Ren'Py The Inn [Ch. 2 v1.01.03] [Lykanz]

[Lykanz]

I strongly agree. Trolling both, the NTR army and the anti-NTR-brigade, made me laugh more than once.

It also helps set the mood right off the gate for what people should expect from the game.

And also to filter some people that wouldn't like the game anyway, cuz if you don't get the meaning of that joke, then you probably wouldn't enjoy most of the game.

 

[Lykanz]

Yep. Was apart of one such argument at one point. The person was legitimately saying that sort of thing. They even said that the person's ex, who they were no longer was in a relationship with was ntring them because they had sex with someone else when they were no longer a couple and had broken up.

What these devs think they're doing giving girls agency and a life outside of being the protagonist's cocksleeves, right?

Preposterous!

 

[Joey's Conscience]

I've had people unironically tell me they dropped my game after they noticed the "Futa on Girl" fetish because, even if it was optional and it would never happen if they didn't select the fetish, now they knew the girl would be willing to do it.

It's like some quantum whore thing where stuff done in different dimensions sours the entire thing for them.

I will never understand this reasoning.

Honestly, it's not hard to understand at all. Just picture a scenario in real life: You're dating this girl you really like, and she tells you she'd fuck a trans person (or anyone she finds interesting for that matter) if given the chance (while still dating you). I don't know you personally, but it's safe to say the vast majority of men would have issue with this. The though counts, even if the action is not actually done.

I think the issue here is much more about "sharing" and "NTR" than "futa". A lot of creators tend to forget a lot of people get invested in these characters (some waaaaay more than they should), and they don't wanna see the version of the characters they have in their head to be destroyed.

If you're hell bent on adding this content, I'd advise not involving any of the main girls, and doing it with a minor side character. Even so, there will be backlash. Involve any of the main girls, and there will be a shitshow, optional content or not. If you are fine dealing with that, its your call

 

[Uthuriel]

Honestly, it's not hard to understand at all. Just picture a scenario in real life: You're dating this girl you really like, and she tells you she'd fuck a trans person (or anyone she finds interesting for that matter) if given the chance (while still dating you). I don't know you personally, but it's safe to say the vast majority of men would have issue with this. The though counts, even if the action is not actually done.

I think the issue here is much more about "sharing" and "NTR" than "futa". A lot of creators tend to forget a lot of people get invested in these characters (some waaaaay more than they should), and they don't wanna see the version of the characters they have in their head to be destroyed.

If you're hell bent on adding this content, I'd advise not involving any of the main girls, and doing it with a minor side character. Even so, there will be backlash. Involve any of the main girls, and there will be a shitshow, optional content or not. If you are fine dealing with that, its your call

 

[Lykanz]

Honestly, it's not hard to understand at all. Just picture a scenario in real life: You're dating this girl you really like, and she tells you she'd fuck a trans person (or anyone she finds interesting for that matter) if given the chance (while still dating you). I don't know you personally, but it's safe to say the vast majority of men would have issue with this. The though counts, even if the action is not actually done.

I think the issue here is much more about "sharing" and "NTR" than "futa". A lot of creators tend to forget a lot of people get invested in these characters (some waaaaay more than they should), and they don't wanna see the version of the characters they have in their head to be destroyed.

If you're hell bent on adding this content, I'd advise not involving any of the main girls, and doing it with a minor side character. Even so, there will be backlash. Involve any of the main girls, and there will be a shitshow, optional content or not. If you are fine dealing with that, its your call

Right...

What I don't understand then is what's hard to understand in "It'll only happen if you toggle this option on, otherwise it won't even be mentioned."

Think of it as "parallel universes". In one universe the option to have sex with the futanari character is activated and in the other it isn't.

You live in the universe where this option is turned off, why would you care what happens in the other universe?

Also, if like you said, people get invested in these characters way more than they should, than that's their problem.
I shouldn't change what I have in mind for my game just to please someone that invested way too much of their affection into fictional characters.
Besides, when you try to please someone, you end up pleasing nobody.

I'm already doing a lot by making everything completely optional.

There are some lines I won't cross though, mostly because they're stuff I don't like myself, like NTR, any kind of dom stuff or y'know, the very fringe stuff.

Meanwhile, I'll keep going with my original vision of the game and, if people don't like it, I'm sure they'll find other games they can invest their affection into.

 

[Uthuriel]

Why would you care what happens in the other universe?

 

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[Lykanz]

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[Son of Durin]

Right...

What I don't understand then is what's hard to understand in "It'll only happen if you toggle this option on, otherwise it won't even be mentioned."

Think of it as "parallel universes". In one universe the option to have sex with the futanari character is activated and in the other it isn't.

You live in the universe where this option is turned off, why would you care what happens in the other universe?

Also, if like you said, people get invested in these characters way more than they should, than that's their problem.
I shouldn't change what I have in mind for my game just to please someone that invested way too much of their affection into fictional characters.
Besides, when you try to please someone, you end up pleasing nobody.

I'm already doing a lot by making everything completely optional.

There are some lines I won't cross though, mostly because they're stuff I don't like myself, like NTR, any kind of dom stuff or y'know, the very fringe stuff.

Meanwhile, I'll keep going with my original vision of the game and, if people don't like it, I'm sure they'll find other games they can invest their affection into.

Good Spock might understand your logic; but Dark Spock will just mock it.

 

[Lykanz]

Good Spock might understand your logic; but Dark Spock will just mock it.

Is Dark Spock the one with the goatee?
If so he can fuck off lmao.

 

[Son of Durin]

Is Dark Spock the one with the goatee?
If so he can fuck off lmao.

He is.

Presently watching "Fringe" on binge and Leo's character would get along well with Dark Spock. And that's another example of entertainment involving an alternate universe.

 

[Lupin the 3rd]

Exactly what it says. It's a program that generate beatmaps for custom songs for the WWD minigame.

I'll make a tutorial for it at some point... Eventually.

You should look it up again, the Avast Free Antivirus moved this program in quarantine because of trojan issues. I deleted it immediately.

 

[Bill Temple]

Right...

What I don't understand then is what's hard to understand in "It'll only happen if you toggle this option on, otherwise it won't even be mentioned."

Think of it as "parallel universes". In one universe the option to have sex with the futanari character is activated and in the other it isn't.

You live in the universe where this option is turned off, why would you care what happens in the other universe?

It can go beyond parallel universes. Even fully isolated realities can taint each other (heh... taint). For some, if a dev has ever included NTR in a game, all their work is ruined.
I got into a debate with a guy who didn't like a game because the NTR option was there. When I talked him into a corner about his self-loathing over his game choices, his final rebuttal was that the devs' previous game had contained slightly difficult-to-avoid NTR, so they are cuck game devs and all their games would always be cuck games.

 

[Bill Temple]

You should look it up again, the Avast Free Antivirus moved this program in quarantine because of trojan issues. I deleted it immediately.

Did Avast find a trojan or did it just not have a wide enough install base for Avast to deem it safe?

 

[Lykanz]

You should look it up again, the Avast Free Antivirus moved this program in quarantine because of trojan issues. I deleted it immediately.

Probably a false positive.
I made that program myself.

 

[Son of Durin]

It can go beyond parallel universes. Even fully isolated realities can taint each other (heh... taint). For some, if a dev has ever included NTR in a game, all their work is ruined.
I got into a debate with a guy who didn't like a game because the NTR option was there. When I talked him into a corner about his self-loathing over his game choices, his final rebuttal was that the devs' previous game had contained slightly difficult-to-avoid NTR, so they are cuck game devs and all their games would always be cuck games.

He caught is kindergarten crush looking at another boy and has never been the same since.

 

[Lykanz]

It can go beyond parallel universes. Even fully isolated realities can taint each other (heh... taint). For some, if a dev has ever included NTR in a game, all their work is ruined.
I got into a debate with a guy who didn't like a game because the NTR option was there. When I talked him into a corner about his self-loathing over his game choices, his final rebuttal was that the devs' previous game had contained slightly difficult-to-avoid NTR, so they are cuck game devs and all their games would always be cuck games.

Some people are very vocal about stuff like that.

As a dev it gets very annoying after a while.

Especially if you're developing a harem game.

 

[althworld]

Some people are very vocal about stuff like that.

As a dev it gets very annoying after a while.

Especially if you're developing a harem game.

The best option is to make everything optional. Even make sex optional. And definitely don't include any handholding. That's too lewd even for a porn game.

 

[TD1900]

I think the issue here is much more about "sharing" and "NTR" than "futa". A lot of creators tend to forget a lot of people get invested in these characters (some waaaaay more than they should), and they don't wanna see the version of the characters they have in their head to be destroyed.

If only it was possible, but let me assure you: no dev around these parts forgets the worrying degree in which some people self-insert themselves into the story and then claim entitlement over it.

The thing is, readers do not have ownership over a story. It's a relationship between an author and his audience, with the developer's role being to create and present a story on its own terms and the reader's job being to decide if that story is worth their time and interest. Constructive feedback is golden, but there is a difference in telling a developer that the elements in the story are poorly conveyed vs trying to dictate what those elements are.

Fiction beautifully offers a healthy outlet for escapism, but the moment you start worrying about being "cucked" in quantum universes, I would start thinking that I'm seeking something a porn game can't provide.

 

[Son of Durin]

And definitely don't include any handholding. That's too lewd even for a porn game.

Spoiler: More shocking than even hand holding...

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