Fulminato

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Esthera problem is she is just an Incubus king, being a major one or not doesn't matter she refushed to walk other paths of power and so never gained the armour like the anak said even major shard holders can be taken out until they start walking other paths of path power to form proper defences, like we saw with the ritual every king but simion, Anak and tanurak took one blast to lock away while tanurak and simion took two
in the dialogue in the "holy plane" xerces state esthera gained "protection" from the tower and nothing more.
esthera herself advice simon at the start of chapter 4 to asorb some of the essence of the tower to build an armor.
 

Avaron1974

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Esthera problem is she is just an Incubus king, being a major one or not doesn't matter she refushed to walk other paths of power and so never gained the armour like the anak said even major shard holders can be taken out until they start walking other paths of path power to form proper defences, like we saw with the ritual every king but simion, Anak and tanurak took one blast to lock away while tanurak and simion took two
Esthara took power and armour when she took her shard. She had to to bend the shard to her will.

She never went further but she did take some.
 

Goi

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not sure she did just walking the tower doesn't do that since it is a mix of powers and well she only forced the shard to bend to her so one power

hell I would of said Mestan would have more defence since he would of had some chaos nature from Lilith to mix with it even if he didn't know what he was doing like Esthara did

and even if she did it is clear others can still effect her shard which Anak is the best at, if anything simion alteration of it would give more defence.
 

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I'd also like to find whats up with Varia's powers to avoid death. Ever since the first encounter with her when you push the boulders down on her whole crew and she somehow survives she even says "I'm alive!?" King Alonon said it had something to do with fate but as we all know destiny and fate can change because as the original status quo of the world changes the destinies and fates of others shift and change as well. So I wonder if there is something more behind her so called power of extreme luck of avoiding death. I hope Sierra delves more into that also as it may have an effect on future outcomes.
 

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I dont understand why this game have so many upvotes.
My biggest problem is with this game, that for a porn game the sex scenes are not enjoyable.
How should player enjoy the sex scenes when a wall of text covers over 60%.
What the sex scenes definitely miss.
-More then 1 image
-sound there is no moan or sex sounds.
And the biggest problem
-30% of the sex scenes are a wall of text with a black background
-60% of the sex scenes are a wall of text with one sex image in the background
-the final 10% of the sex scenes are normal you have in Text bubble the text and then over the Text bubble the sex scene

SPOILER
I played until you kill the Chosen. And I dont see why I should ply this game when the sex scenes are not really good.
So this is my review.
Can somebody pls tell me, if the sex scenes later are better than in the beginning? Or if the sex scenes are still the same with the wall of text and only one image.
 

Waxer

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So this is my review.
Can somebody pls tell me, if the sex scenes later are better than in the beginning? Or if the sex scenes are still the same with the wall of text and only one image.
The sex scenes of the game are mostly text based yes. If you are searching for a game with hundreds of images/animations then this isn't the one for you. TLS focuses a lot on story and text.
 

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So this is my review.
Can somebody pls tell me, if the sex scenes later are better than in the beginning? Or if the sex scenes are still the same with the wall of text and only one image.
Well as far the sex scenes go they are relatively the same throughout as far as the images and text. But i think most of us who play the game and enjoy the game dont play it for the sex. Yea I love tits and fat asses as much as anybody but this game is about so much more then just simple sex scenes. In my opinion if a game only is about the sex scenes i might play it once and then immediately delete it because it has no meaning once you've seen the scenes. A game that is only about the scenes and nothin else is boring and loses its appeal after 1 play. Obviously if you just looking to see sex this game is not for you. But personally I think the girls are sexy as hell and the fact that they are actually fully developed characters with goals and backgrounds makes them that much sexier. If I meet a sexy girl in real life and she is just a mindless bimbo then i'll just fuck her and never talk to her again because she as nothing to offer after that. This game actually maintains a fan base because it has more appeal then just 1 basic simpleminded human instinct. But your free to have you opinion to each their own.
 

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Well as far the sex scenes go they are relatively the same throughout as far as the images and text. But i think most of us who play the game and enjoy the game dont play it for the sex. Yea I love tits and fat asses as much as anybody but this game is about so much more then just simple sex scenes. In my opinion if a game only is about the sex scenes i might play it once and then immediately delete it because it has no meaning once you've seen the scenes. A game that is only about the scenes and nothin else is boring and loses its appeal after 1 play. Obviously if you just looking to see sex this game is not for you. But personally I think the girls are sexy as hell and the fact that they are actually fully developed characters with goals and backgrounds makes them that much sexier. If I meet a sexy girl in real life and she is just a mindless bimbo then i'll just fuck her and never talk to her again because she as nothing to offer after that. This game actually maintains a fan base because it has more appeal then just 1 basic simpleminded human instinct. But your free to have you opinion to each their own.
I like the story until now. But when the sex scenes are so boring then the game is not for me.
I dont like RPGM games, and only porn games can persuade me to play this kind of games.
But only a good story can not persuade me.
Then I will leave my review in this forum and will not edit it.
 

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>I played until you kill the Chosen. And I dont see why I should play this game when the sex scenes are not really good.
>Playing Last Sovereign for the sex scenes.
So you played an hour of a 100+ hour game and let that impression decide your judgement? Okay.
 

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>I played until you kill the Chosen. And I dont see why I should play this game when the sex scenes are not really good.
>Playing Last Sovereign for the sex scenes.
So you played an hour of a 100+ hour game and let that impression decide your judgement? Okay.
Yes, thats why I ask in this forum, if the sex scenes are still the same or not. If you read the last 4 post, then you know that I will not play this kind of games without good sex scenes. But I doubt you read the last 4 post.

And for me on this site are good sex scenes the most importend aspect in games, what this game dont really have. Thats why I give this game 1/5 stars.
 

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despite them being called "porn games", people tend to only care about the "porn" and neglect the "games". and that's really fucking frustrating. imagine you have this incredible game; this really fucking good game, and then some guy comes in saying "dis game no monkey fap fap neuron activation brain ooga booga, therefore game bad".

there is this common misconception that porn games are just sex scene storages, where the gameplay is filler. no wonder many people just ask for full save files in most threads. you boot up the game, load the save file, watch the gallery.
truth is, there is no game in that, there is just porn. and if i wanted just porn, i would have watched actual hentai videos.

but i believe this is a problem born from the provider, and not the consumer. you can find a lot of games with decent, good, or even astonishing sex scenes, but which lack good gameplay. that's because in most cases, the dev works solo and can only do drawing, without any proper code or game engine experience. in very rare cases, you also get games with bad sex scenes, but with good gameplay, since the dev is good at coding games, but not at drawing.

thankfully, there are cases where porn games excel in both "porn" and "games", but that's a bit more rare.
and now someone may think "if you want good gameplay, just play a normal game, dumbass". this opinion is objectively wrong. if you have this opinion, you need to not have it anymore. why? because actually good porn games scratch not just that gaming itch, but also the fap itch. (you save time i guess). having porn also opens the way to new narrative paths, and there is some good, inexplicable feeling to playing games when you're in horny mood.

i know i may be wrong, but this is my take on it. do correct me if i'm wrong

overall, i'm just really mad how someone who played 1% of a very good game can rate it as dogshit just because it's not a sex storage monkey ooga booga gallery mode game
 

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despite them being called "porn games", people tend to only care about the "porn" and neglect the "games". and that's really fucking frustrating. imagine you have this incredible game; this really fucking good game, and then some guy comes in saying "dis game no monkey fap fap neuron activation brain ooga booga, therefore game bad".

there is this common misconception that porn games are just sex scene storages, where the gameplay is filler. no wonder many people just ask for full save files in most threads. you boot up the game, load the save file, watch the gallery.
truth is, there is no game in that, there is just porn. and if i wanted just porn, i would have watched actual hentai videos.

but i believe this is a problem born from the provider, and not the consumer. you can find a lot of games with decent, good, or even astonishing sex scenes, but which lack good gameplay. that's because in most cases, the dev works solo and can only do drawing, without any proper code or game engine experience. in very rare cases, you also get games with bad sex scenes, but with good gameplay, since the dev is good at coding games, but not at drawing.

thankfully, there are cases where porn games excel in both "porn" and "games", but that's a bit more rare.
and now someone may think "if you want good gameplay, just play a normal game, dumbass". this opinion is objectively wrong. if you have this opinion, you need to not have it anymore. why? because actually good porn games scratch not just that gaming itch, but also the fap itch. (you save time i guess). having porn also opens the way to new narrative paths, and there is some good, inexplicable feeling to playing games when you're in horny mood.

i know i may be wrong, but this is my take on it. do correct me if i'm wrong

overall, i'm just really mad how someone who played 1% of a very good game can rate it as dogshit just because it's not a sex storage monkey ooga booga gallery mode game
I agree with you only partially. Yes, I also would love to play games with a good story, good gameplay and good sex scenes.

But! Where here on a porn site! And on a porn site are good sex scenes really importend. After this comes the story and at the end comes the gameplay.

"if you want good gameplay, just play a normal game, dumbass". this opinion is objectively wrong. if you have this opinion, you need to not have it anymore.


This is one of the few arguments that I support 100% in your post.

overall, i'm just really mad how someone who played 1% of a very good game can rate it as dogshit just because it's not a sex storage monkey ooga booga gallery mode game


Yes, I played only 1% of this game. But like I said in me previous post. The gameplay is a big problem for me. I just hate games with the RPGM engine and the resulting gameplay.

And for the story? Its ok from what I have seen in this first hour.

But tell me why should I play a game where I dont like the gameplay, the sex scenes are really terrible and the story is only ok maybe good.

And in the end I would like to say to you we are both civilized porn game lover. I think you can write with me without that you are passiv agressiv.
Like this " "dis game no monkey fap fap neuron activation brain ooga booga, therefore game bad". " Or this "sex storage monkey ooga booga gallery mode game "
 

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While I do think Stm1234's initial response was a little too harsh against you, I also have to agree that your review was a little too harsh against the game.

I agree with you only partially. Yes, I also would love to play games with a good story, good gameplay and good sex scenes.

But! Where here on a porn site! And on a porn site are good sex scenes really importend. After this comes the story and at the end comes the gameplay.
I can't agree with you there. YOU might have the preferred order, of Sex, story, gameplay. But personally I have the order of Story, gameplay sex. Sex is meaningless to me if I don't care for the characters, and I don't want to sit through a game I do not like.

And frankly I'm not really with you when you keep calling the sex scene's bad. Again you can have a preference for 3d models and animations or whatever, but as a personal preference I much enjoy the text scenes as SL has a real talent for writing. This might blow your mind, but the images are actually a recent addition and many of the 5 star reviews and fans came when the art was purely text based.



Yes, I played only 1% of this game. But like I said in me previous post. The gameplay is a big problem for me. I just hate games with the RPGM engine and the resulting gameplay.
Okay that's the part where I think people might get justly a little miffed with you my dude. "RPGM" is CLEARLY up there with the tags in bright blue, if you do not like RPGM games, then why did you even bother? I'm not annoyed with your dislike of RPGM, I'm annoyed with you acting like that's a valid criticism against this game.

It's like see a pizza place, walking in, ordering piza, taking one bite, then throwing it to the ground and rating it "1 star, I hate pizza, so this place suck."

But tell me why should I play a game where I dont like the gameplay, the sex scenes are really terrible and the story is only ok maybe good.
I would say it's more of a case of "Why should I play the game when I dislike the nature of the gameplay, the sex scenes aren't my preference, and I'm not interested in the story."

And to my answer, no you should not play the game, it just doesn't seem it's for you.

And that's fine I get it, there are PLENTY of high rated games on this site that aren't for me. However, I think you are a little unjust to give it one star and call it terrible, as that is something that will discourage others from even giving it a chance, when I hope you at least see there is a lot to this game, even if it's not for you specifically.

TLDR: I don't blame you for being a square peg, but I think you should stop criticizing the game for being a round hole.
 

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And frankly I'm not really with you when you keep calling the sex scene's bad. Again you can have a preference for 3d models and animations or whatever, but as a personal preference I much enjoy the text scenes as SL has a real talent for writing. This might blow your mind, but the images are actually a recent addition and many of the 5 star reviews and fans came when the art was purely text based.
Yes, I would love too see 3d models and animations. But this is not the problem why I rated this game 1/5 stars.
I rated this because the sex scenes are terrible.
"-30% of the sex scenes are a wall of text with a black background
-60% of the sex scenes are a wall of text with one sex image in the background
-the final 10% of the sex scenes are normal you have in Text bubble the text and then over the Text bubble the sex scene"

This is the problem what I have with the sex scenes. When there was not a wall of text, then I would play this game definitely more. But I dont understand why the dev find it a good idea to cover 60% of the sex scenes behind a wall of text. When the text was in the Text bubble then this would be not a big problem for me.

Okay that's the part where I think people might get justly a little miffed with you my dude. "RPGM" is CLEARLY up there with the tags in bright blue, if you do not like RPGM games, then why did you even bother? I'm not annoyed with your dislike of RPGM, I'm annoyed with you acting like that's a valid criticism against this game.

It's like see a pizza place, walking in, ordering piza, taking one bite, then throwing it to the ground and rating it "1 star, I hate pizza, so this place suck."
Yes, I dont like RPGM games. But still I will test then maybe I find games that I like in with the RPGM engine.
And yes, I have find games that I like that have the RPGM engine.

Like Wicked Rouge or Treasure of Nadia.

Its like a pizza, you like the pizza margherita the most, but still you want test different types of pizza maybe you will find more pizza typ that you like.

And that's fine I get it, there are PLENTY of high rated games on this site that aren't for me. However, I think you are a little unjust to give it one star and call it terrible,
That is also true, there is many high rated games that I dont like.

And to the topic, that I unjustified rated this game 1/5 stars. I dont think so. But I will still change my review and write in my review that I only rated in this game the sex scenes and not the story or the gameplay.

The biggest problem that I have just have with this game is that 60% of the sex scenes are coverd behind a wall of text and this is not really fun. When the devs change this to the text bubble. Then I would come back to play this game.
 

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And to the topic, that I unjustified rated this game 1/5 stars. I dont think so. But I will still change my review and write in my review that I only rated in this game the sex scenes and not the story or the gameplay.
as you don't read textual sex scene, you think for real people will read your review and don't watch your one star and go away?
 
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Yes, I would love too see 3d models and animations. But this is not the problem why I rated this game 1/5 stars.
I rated this because the sex scenes are terrible.
"-30% of the sex scenes are a wall of text with a black background
-60% of the sex scenes are a wall of text with one sex image in the background
-the final 10% of the sex scenes are normal you have in Text bubble the text and then over the Text bubble the sex scene"

The sex scenes are terrible? Ok... you explain nothing about why. Guessing by what you write you're more of a honey select default moaning sound type of guy where the physics in the images never work and shit like that.


This is the problem what I have with the sex scenes. When there was not a wall of text, then I would play this game definitely more. But I dont understand why the dev find it a good idea to cover 60% of the sex scenes behind a wall of text. When the text was in the Text bubble then this would be not a big problem for me.
So you would play if a miniscule detail changed (the text size in sex scenes) that's fucking stupid bud.... The sex scenes are less then 1% of this game and if you do not like gameplay nor story just piss off please.

Yes, I dont like RPGM games. But still I will test then maybe I find games that I like in with the RPGM engine.
And yes, I have find games that I like that have the RPGM engine.

Like Wicked Rouge or Treasure of Nadia.

Its like a pizza, you like the pizza margherita the most, but still you want test different types of pizza maybe you will find more pizza typ that you like.
Other then the fact you're very contradicting (i dont like RPGM, i found games I like with the RPGM engine) your pizza example is bullshit. In your example you already like pizza, you clearly don't already like rpgm...


That is also true, there is many high rated games that I dont like.

And to the topic, that I unjustified rated this game 1/5 stars. I dont think so. But I will still change my review and write in my review that I only rated in this game the sex scenes and not the story or the gameplay.

The biggest problem that I have just have with this game is that 60% of the sex scenes are coverd behind a wall of text and this is not really fun. When the devs change this to the text bubble. Then I would come back to play this game.
The fact that you rate a game that you barely played and rank it based on a part that not really prevalent? That's for sure unjust.

And trust me no one wants you to come back, Sierra won't change it for you.
 
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And to the topic, that I unjustified rated this game 1/5 stars. I dont think so. But I will still change my review and write in my review that I only rated in this game the sex scenes and not the story or the gameplay.
imagine there is this really beautiful girl. beautiful eyes, nice face, incredible personality, is thoughtful and helps a lot of people.
now, she asks you out on a date, and you say no, because her tits are pretty fucking small.
the girl is actual quality and you reject her because she's got small tits.
that's fine, everyone has their own priorities. there are plenty men that could offer her company

the problem now, is that you go around telling everyone she's not worth it, because she's got small tits.
and that may influence some people to ignore her, or even to think of her as bad.

you may say "well, if my opinion influences them, then they weren't looking for personality in the first place"
you would be half right, because there are people like me.
a few years ago, i was looking for porn games only to coom. in fact, i came here when i saw that nice banner of yarra in the first post as preview (dem tiddies). while playing, i absolutely forgot why i was playing this game, but i was enjoying it. by the time i came to realize this is a porn game, i was already hooked in, i wanted to see what happens next. the sex scenes didn't exist just because they had to, but they existed as a reward, they had meaning.

and from there, the game only got better.

that's my point. some people won't know they like personality more than boobs if they don't get to try personality by accident. and your opinion is hindering that just because "boobas small"
 
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They do have a point though. The porn in this game could've been done better, the art quality in particular isn't great, I wish SL had been able to get a better artist. It is the games weakness especially early on when you haven't got to know any of the characters well or even met half of them by the time they stopped Simon has 2 out of what 27-28 harem members in the party and they're both new. I don't share their viewpoint and think one star is harsh but not wanting to play a game with porn because the porn isn't what you like isn't unreasonable disliking it for that isn't either.

People prioritize different things with games. It's no different to any other game in that regard where a game will be judged for it's mechanics, story and graphics porn games just have porn as another category. Where people that love a good story will stick with a game with sub par mechanics those more interested in gameplay may decide it's shit.


The porn in this is well written but it's art is not great and it tends to be 1-3 images. That just isn't going to be enough for some.
Art quality is fine, if that's the issue we can dismiss most games with 2d art. And it used to be text based anyway...
I myself don't give a shit, when I did a replay I barely skipped dialog but skipped most of the sex scenes just to get on with the story.

I just don't get why people would play rpgm games for the porn? Especially when it has combat mechanics. That tells you that there will be a lot of time just fighting monsters or grinding in some games. If you want images play a vn.

I get that you're not saying you think like them, don't get me wrong I'm not talking about you :) but specifically this part:

I don't share their viewpoint and think one star is harsh but not wanting to play a game with porn because the porn isn't what you like isn't unreasonable disliking it for that isn't either
I don't agree with. Them not wanting to play it is fine, but don't review it then. Its like me buying a product, finding out its not useful TO ME and giving it 1 star. Maybe just check what you buy beforehand, if you actually want it? If adults were to rate children's toys based on what they think instead of their child I think most toys would be 1/5 as well, you'd get reviews like "too easy" and "not challenging", yeah because the product is not meant for you (adult).

In this case both of the players (or 1, im not 100%) didn't like traditional rpgm mechanics to begin with... why bother then?
 
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I understand what you mean but still don't agree. If the content is not meant for you (RPGM, the game is clearly tagged as such), just don't go near it, or at least don't leave a review.

And porn being prevalent in RPGM? After an hour of fighting battles maybe? Thats the point of the RPGM games, its gameplay before porn (with some exceptions of games that shouldn't even be RPGM).

As far as art goes... Debatable, some people like x better then y. As an example I'm likely in the minority when I say I prefer 3dcg and because the majority thinks 2d is better doesn't mean it is..
 
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I understand what you mean but still don't agree. If the content is not meant for you (RPGM, the game is clearly tagged as such), just don't go near it, or at least don't leave a review.

And porn being prevalent in RPGM? After an hour of fighting battles maybe? Thats the point of the RPGM games, its gameplay before porn (with some exceptions of games that shouldn't even be RPGM).

As far as art goes... Debatable, some people like x better then y. As an example I'm likely in the minority when I say I prefer 3dcg and because the majority thinks 2d is better doesn't mean it is..


We have different views on an aspect of the game and we like it. Which would be represented in any review we gave. No one would say we shouldn't have left that review if it was 5 stars. Their's shouldn't be different. Porn is absolutely prevalent there is over 150 scenes in the game and sex is all over the storyline and sex happens repeatedly. This threads OP pictures don't show you fighting, investing or even talking it shows the sex scenes. If porn wasn't relevant that wouldn't be the case. It's just giving their opinion nothing more or less and I don't feel it's invalid because one aspect turned them away whether that aspect is story, gameplay, mechanics, art, sex scenes etc. On a site filled with porn games rating based on the sex scenes also doesn't seem unreasonable, wrong or something they shouldn't have done.

As I said avoiding any game made in an engine because you tend not to like them means you miss out on those that you do and you need to play them to know which ones you like. People won't and shouldn't have to avoid games or avoid reviewing them because fans won't like their opinion. They didn't like the sex scenes which made them dislike the game and not willing to go on they left a review stating as much. I mean should they not have left a review if they loved the game. But I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that and as we do the art :).

I think the same tolerance should be given to negative reviews we dislike as positive ones (if it's not trolling). Because otherwise it comes very close to an attitude of if you dislike the game I like don't post or review it, if you don't like the things I do about it don't post or review at which point there's no point to the reviews if they're exclusively a echo chamber of like-minded people.
 
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