motivation for the female character. Like I said, she is a bit of an unreliable narrator but there is a reason for her unreliability which goes to her own personal motivation. When she tells her husband about the sex she oversells how good the sex was with the other man the first few times they have sex (her recounting of events is different in the actual cg of the events you can view from the main menu). The first few times there is first time awkwardness that goes away after a couple of sessions as they become more comfortable, yet she plays up how great the sex was when she tells the story to the MC. She is telling the story while her and the MC are having sex, so the reason behind it is part that it increases his excitement as she knows that is what he wants to hear, and that makes him fuck her harder and by extension makes her feel more desirable. When they are not having sex and she brings up the topic of her nights with the other man, the reason for the untruthfulness seems to be more biting. It seems to go beyond what is sexy and focuses more on the inadequacies of the MC. It is basically her resentment of the situation, essentially asking "why do you want to share me? Why don't you want to keep me all to yourself?" and that she is feeling inadequate and projects her feelings of inadequacy onto the MC, probably hoping that it will prompt him to abandon his fantasies and "man up" and just want to keep her all to himself. When this doesn't happen she just kind of has an "ok, fine then" moment and goes all in on the cuckolding near the end of the game and doubles down on the cruelty. It's justified, as in her mind it is "if you don't care about my feelings then I won't care about yours". Also, while she is overstating the physical quality of the sex in her recounting of the experiences, she is understating the growing relationship between herself and her new partner. They evolve from him being a little nervous and her helping him feel more comfortable, to him gaining confidence and becoming more dominant in the relationship and her appreciating that in contrast it to the less assertive nature of her husband. In a better game I would have liked to see that same attention to the motivations of the female character but have a choice system to allow the MC to respond to it and change the dynamic.

 

[Segnbora]

Adventurous Couple would be such a great ntr game if the wife relented, but got into the idea eventually, without the husband, because she kind of felt like he was an asshole for wanting to share her with other people instead of enjoying her himself. There's some cheating at the end of that game, but he's aware of it, which cheapens it for me.

Well, depending on how you play the game there's cheating he doesn't know about. Martin, Marcus and the beach orgy that follows, two of the three variants on the spa-or-beach scenes with Drake or Drake and Troy, the doctor, and I think I'm forgetting one.

But I also think the thing you're wishing for is actually fundamental to the game and has been all along. Anne's disrespect for/lack of interest in the MC grows with each update. I've posted roughly a zillion words about this in the game's thread and won't repeat them all here. But compare the early days, in which Anne and the MC have a lot of sex and exchange a lot of romantic words, to the latter days in which Anne and the MC almost never have sex (with each other) and she hardly ever tells him she loves him. She stopped recounting or even being honest about her escapades a while ago (and he's never been honest about his, even after she dresses him down about it). She's expressed her resentment at being pushed into sex for his entertainment more than once. She complained about Kenny's spycams. If the MC cheats on her she confronts him on up to four different occasions (five if you get the scene where she complains to Troy). The first time she has sex with Dre she says that she would've preferred that the MC not join in (if he did), and she makes it fairly clear that his imminent weekend return is going to exclude the MC. How long has it been since the MC's had any influence over Anne's extracurricular sex life? By chapter 10 she fucks who she wants and doesn't much care what the MC thinks.

Note that the original name for the game was "The Cuckold" and that's still the name of the save directory. From the very start it's been a Pandora's Box/"be careful what you wish for" game that got tangled up in offering other ways to play it, but by the latest pre-revamp chapters it's very obviously driving a serious wedge between the MC and Anne. I have no idea what the outcome of the revamp will entail, but I can't imagine the core ethos of the game is going to change.

I don't think actual NTR was ever particularly considered as part of the game, and in fact there's almost none until the very end of the last chapter and the Ryan incident. Previous to that, the only times that there's even a hint of it are on the beach when Anne and Mike visit the bathroom, at the swinger club (depending on how you play it), and any time the MC goes home for lunch and looks around for a mysteriously missing Anne, wondering where she is and whether or not she's having sex. Which, on two occasions (depending on your choices), she is.

 

[Steve Carter]

It would be nice if the game built to something, like, fuck, Adventurous Couple would be such a great ntr game if the wife relented, but got into the idea eventually, without the husband, because she kind of felt like he was an asshole for wanting to share her with other people instead of enjoying her himself. There's some cheating at the end of that game, but he's aware of it, which cheapens it for me.

I think most of the issues with Adventurous Couple is how underwritten the wife is. It is impossible to describe her personality because she exists simply to be in service to whatever the plot needs her to do. She goes from a game over screen for suggesting swinging to being on board with it after two dialogue choices. How can I feel I'm corrupting somebody (or at least watching someone being corrupted) if they are just a blank slate.

 

[Segnbora]

I think that's a bit unfair. She doesn't leap right into fucking other people; it's a slower approach than that. I agree that Anne is a cipher at the beginning of the game, mostly defined by her willingness to go along with the MC's games. But by chapter 10 I think we know a great deal more about her than we do about the MC.

The entire Dre relationship is under her control. As is Martin if the player allows it. As is Troy. As is Drake. As is Marcus, with whom we learn she had a relationship in the past (and who she can effortlessly deepthroat even though he's much bigger than the already large MC, who — note — she never deepthroats). As is Ryan, both times. As is her "brother." We also learn, via Martin, that she's into having a sugar daddy type relationship and has no problem cuckolding her husband even though his father already stole several of his girlfriends, which is a level of (earned) cruelty we didn't previously see in her. We learn that she's entirely in control of her sexuality (and also the MC's) at the swingers' club. We know that she resents the MC's attempts to control her sex life via innumerable incidents. We learn that she's an exhibitionist (beach, sex toy party, beach again). We learn that she's quite willing to quietly but pointedly humiliate the MC if he deserves it (sofa anal). We learn that she wants control of her own sex life via the Ryan redux. We learn that she's not all that interested in the MC anymore by the fact that she stops telling him that she loves him, stops having sex with him, and straight-up lies to him for the entire last few chapters. That is a very different character than the one who was leaving the door to the changing room open back in chapter 1.

By comparison, what do we know about the MC by chapter 10 that we didn't know in chapter 1? Just that he's a cad, and (if you play it that way) an unrepentant cheater that doesn't actually care all that much about Anne as long as he gets off on her hotwifing. There's not a single bit of complexity that he's developed since the beginning of the game.

In other words, TAC is a game about Anne. Entirely about Anne. That is not, to me, underwritten.

 

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Well, depending on how you play the game there's cheating he doesn't know about. Martin, Marcus and the beach orgy that follows, two of the three variants on the spa-or-beach scenes with Drake or Drake and Troy, the doctor, and I think I'm forgetting one.

But I also think the thing you're wishing for is actually fundamental to the game and has been all along. Anne's disrespect for/lack of interest in the MC grows with each update. I've posted roughly a zillion words about this in the game's thread and won't repeat them all here. But compare the early days, in which Anne and the MC have a lot of sex and exchange a lot of romantic words, to the latter days in which Anne and the MC almost never have sex (with each other) and she hardly ever tells him she loves him. She stopped recounting or even being honest about her escapades a while ago (and he's never been honest about his, even after she dresses him down about it). She's expressed her resentment at being pushed into sex for his entertainment more than once. She complained about Kenny's spycams. If the MC cheats on her she confronts him on up to four different occasions (five if you get the scene where she complains to Troy). The first time she has sex with Dre she says that she would've preferred that the MC not join in (if he did), and she makes it fairly clear that his imminent weekend return is going to exclude the MC. How long has it been since the MC's had any influence over Anne's extracurricular sex life? By chapter 10 she fucks who she wants and doesn't much care what the MC thinks.

Note that the original name for the game was "The Cuckold" and that's still the name of the save directory. From the very start it's been a Pandora's Box/"be careful what you wish for" game that got tangled up in offering other ways to play it, but by the latest pre-revamp chapters it's very obviously driving a serious wedge between the MC and Anne. I have no idea what the outcome of the revamp will entail, but I can't imagine the core ethos of the game is going to change.

I don't think actual NTR was ever particularly considered as part of the game, and in fact there's almost none until the very end of the last chapter and the Ryan incident. Previous to that, the only times that there's even a hint of it are on the beach when Anne and Mike visit the bathroom, at the swinger club (depending on how you play it), and any time the MC goes home for lunch and looks around for a mysteriously missing Anne, wondering where she is and whether or not she's having sex. Which, on two occasions (depending on your choices), she is.

That's interesting! Lots of very good information, there. I went a completely different route and just stayed in the office thinking that his neglect would lead her to cheat, and didn't pursue anything on the side... I didn't even consider that going home would result in her being out with someone else.

Also, I haven't played the revamp version because I was never really clear on what was actually different but from what you said, it sounds like I should give it a try.

I have a newfound appreciation for this game, so thank you! I'll have to take my time with it next time and really pay attention to everything.

 

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Father-in-law NTR is fantastic. Has anyone got anything to recommend?
Gaming wise we've got Lily of the Valley and Adventurous Couple, and others.

Anna Exciting Affection, technically the father of the boyfriend, but it's close!

 

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I went a completely different route and just stayed in the office thinking that his neglect would lead her to cheat, and didn't pursue anything on the side... I didn't even consider that going home would result in her being out with someone else.

Don't think that you missed something you could have controlled; the game's paths are completely messed up. It's really not possible to play it as anything other than a buildup to Anne cheating and fucking everyone she meets.

The "being out" is offscreen and (I think) left mostly to headcanon. But if the MC goes home, he will always check the rooms and see that Anne's not there. At times he'll actively wonder what she's doing. If she's having sex with Martin, that's what she's doing one of those days. The boys ejaculating on her is another thing that happens, though the MC can actually see that. But my personal belief is that the constant room-searching is meant to suggest that Anne is doing stuff that the MC doesn't know about. And FWIW, her constant beach trips do kinda suggest this.

I haven't played the revamp version because I was never really clear on what was actually different

Other than vastly better renders and tightened plotting for chapter 1, nothing yet. Unless you're a patron I'd wait a bit.

That said, I posted because I think most people — until fairly recently including me — had a very misguided idea about what this game was depicting. I thought it was a swinging/open relationship/hotwife game with the opportunity for it to go south. Actually, it's the opposite, it has been since the beginning, and it's not entirely clear that a successful (MC and Anne staying together and happy) outcome is possible or even likely. It's a game that essentially punishes the MC for forcing his wife to fuck other people. At first it's all fun and games, but if you pay attention to the narrative it's increasingly about Anne having sex that's entirely divorced (word intended) from the MC's desires.

 

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That said, I posted because I think most people — until fairly recently including me — had a very misguided idea about what this game was depicting. I thought it was a swinging/open relationship/hotwife game with the opportunity for it to go south. Actually, it's the opposite, it has been since the beginning, and it's not entirely clear that a successful (MC and Anne staying together and happy) outcome is possible or even likely. It's a game that essentially punishes the MC for forcing his wife to fuck other people. At first it's all fun and games, but if you pay attention to the narrative it's increasingly about Anne having sex that's entirely divorced (word intended) from the MC's desires.

That's actually exactly what I wanted to have happen in this game, so I'm stoked. I saw a lot of opportunity in it going that way, so yeah, that's awesome. For my tastes, at least.