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Yeah I think by far the biggest Problem with Arato is his introduction. That and how other characters behave around him.
At first he just gets introduced and it's no big deal. He's just kindof there having an occasional scene of annoying Mary, but not much else. But then he kindof kidnaps the plot because he's needed for a big plot moment and the dev didn't really set him up that much before hand. So you just get one huge scene after another of just arato, arato and more arato.
And the problem isn't just if you dislike Arato himself, but that other characters behave differently around him and if you like how those characters act normally, then there's just nothing to enjoy about those scenes. Mary isn't fun and cheery anymore, Shizuka isn't subtle and mysterious anymore. You can't enjoy the normal personality of the characters you like, because they don't act like that anymore and you don't enjoy Arato. So it's just a big stretch of plot that's just filled with stuff you don't particularly enjoy.
But it's not all that bad. Once the game gets it out of it's system and finally reaches that big plot moment, depending on what route you choose, you're back to mostly the usual three with Arato just lurking in the background.
So if someone gets to that point and really doesn't like the Arato content, I would honestly recommend just looking up with choices lead to the kendo route, enable skipping unseen content and skip towards the scene with the final route choice. If you don't like Arato and his stuff then there's not much you loose by skipping those scenes till then.
 

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Yeah I think by far the biggest Problem with Arato is his introduction. That and how other characters behave around him.
At first he just gets introduced and it's no big deal. He's just kindof there having an occasional scene of annoying Mary, but not much else. But then he kindof kidnaps the plot because he's needed for a big plot moment and the dev didn't really set him up that much before hand. So you just get one huge scene after another of just arato, arato and more arato.
And the problem isn't just if you dislike Arato himself, but that other characters behave differently around him and if you like how those characters act normally, then there's just nothing to enjoy about those scenes. Mary isn't fun and cheery anymore, Shizuka isn't subtle and mysterious anymore. You can't enjoy the normal personality of the characters you like, because they don't act like that anymore and you don't enjoy Arato. So it's just a big stretch of plot that's just filled with stuff you don't particularly enjoy.
But it's not all that bad. Once the game gets it out of it's system and finally reaches that big plot moment, depending on what route you choose, you're back to mostly the usual three with Arato just lurking in the background.
So if someone gets to that point and really doesn't like the Arato content, I would honestly recommend just looking up with choices lead to the kendo route, enable skipping unseen content and skip towards the scene with the final route choice. If you don't like Arato and his stuff then there's not much you loose by skipping those scenes till then.
So there is a game called Shadow of Desire by SHAMANDEV that I really like. It started out really good with the triangle characters. You got three route, cheating, cuckold and blackmail. You got the MC, main girl, and the antagonist. There are side chicks and side quest to get distracted with, but SHAMANDEV was mainly focusing on the big three. But just like King of Summer as the chapters started to progress, SHAMANNDEV started to add a bunch of random characters, plot and decision that made the game really messy and random, the interest in investing in the story got lost.

Characters started to 180 in their characters, that you are like WHAT? So in this path, they love the antagonist, but in this route, they hate the antagonist? But in the other path they both hate and love the antagonist? They break the immersion, consistency, and everything just felt lazy and forced. I started to feel like I don't wanna read anything when I am so invested in the main characters original plot. I just don't care about these random character that were not fleshed out? But I am force to read about them when SHAMANDEV left me in on a cliff hanger with the original three characters?

I end up skipping everything to get the characters I was invested in. Anyways, I am not saying I am a great story teller, but once I start my journey in my own NTR game, animation and stories, I wont make this choice. I will stick to a main plot and the side quest are but optional, or if not skippable, wont mess with the main plot. If there are new characters that are planned to add, they will be flesh out in their own story that will then be introduced in the universe later, or side by side.

I love both of your works! You both inspire me to go out and spend a huge amount of money to upgrade my PC that is coming in two to three weeks times to start my own series. I am studying blender, 3d Daz, photoshop and many more. I am thankful for both you! One day! My NTR series will come to light!
 
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So there is a game called Shadow of Desire by SHAMANDEV that I really like. It started out really good with the triangle characters. You got three route, cheating, cuckold and blackmail. You got the MC, main girl, and the antagonist. There are side chicks and side quest to get distracted with, but SHAMANDEV was mainly focusing on the big three. But just like King of Summer as the chapters started to progress, SHAMANNDEV started to add a bunch of random characters, plot and decision that made the game really messy and random, the interest in investing in the story got lost.

Characters started to 180 in their characters, that you are like WHAT? So in this path, they love the antagonist, but in this route, they hate the antagonist? But in the other path they both hate and love the antagonist? They break the immersion, consistency, and everything just felt lazy and forced. I started to feel like I don't wanna read anything when I am so invested in the main characters original plot. I just don't care about these random character that were not fleshed out? But I am force to read about them when SHAMANDEV left me in on a cliff hanger with the original three characters?

I end up skipping everything to get the characters I was invested in. Anyways, I am not saying I am a great story teller, but once I start my journey in my own NTR game, animation and stories, I wont make this choice. I will stick to a main plot and the side quest are but optional, or if not skippable, wont mess with the main plot. If there are new characters that are planned to add, they will be flesh out in their own story that will then be introduced in the universe later, or side by side.

No Try Studios and ShamanDEV I love both of your works! You both inspire me to go out and spend a huge amount of money to upgrade my PC that is coming in two to three weeks times to start my own series. I am studying blender, 3d Daz, photoshop and many more. I am thankful for both you! One day! My NTR series will come to light!
I don't get that feeling at all from either of the games you mention. All the side characters in this game feel like appropriate additions to build a harem or show conquest.

And Adding a toxic NTR path in Arato is just adding a different slant to NTR. Kendo is more of the loving Dom, Arato is more the sadistic user. Different kinks for different people. Not everyone wants Daddy Kendo and not everyone wants Bratty Arato.

I do understand your feeling though, as that is 100% my issue with SAO right now. Kind of killed the game for me being cockblocked to deal with some character I give zero fucks over.

I just don't see it here, but to each their own.
 

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Yeah I think by far the biggest Problem with Arato is his introduction. That and how other characters behave around him.
At first he just gets introduced and it's no big deal. He's just kindof there having an occasional scene of annoying Mary, but not much else. But then he kindof kidnaps the plot because he's needed for a big plot moment and the dev didn't really set him up that much before hand. So you just get one huge scene after another of just arato, arato and more arato.
And the problem isn't just if you dislike Arato himself, but that other characters behave differently around him and if you like how those characters act normally, then there's just nothing to enjoy about those scenes. Mary isn't fun and cheery anymore, Shizuka isn't subtle and mysterious anymore. You can't enjoy the normal personality of the characters you like, because they don't act like that anymore and you don't enjoy Arato. So it's just a big stretch of plot that's just filled with stuff you don't particularly enjoy.
But it's not all that bad. Once the game gets it out of it's system and finally reaches that big plot moment, depending on what route you choose, you're back to mostly the usual three with Arato just lurking in the background.
So if someone gets to that point and really doesn't like the Arato content, I would honestly recommend just looking up with choices lead to the kendo route, enable skipping unseen content and skip towards the scene with the final route choice. If you don't like Arato and his stuff then there's not much you loose by skipping those scenes till then.

It's just a different route . . . . if you don't like Arato, then choose to kick him to the curb. If you do so, his entire plot is a blip on the story. If you chose to keep him around and lose Kendo, then that's kind on you.

Different routes in games have different vibes.

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I don't know about others, but the complaint isn't Arato or Kendo themselves. It is how it took away from the original main focus of the story. The game clearly advertise Kendo in the front, but as the update went, It focused so heavily on Arato. Don't get it twisted. It is literally the shoe horn that I think kills it for some. Had this game been about Arato, this sure.
Well, to clear some misconceptions, I didn't get bored of Kendo or try to replace him. Arato was part of the plan from the start. And while the way I introduced him may be a bit messy, it's not something I'm planning to change.

Plus reception of Arato has been overall positive. At least when it comes to my regular patrons, they all seem to enjoy both Kendo's and his content more-or-less equally. And he gives me the opportunity to delve in some scenarios that wouldn't fit Kendo's character, such as the whole video thing.
No worries dev it's most likely you would only receive complains about Arato here.
But to say it took away original focus on the story is pretty subjective. The game introduced Kendo first doesn't makes the whole world revolve around him you know? But yes I do agree Arato is introduced badly but the way dev remove Kendo out of the picture was brilliant.
Different route, different vibes, the game never sets out to just have 1 dude stealing Mary. Choices exist for a reason you know?
The game isn't even that complex, either you remove Kendo to follow the Arato route or you do the opposite. There you have it, your main story focusing on the dude you chose.
 
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Well, to clear some misconceptions, I didn't get bored of Kendo or try to replace him. Arato was part of the plan from the start. And while the way I introduced him may be a bit messy, it's not something I'm planning to change. I understand that some people here want me to make Kendo pay for his actions or die whatever kind of weirdly dark turns you guys have concocted here, but in the end I'm a Kendo fanboy who wants the big cock old man to have an absolute victory.

I think once the game is done it'll be evident why Arato is needed. His showdown with Kendo a few updates ago is already enough of a hint of what his role in Kendo's final ending will be.

But the biggest reason for his existence is the same reason of why I do anything as a porn game developer:

Because it's hot and fun.

Like suuure, I could take him out and make happy everyone who says "He sucks, he sucks!" but if I made any changes based on those kinds of comments then Kendo wouldn't be old or fat and Satoshi would be some super chad or whatever.

Plus reception of Arato has been overall positive. At least when it comes to my regular patrons, they all seem to enjoy both Kendo's and his content more-or-less equally. And he gives me the opportunity to delve in some scenarios that wouldn't fit Kendo's character, such as the whole video thing.
Dont listen to the dumb cucks who identify with Satoshi and want him to win and get revenge or whatever.
Let them play goddamn vanilla games or cowardly netorase sheesh
 
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No worries dev it's most likely you would only receive complains about Arato here.
Why is that?

But to say it took away original focus on the story is pretty subjective. The game introduced Kendo first doesn't makes the whole world revolve around him you know?
He is pretty clearly the main character in the game, maybe even more than Mary.
the way dev remove Kendo out of the picture was brilliant.
I didn't play the game(just used the quick jump to after sex before path choice) but are you referring to the heart-to-heart between uncle and nephew? What do you mean that's brilliant, that scene is ass. Dude has been fucking the love of his nephew's life behind his back and then suddenly is fine with going away and give up on, what, 10 hotties because?

Different route, different vibes, the game never sets out to just have 1 dude stealing Mary. Choices exist for a reason you know?
The game isn't even that complex, either you remove Kendo to follow the Arato route or you do the opposite. There you have it, your main story focusing on the dude you chose.
This, though, is very true, and it's the main reason why I decided to comment. Maybe add some quick choices for the skip options on Starting a new game, Dev? It's a big game, and since there are different paths it'd be nice to have those choices on the skip option.
 

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I have heard everyone's feedback.

First, for those who'd rather not have Arato content, I shall add a "No Arato" button, which will erase all content featuring him on your game.

Since I have also received feedback about how Kendo is boring or too terrible of a person and thus shouldn't exist, in the update after that the "No Arato" button will turn into "No Arato & Kendo" button, which will take all their content out of the game, turning it vanilla.

Furthermore, I have also gotten valuable feedback about how whiny and horrible Satoshi is, and thus in the following update from the one mentioned above, I will add the "No Arato/Kendo/Satoshi" button, effectively eliminating most content from the game.

Finally, after getting several comments about how bad NTR is, that button will eventually turn simply into the "No" button. Once you press it, the game will be completely erased from your device, but only after sending your banking data my way as a reward for following your suggestions.

Hopefully these changes will make everyone happy.
 

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I have heard everyone's feedback.

First, for those who'd rather not have Arato content, I shall add a "No Arato" button, which will erase all content featuring him on your game.

Since I have also received feedback about how Kendo is boring or too terrible of a person and thus shouldn't exist, in the update after that the "No Arato" button will turn into "No Arato & Kendo" button, which will take all their content out of the game, turning it vanilla.

Furthermore, I have also gotten valuable feedback about how whiny and horrible Satoshi is, and thus in the following update from the one mentioned above, I will add the "No Arato/Kendo/Satoshi" button, effectively eliminating most content from the game.

Finally, after getting several comments about how bad NTR is, that button will eventually turn simply into the "No" button. Once you press it, the game will be completely erased from your device, but only after sending your banking data my way as a reward for following your suggestions.

Hopefully these changes will make everyone happy.
Yooo GOTY?
 
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I have heard everyone's feedback.

First, for those who'd rather not have Arato content, I shall add a "No Arato" button, which will erase all content featuring him on your game.

Since I have also received feedback about how Kendo is boring or too terrible of a person and thus shouldn't exist, in the update after that the "No Arato" button will turn into "No Arato & Kendo" button, which will take all their content out of the game, turning it vanilla.

Furthermore, I have also gotten valuable feedback about how whiny and horrible Satoshi is, and thus in the following update from the one mentioned above, I will add the "No Arato/Kendo/Satoshi" button, effectively eliminating most content from the game.

Finally, after getting several comments about how bad NTR is, that button will eventually turn simply into the "No" button. Once you press it, the game will be completely erased from your device, but only after sending your banking data my way as a reward for following your suggestions.

Hopefully these changes will make everyone happy.
I stand by the stance that Arato was a completely unnecessary and frankly a bizarre addition to the game... But damn... That's a solid response and I respect it.
You do you Dev, you do you.
 
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I have heard everyone's feedback.

First, for those who'd rather not have Arato content, I shall add a "No Arato" button, which will erase all content featuring him on your game.

Since I have also received feedback about how Kendo is boring or too terrible of a person and thus shouldn't exist, in the update after that the "No Arato" button will turn into "No Arato & Kendo" button, which will take all their content out of the game, turning it vanilla.

Furthermore, I have also gotten valuable feedback about how whiny and horrible Satoshi is, and thus in the following update from the one mentioned above, I will add the "No Arato/Kendo/Satoshi" button, effectively eliminating most content from the game.

Finally, after getting several comments about how bad NTR is, that button will eventually turn simply into the "No" button. Once you press it, the game will be completely erased from your device, but only after sending your banking data my way as a reward for following your suggestions.

Hopefully these changes will make everyone happy.

Honestly, the only issue I see at all with your game in the slightest is that the whole being forced to do the bottle game thing like 10 times to progress got old fast. Super wish there was a skip game option to bypass it or at least skip to end results.
 

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I have heard everyone's feedback.

First, for those who'd rather not have Arato content, I shall add a "No Arato" button, which will erase all content featuring him on your game.

Since I have also received feedback about how Kendo is boring or too terrible of a person and thus shouldn't exist, in the update after that the "No Arato" button will turn into "No Arato & Kendo" button, which will take all their content out of the game, turning it vanilla.

Furthermore, I have also gotten valuable feedback about how whiny and horrible Satoshi is, and thus in the following update from the one mentioned above, I will add the "No Arato/Kendo/Satoshi" button, effectively eliminating most content from the game.

Finally, after getting several comments about how bad NTR is, that button will eventually turn simply into the "No" button. Once you press it, the game will be completely erased from your device, but only after sending your banking data my way as a reward for following your suggestions.

Hopefully these changes will make everyone happy.
DEV, its your game, and you do what you must and will to make you happy and enjoy your product first. I already stated I don't care if Arato is there or not. It was just the way he was shoe horn in stole the whole game as it went that kill my fire for the game. It made the game what it is already and you can't fix that without a restart or rewrite of the entire story. I would of love Arato if he was the main antagonist of his own story perhaps tie your game's universe . Regardless, you are an awesome devoloper and game creator.

I am the process of starting my own game. Concepts on an MC, antagonist, main girl, and side girls. I even concept a universe in case if I plan on adding other antagonist, side stories or spin off. I plan to stay grounded but not completely realistic. The concepts are still fresh. I used you as an inspiration. You, No Try Studio SHAMANDEV, NTRMAN, ObliviousNTR and some concept from JAV. PC parts like my rtx 4090, ryzen and 9000 series, motherboard are twoo weeks away. Anyways thank for being a drving force into my NTR game journey!
 
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