Others The Klub 17 + Hook5 [V11 & VX + KE Update 1 + Hook5 Extended] [TK17 & Pervokptr]

[HDiddy]

I just can't be bothered to waste time with arbitrary gatekeeping.
TK17 needs to come with Hook5 pre-installed, period.

LOL....trust me, if your getting frustrated with the Hook5 install, you are in for a lot of annoyances. This "game" is a mod. A cracked version of something developed by a German software company called Thrixxx. Everything about it is a exercise in patience if you want to get the most out of it.

For those of us who play it, we have come to fully understand that and embrace it. Unfortunately others think it is as simple as just installing stuff, which is far from the case and just leads folks to rage quit.

 

[tek17]

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[Reecoom]

I just can't be bothered to waste time with arbitrary gatekeeping.
TK17 needs to come with Hook5 pre-installed, period.

I understand you in part, I have taken about 6-7 years to understand everything xd (yes I know, I'm fool) probably more than 1000 hours, since my mother tongue is spanish, and the spanish community disappeared after modsgarden fell (they helped me a lot), that's why I still don't dare to move to new versions, I'm too lazy to start all over again as a newbie, since I will be all alone with my doubts. I guess I'll stay in 7.5. answering your question hook5 by itself does almost nothing, even if hook5 is installed by default, you must understand how normalmaps works, the values of the _pass. txt values, understand the leveldefinition for the correct illumination of the room, also install normalmaps for skins, eyes, nails, eyebrows, hair, and for each of the clothes you use, sometimes you must create them from 0 using photoshop. etc. also install of course replace bodys for body and faces. and many things more, that's the basics to make the game look good. in short, you have to get a degree with a diploma xd what hurt me the most when modsgarden fell is the info, the amount of tutorials that were lost, the questions and answers made in the spanish community (my language) if you are going to get into this game you have to be mentalized that you have to invest several hours. it is an old game with many mods, each mod is made by different people so each mod has its own instructions for installation and use. patience is a virtue in this game, it's like getting into install mod in skyrim, it takes time

 

[Mugsy]

will the v11 version have compatibility with the 7.5 mods?

V11 is about 98% backwards compatible with VX, which is about 98% backwards compatible with v7.5.

So most of your existing mods, etc will work just fine in v11.

Being 64bit, all versions of (32bit) Hook are incompatible with v11. However, you can take advantage of ReShade in DX10/11/12 & Vulkan modes using DxVk.

 

[Bulokungol]

Tk17 VX with hook5 won't work on directx... 2 days already looking for answers... Windows 10pro... Tried hook4 , it worked but f4 only turns the game into a green mess... F9 change the lighting but downgrades the quality of the game. F10 f11 just makes the game stop a few seconds... Installed the directx8 and 9 , hook5 still doesn't work. The Game crashes everytime. Always been deleting mainfxerrors , still crashin... I'm gonna be happy if i could just get it work and prove to myself oh yeah I did it. That's what's keeping me from looking for answers. Tried hook 5 basic , extended , crash. Gonna try reshade later without hook. Anyone here done this before?
I won't be here if only my fav creators keep it coming but some of them just takes too long to release something.
Anyway, thank you for the tips , the effort , the dedication , your passion is contagious.

 

[Mugsy]

Tk17 VX with hook5 won't work on directx... 2 days already looking for answers... Windows 10pro

To get H5 to work with Win10 (which comes with DX11 preinstalled, and Hook requires DX9), you need to install the DX9 libraries (June 2010) AND "DotNet 3.2".

Test using "H5 free 2019" (which installs simply by placing 2 files and a folder in your "Binaries" folder.) Once you have that working, we can tackle the FULL version of H5.

 

[4245]

It has been some time since I used it. But there is a memory leak that requires a patch. I think the it does not release memory that it has used so you eventually run out of Ram. Check modsgarden for information. 8 gigs of ram is pretty dicey as well. From memory, it is right at the minimum required level. I think you have to replace the binary exe as the patch. You are launching for the exe in the binary folder and not the root folder correct?

Does anyone know how to fix the memory leak problem? It fucked up my PC memory even after I deleted the game

 

[Bulokungol]

I got reshade to work. Gave up on hook 5 , tried hook 4... Its kinda ok but miles away from the awesome ones that I see here... The hook still doesn't operate , it just helps in launching the reshade. Am such a noob. Can we just turn out the sun or any lights dimmer? I think the darker it is , the game will look a little bit better. What programs can I use to record/edit good quality videos? Tips please on making characters(i always come up with alien looking ones.) Thank you!

 

[PhaedraRattler]

I got reshade to work. Gave up on hook 5 , tried hook 4... Its kinda ok but miles away from the awesome ones that I see here... The hook still doesn't operate , it just helps in launching the reshade. Am such a noob. Can we just turn out the sun or any lights dimmer? I think the darker it is , the game will look a little bit better. What programs can I use to record/edit good quality videos? Tips please on making characters(i always come up with alien looking ones.) Thank you!

Being blatantly honest I find hard to believe someone just simply could give up on H5 and just settle with ReShade , let's say one is an wrapper based on DX11 API that gives you the power to experience a mildly accurate PBR workflow (hook5); and the other one is a simple collection of post processing effects that retouch your output but don't enhance game shading at all

I think you must try harder on the install, as mentioned above you require DirectX June 2010 redistributable files (collection of legacy improvements on DirectX9 for Windows 10), which don't worry it won't replace your DirectX11 but are just a pre-requisite of H5 to work

Also, remember to launch your game from TK17-158.001.exe (at least first start after install) and in DirectX renderer

Regarding a good recording software, if you are a Windows 10 user you can try with Microsoft Game Bar built in video recording tool that IMO is very profficient, there are other options but that's the fastet one

 

[Mugsy]

Does anyone know how to fix the memory leak problem?

Which version?

V11's memory "leak" (I hate that term b/c it's not really a "leak", it's a memory "disposal" issue) is atrocious. Fortunately, it doesn't crash TK17 the way VX does (the 32bit 4GB ceiling crashes TK17 absurdly often.) But every time you try to switch modes (eg: exit PoseEdit and start the Sequencer), it takes progressively longer & longer. It's faster to just close & relaunch V11 whenever you need to change "Modes". There is no "patch" for this (at this time.)

VX doesn't really have a "memory leak", but it runs into the 4GB ceiling (technically, 8GB via the Windows swap file) incredibly fast if you have Hook5 & lots of mods installed ("Hook 4" used DX9, which had horrible memory management as well, making it almost unusable on VX.) I use a "Clean RAM" sweeper app to free up wasted ram before launching VX with H5.

V7.5 was the worst of both worlds. Terrible memory management and runs out of ram far too fast. Both 7.5 & VX benefit from a "4GB patch" that releases the 512GB of system ram, freeing up all 4GB for your use.

 

[Mugsy]

I got reshade to work. Gave up on hook 5 , tried hook 4... Its kinda ok but miles away from the awesome ones that I see here...

32bit H5 doesn't work with 64bit V11. To use it with 32bit VX, you need to add the DX9.0c libraries (June 2010) and "DotNet-3.5".

64bit V11 can use ReShade in DX10/11/12 & Vulkan modes using "DxVk". ReShade is a graphics POST processor though, so the results don't compare to H5, but it's better than nothing.

H5 requires DX11 (the DX9 files are for TK17's use), so it will not work with Windows 7 or 8. It is possible to get the "2019 free version" of H5 (no H5 object or moving hair support) to work with VX under Linux using Wine if you know what you're doing.

 

[Mugsy]

Also, remember to launch your game from TK17-158.001.exe (at least first start after install) and in DirectX renderer

Regarding a good recording software, if you are a Windows 10 user you can try with Microsoft Game Bar built in video recording tool that IMO is very profficient, there are other options but that's the fastet one

Actually, it's best to launch VX using the "VX_Launcher" app. Bypassing the launcher skips some helpful prerequisites (it's been years, so I forget what exactly), but it'll run more stable with fewer security risks (ie: don't use "Admin Mode".)

If you have an nVidia video card with "GeForce Experience" installed, use the built-in video recorder (if enabled) for free HD recording with sound.

 

[Mugsy]

For a visual example of the difference between what's possible with V11 with ReShade (6.1.1) and VX using Hook 5, check out a movie I created using both.

I made a movie using a fully modded V11 including ReShade 6 to improve the color and lighting. I then back-ported it to VX and redid it using H5 (I added custom room lighting, and took advantage of H5's "moving hair" with the model) to show off what each is capable of.

Let me know what you think.

"BFF_Gamers".

 

[PhaedraRattler]

Actually, it's best to launch VX using the "VX_Launcher" app. Bypassing the launcher skips some helpful prerequisites (it's been years, so I forget what exactly), but it'll run more stable with fewer security risks (ie: don't use "Admin Mode".)

If you have an nVidia video card with "GeForce Experience" installed, use the built-in video recorder (if enabled) for free HD recording with sound.

Launcher from binaries directory is another option and didn't know about its advantages, I'm just used to launch from TK17-158.001.exe but anyways something tells me many users launch from "Play The Klub 17.exe" which tends to not work quite well under H5

 

[StokkaFilippo]

Hi Mugsy ! Nice to have you here too

 

[HDiddy]

For a visual example of the difference between what's possible with V11 with ReShade (6.1.1) and VX using Hook 5, check out a movie I created using both.

I made a movie using a fully modded V11 including ReShade 6 to improve the color and lighting. I then back-ported it to VX and redid it using H5 (I added custom room lighting, and took advantage of H5's "moving hair" with the model) to show off what each is capable of.

Let me know what you think.

"BFF_Gamers".

Sorry man, but this is really not the best example of what Hook5 is capable of or even used that well. The lighting, skin textures, etc, are simply not that good. Let me explain...

There are absolutely no perceivable H5 textures on the models. The male model just seems to be a base skin with nothing else. Same for clothes, and hair. Female model is the same but less noticeable. It seems you just put some hair works hair on the model and left it as that.



Lack of lighting. Are you even using a Level Definition in this room? Maybe you just turned on the Sun but the lighting is a bit too dark. I would turn off the Sun, use a low level Omni to fill the room, and have a spot light provide a glow form the TV. And yes because you are not using Hook5 Normals and Specs on the skins they are not reflecting well in the light. Especially the male model



If folks want a better sample of how to use H5 and what it is capable of in video...check my video here:

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[HDiddy]

One thing to remember Hook5 is more of a tool that in the right hands you can do some incredible stuff with. You just cannot turn it on throw a few lights in your scene and expect it to look good. From Custom Skins, to Physx, Hairworks, Particles, Water, H5 Objects, Scripting and more there is a lot you can take advantage of...

Other Good H5 Video Samples (My Opinion)

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H5 Examples that well...are not so good (My Opinion)

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[Bulokungol]

Damn , thanks everyone! I don't plan to stop till I get the best out of this. It's just want to feel like I've accomplished something today...
-make hook5 work is still a goal.

I read on KE about a Starter.rar or something... Can't find it on the mega folder that people keep sharing. What does that rar have inside? I think that's what I'm missing... It's that one step that I'm going nuts for while trying to get hook5 to operate.

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(it's that starter shit that's the only thing missing)

Lord HDiddy , those are some hot pieces. I might forget about hook5 and just watch those!

Thanks guys!

 

[4245]

Which version?

V11's memory "leak" (I hate that term b/c it's not really a "leak", it's a memory "disposal" issue) is atrocious. Fortunately, it doesn't crash TK17 the way VX does (the 32bit 4GB ceiling crashes TK17 absurdly often.) But every time you try to switch modes (eg: exit PoseEdit and start the Sequencer), it takes progressively longer & longer. It's faster to just close & relaunch V11 whenever you need to change "Modes". There is no "patch" for this (at this time.)

VX doesn't really have a "memory leak", but it runs into the 4GB ceiling (technically, 8GB via the Windows swap file) incredibly fast if you have Hook5 & lots of mods installed ("Hook 4" used DX9, which had horrible memory management as well, making it almost unusable on VX.) I use a "Clean RAM" sweeper app to free up wasted ram before launching VX with H5.

V7.5 was the worst of both worlds. Terrible memory management and runs out of ram far too fast. Both 7.5 & VX benefit from a "4GB patch" that releases the 512GB of system ram, freeing up all 4GB for your use.

I've downloaded and launched each one. But I've since uninstalled them all and still have ram/vram problems. At this point, I dont care about using The Klub. I just want to fix whatever memory issue its left me with.

Would the ram sweeper app you use help me? If so, whats it called?

 

[HDiddy]

I've downloaded and launched each one. But I've since uninstalled them all and still have ram/vram problems. At this point, I dont care about using The Klub. I just want to fix whatever memory issue its left me with.

Would the ram sweeper app you use help me? If so, whats it called?

What memory issue? The game is not going to cause some overarching memory issue for your system. Actually nothing can do this unless it is malware or something similar. If you uninstalled the game any issue your system is having is most likely 1) Has always been there....or 2) You installed something you were not supposed to install trying to get things working.

Regardless pretty difficult to help when your not being all that specific on what the issue actually is.