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I was shocked when I repeated the fucklord section and discovered the Impaler can die there and it was simple..not even in a heroic battle or something
It is pretty brutal. I kinda like some moments in sub-optimal playthroughs because the setbacks you can suffer are usually not glorious, just a grim reminder at how abhorrent it is for people like most of the Incubus Kings to hold as much power as they do and abuse it so immorally.
 
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Stupid question: the art is ok (and I get that it's 100% amateur) but is there a major reason why so many scenes do not have art (and yes, I've read the blog posts about posting save files to catch up).

This is, quite honestly, one of the most mature and intellectually developed games ever to be made on RPGM (and knocks Skyrim into orbit).

So.................... why the lack of piccies? Add 1k more, this would be not just brilliant, but probably era defining. The current set are... wildly mediocre, but that's ok. We get it, it's amateur and done by someone who can't draw: but why... are there so many scenes without it?

Hint: these days you could AI art this in about 7 hrs. Just saying.
 

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Stupid question: the art is ok (and I get that it's 100% amateur) but is there a major reason why so many scenes do not have art (and yes, I've read the blog posts about posting save files to catch up).

This is, quite honestly, one of the most mature and intellectually developed games ever to be made on RPGM (and knocks Skyrim into orbit).

So.................... why the lack of piccies? Add 1k more, this would be not just brilliant, but probably era defining. The current set are... wildly mediocre, but that's ok. We get it, it's amateur and done by someone who can't draw: but why... are there so many scenes without it?

Hint: these days you could AI art this in about 7 hrs. Just saying.
Game production is just faster than art production in this case (and others in my experience) and each update usually adds at least a couple of pictures
As for why no AI, a lot of people simply don't like using it
 
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Wiki reports a RP gain with Elleani from the Tradesmasher investment that appears to not actually exist, anyone know what's up with that? Don't want to make any edits if it turns out it just needs a footnote on WHEN that +5 happens or something.
 

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Stupid question: the art is ok (and I get that it's 100% amateur) but is there a major reason why so many scenes do not have art (and yes, I've read the blog posts about posting save files to catch up).
Like Rasorui said, Sierra writes/programs faster than art can be made, and the game's been in production for far, far longer than art has been commissioned for it (IIRC art began being made around 1-2 years ago, while the game's been in production for at least 5). As for AI art- well, maybe I'm projecting, but I like to think that Sierra would rather pay some human artist to do work for her, instead of getting Skynet to do the work for free. Sure, the art would be technically better, but at least this way someone can make a living for their work.
 
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maybe I'm projecting

No, surely not... Well, probably just a little. :unsure:


Seriously though, I'd say that at the moment it's currently a six & two threes situtation in regards to AI generated art and paying an artist.
AI generated would require going over the images and checking for any visual error(s) the AI hasn't learned to not do yet i.e. too many fingers on one hand, awkard proportions in some parts etc. That's a lot time investment and potential reworking that a human artist wouldn't necessarily need to do when commissioned.
 

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I was shocked when I repeated the fucklord section and discovered the Impaler can die there and it was simple..not even in a heroic battle or something
It's a pretty good demonstration of what happens to people who go up against elder Incubus Kings, yeah. Seasons change, rain falls, and most of those who try just die
 
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Wiki reports a RP gain with Elleani from the Tradesmasher investment that appears to not actually exist, anyone know what's up with that? Don't want to make any edits if it turns out it just needs a footnote on WHEN that +5 happens or something.
There is not mention of that in the or in the page. In what page of the wiki have you seen that?

EDIT: it seems that it was on the Investments page. It has been already corrected.
 
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There is not mention of that in the or in the page. In what page of the wiki have you seen that?
It's in page (Tak'Kan, Profitable investments).

I think it's a mistake.
 

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As for AI art- well, maybe I'm projecting, but I like to think that Sierra would rather pay some human artist to do work for her, instead of getting Skynet to do the work for free. Sure, the art would be technically better, but at least this way someone can make a living for their work.
I don't think that's the concern at all, since there seems to be a lot of volunteerism going on with every aspect of the project except art. Rather, AI art actually just isn't very good, not just because of its "style" but because she wants the art to actually match the details of the scenes. Plus, at least the art has a distinct style if it's all done by this one human artist.

Anyway, I don't even accept the premise that the current art is bad. It's good. There's just a limit to how good anything looks at that tiny window size. And that's another advantage - the artist can draw with that limitation in mind, while the AI has no concept of how to adjust for it.

The long and short of it is that Simon, as someone who is in relationship with enough women to fill up a football team,
You mean Fuckball team? No, it's not happening.
consider forcing any of said women to be exclusive with him to be super hypocritical.
I'm not sure he ever said that, but of course they are not exclusive with him regardless. They have the whole rest of the harem, too. That's enough partners for anyone. There is a difference between poly and open relationship, and they don't have the open relationship.

And there's no forcing involved because most of the harem joins of their own free will, including all the succubi. (Gosh, but if you're scandalized that someone might voluntarily enter into an unequal relationship, don't look into BDSM lifestylers... or, you know, the whole Orgasmic Empire in-universe, built on master/slave relationships.) Anyway, it's a harem. Double standard is expected and in fact it's kind of the point. Yarra says she wants to build Simon a harem; Simon doesn't offer to build her one in return, because that'd be silly. Simon letting them have other partners at all is going above and beyond expectations. Crying about the hypocrisy is like crying that your sushi has rice in it.

Oh, but it is a trope subversion, someone will surely respond. Well, you still have to follow the trope some, or it's not even a subversion anymore.

you keep drawing parallels to irl human relationships (presumedly with sexual exclusiveness as a criteria for commitment), while other people see it as a succubus (fictional hypersexual creature) in a relationship akin to an open one (sexual exclusiveness is not a criteria for commitment)
Again, they have a poly relationship, but that does not imply openness. You can be poly and cheat; I have known this to end poly relationships IRL. And Simon is human, which means the succubi are all in a human relationship, and coming to understand human relationships is a significant part of Yarra's arc in particular.
 

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hey guys :)
what kind of incest does the game contain?
brother and sister?
An adopted daughter, and a succubus mother & daughter + Simon.
There's also stated happenings (nothing the characters witness) of incest between succubi parents and children, when the children are old enough, as a normal part of succubus familial relations.
 
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Again, they have a poly relationship, but that does not imply openness. You can be poly and cheat; I have known this to end poly relationships IRL. And Simon is human, which means the succubi are all in a human relationship, and coming to understand human relationships is a significant part of Yarra's arc in particular.
Option A: They are in a poly relationship and Yarra cheated on her beloved Incubus King without showing a hint of remorse, creating what should be a source of hurt for Simon and guilt for Yarra that goes unresolved for about 3 chapters and a half now.

Option B: They have an open relationship, which completely explains why this was not made out to be an issue in the slightest, is not treated as a NTR fetish by the game's writing, and makes sense for all the characters involved.

Eye of the beholder and all that, but it strains common sense to assume a game of this quality would commit such a blunder as option A and never rectify it, when there is a much more reasonable explanation in option B right next to it.

Also humans can have open relationships, Yarra coming to understand that humans also have closed relationships doesn't stop the first from being what works best for Simon and her.

Now if you want to have a conversation on if TLS should or shouldn't have open relationships in the "harem" (which Simon explicitely states it is just the name they use for their relationship and not beholden to any traditional ideas of one-sidedness or sexual subservience) then that's a different discussion. I don't think TLS was ever commited to the specific kink of a traditional harem relationship, but I can understand if some of the player base feels deceived when the game breaks away from it (even though I heavily disagree with the expectation).
 

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hey guys :)
what kind of incest does the game contain?
brother and sister?
No
Father and (step-)daughter (Simon and Robin)
Mother and daughter (Esthera and Nalili - cause you don't want a child to grow up to be neurotic freak, right?)
 

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In fact, I don't think that, in the whole game, there are two named characters who are brother and sister (there are two brothers, though).
 

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They are the two brothers that i had mentioned.
They're referred as twins, but Allue is a woman.

After first time you meet them in Zirantian feast Yarra comments Alluon:
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And then she asks Simon about Allue:
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(I assume Allue is a woman/sister as her avatar looks more femine.)
 
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