VN Ren'Py Completed The Lawyer [Chapter 1-3 Final] [Taboo]

[taboo22]

@taboo22 You should put the Complete tag in the title.

Good call. Done

 

[taboo22]

Nice story and scenes but shame there is not happy ending for MC ;(. She should have chance for backto life, she was very pretty with that long blond hairs.

Really? I don't know. I think it fits better that the only possible good ending was just her getting "even" by killing Susan.

 

[SirTwist]

I don't want to call this a review. I want to call it a list of problems I have with the game.
1) No real choices. Sorry, this irked me, and I had to quit.
2) Any good lawyer could have argued Emma's case out of court, in a heart beat, and Emma would have been free to go. Illegal detainment, no rights read, no informing of the case against her, no phone call, nothing. This was illegally done, and a judge would have put Susan into jail herself, and released Emma for all the bad handling.
3) Should have more story line. Back story, etc.
Again, not complaining, just some observations, or anything.

 

[taboo22]

I don't want to call this a review. I want to call it a list of problems I have with the game.
1) No real choices. Sorry, this irked me, and I had to quit.
2) Any good lawyer could have argued Emma's case out of court, in a heart beat, and Emma would have been free to go. Illegal detainment, no rights read, no informing of the case against her, no phone call, nothing. This was illegally done, and a judge would have put Susan into jail herself, and released Emma for all the bad handling.
3) Should have more story line. Back story, etc.
Again, not complaining, just some observations, or anything.

Hi Twist,
Thanks for the thoughts. I think all those observations have been talked about already.
1. I agree the first half of the game has pretty limited choices. I'm still trying to learn Ren'Py.
2. I agree, but that would have made for a pretty short and boring story if Emma would have just gotten off...
3. This story was meant to be short. Just needed a break from my much longer and in depth game Devin's Life.

 

[jon95]

Hi jon1945, That was a long list, but I will see what I can do. Thanks for the support.

Hi Twist,
Thanks for the thoughts. I think all those observations have been talked about already.
1. I agree the first half of the game has pretty limited choices. I'm still trying to learn Ren'Py.
2. I agree, but that would have made for a pretty short and boring story if Emma would have just gotten off...
3. This story was meant to be short. Just needed a break from my much longer and in depth game Devin's Life.

You did a good job buddy, although the game was short it was funny, there is some things that needs to improve but as a beginning it already good and I'm sure your future games will be better.
A more logical events, story line and Back story can make the story more fun but it alone can't determine whether a game is good or bad we are playing a game not attending a real court so at least for a layman like me a simple logic like ( there is evidence > catch the criminal > court > punishment ) is more than enough.
For story lines as long as there is enough story line to support the story, I care about more images than more story lines.
Of course if there were more characters, story line (not shitty long for no reasons), back story, etc I'll be more happy.
As for the content everyone has their own fetishes like horror, gay or NTR games some may not like but you can't criticize people for making them. I think it might be a good choice to make a tag representing extreme bdsm like in manga sites people who don't like it can just bypass, there more aggressive manga and games than this one but it still have its market and a very high rate of views. people say that they don't like this horror movie or how twisted it is but still watch it so don't mind other's and focus on your own way and improving yourself, there will always be those who criticize you some of it will help you while some you can just throw in the trash and forget about it.

 

[SirTwist]

Taboo22, a little research can help. I am not criticizing things, not even calling this a bad game. I am just saying this needed some work, and a bit of clean up. I didn't like the limited choices, or a couple other things. The other things I didn't care for was personal things to me, but I wasn't letting that get into my list. I will say that this is a good start. Some clean up, some added conversation and interaction, and some more choices can make this better.

 

[wongsinthink]

I agree that the pacing is quick in the game, it was meant to be. You should try my other game Devin's Life and let me know what you think.

Your comment about unusual fetish is surprising to me though. Granted the game is a bit more hard core than many others on this site. But I would in no way consider BDSM unusual. Maybe the humiliation aspect a little, but... Well, I just would consider it unusual.

Yeah, it's about the forced humiliation. You can see from the other replies, not many people likes how the female being treated without option for rebuttal even though she hates every moment of it. That's what makes it unusual in western adult game. Although you will find tons of this genre in japanese one.

 

[Renbos]

I totally agree with this and I didn't even make it further than the hairdresser.

If you are going to base things around the Earths people, at least make it semi believable before the porn part comes.
This killed all interest for me once she got arrested. Every part of that, how she lost all her power and money, not even once being told what she was arrested for and going on trial in those clothing would never be even tried by police officers. And this always sits in the back of my head for every scene afterwards where I'm constantly thinking "This is so out of touch with reality that it's unbearable."

Tried the game for the first time today, i totally agree that it spoiled the whole game for me. This guy does not know anything about law and how arrests work even the busting down her door. wouldn't even play further than the court case as its all just too far from reality.

 

[Lac]

[...]its all just too far from reality.

Do you also complain about a lack of reality when or better if you watch star wars or star trek or whatever?

 

[SirTwist]

The problems I have with the game isn't a lack of rality, rather it is a lack of research into laws. And lack of choices, especially in like the first half of the game. Any good lawyer would have the case thrown out for illegal search and seizure, illegal detainment, and other things. And the lawyer would also file a lawsuit against the city, the police, and the court system itself. Even a bad lawyer could have gotten around everything, and still ended up free as a bird, and still practicing law. This game is unreal, to me. Some people think that Twilight is a good series with the sparkling vampires. Vampires do NOT sparkle.

 

[Lac]

So at first it is not a lack of reality but the rest of your comment is a description of modern law and common sense.
This game is set in an alternative universe where everybody is mean, the law is twisted and there is no common sense. Nothing more.
I'm completely with you that nowadays such things shouldn't happen. But as i wrote a few pages back this is not the case. You all can be happy that you live in a supposed to be democracy but this is only a crumbling facade.

I am really glad there are at least a few people like the author of this game who push the limits. This just happens in your mind when you look at a few colored pixels. Nobody gets hurt.

Recently i watched a few episodes of fairy tail. There are many scenes in which the bad guys are way to cruel for my taste and where i thought the writers went completeley overboard with their viciousness. (There is also a strange lack of reality because in this anime there is magic and i never saw someone practice magic with my own eyes ... maybe i am just a muggle ... also i never saw a dragon yet) What i wanted to say is: i accepted this cruelty as artistic licence.
It is the same with the law and order in this game: the rules are made by the author, it's his artistic licence and it doesn't have to work like you know it or you think it should.

 

[taboo22]

The problems I have with the game isn't a lack of rality, rather it is a lack of research into laws. And lack of choices, especially in like the first half of the game. Any good lawyer would have the case thrown out for illegal search and seizure, illegal detainment, and other things. And the lawyer would also file a lawsuit against the city, the police, and the court system itself. Even a bad lawyer could have gotten around everything, and still ended up free as a bird, and still practicing law. This game is unreal, to me. Some people think that Twilight is a good series with the sparkling vampires. Vampires do NOT sparkle.

I agree with Lac 100%.

I just also want to add that I understand that plot is important. I enjoy when a show, movie or sex game has a good plot.

But, I chose to skip a long boring trial because who wants to read that? Do you really want to play a game where the first four hours is just text about how she got in the bad situation she is in? Or would you rather skip all that and see what happens after she is in that bad situation? Isn't the reason you're playing the game to see those scenes?

 

[SirTwist]

I am writing a book, in the book, there is a divergence in history, a very long time ago. However, the main progress of everything is essentially the same as what we have now. What is differentis there are vampires, werewolves, and other supernatural and para-natural beings. Aside from that, everything else that happened here, in reality, happened in my book. In most books, movies, and even games I play, the laws are typically what the U.S. follows, or what ever country it's set in. Unless it's a dystopian past, present, or future type book, etc. This game, while it seems to be set, to me, in the U.S., does not follow U.S. laws. When presented with the second case, the judge should have immediately thrown the case out, based on not reading the Miranda rights. Then there was not informing the person of why they are being arrested and detained. That, right there, should have had that cased over and done with. The police can hold you up to 24 hours, without telling you why they are detaining you. Some places longer, if there is a legal reason for doing so. However, the person being charged has to be congnizant of their potential crime. Without knowing that, the judge has to throw the case out. Because, it would be illegal, and the police, the judge, etc., would be up for charges themselves, and even have a lawsuit. This game I will never play again. Simply because it is premised on illegal actions all around.

 

[Lac]

I am sorry to say that but i think you didn't get the point. You still compare the game to american standarts. This is not the case.
This game could easily be set in yemen where at the moment is war or if you want it a little more cosy it's set in saudi arabia where women have literally no rights. If you do something wrong as a women they can just rape and kill you and it is completely legal in their minds. For me this is just horrible but it is reality.
So come out of your filter-bubble and open your eyes and your mind.

 

[taboo22]

I am writing a book, in the book, there is a divergence in history, a very long time ago. However, the main progress of everything is essentially the same as what we have now. What is differentis there are vampires, werewolves, and other supernatural and para-natural beings. Aside from that, everything else that happened here, in reality, happened in my book. In most books, movies, and even games I play, the laws are typically what the U.S. follows, or what ever country it's set in. Unless it's a dystopian past, present, or future type book, etc. This game, while it seems to be set, to me, in the U.S., does not follow U.S. laws. When presented with the second case, the judge should have immediately thrown the case out, based on not reading the Miranda rights. Then there was not informing the person of why they are being arrested and detained. That, right there, should have had that cased over and done with. The police can hold you up to 24 hours, without telling you why they are detaining you. Some places longer, if there is a legal reason for doing so. However, the person being charged has to be congnizant of their potential crime. Without knowing that, the judge has to throw the case out. Because, it would be illegal, and the police, the judge, etc., would be up for charges themselves, and even have a lawsuit. This game I will never play again. Simply because it is premised on illegal actions all around.

I'm blown away by the fact that so many people disliked the game for just the single reason that the court case was short.

I also question how naive many of you are when it comes to the US court system. Just a quick google search shows that more than 90% of US court cases never even go to trial. Of the less then 10% go actually go to trial most end short of a full trial due to some type of plea deal being struck. Per the New York Times 98% of cases end with plea bargains. So, yes maybe Emma was stupid to accept the deal without reading it... But not that crazy to think there could be a short trial and plea deal.

Also, clearly many of you didn't really read the story, go back to the very first day of the game, the first case where Emma help Walter White. Judge Mattson says "Than by the power instilled in me by The New Republic of New York, Mr. White, I declare you a free man." It's pretty early in the game, so I'm many of you may have missed it, but I state this is not the normal US. I know it's a small detail, but my attempt with this line was to show the player that we're not playing by conventional laws... I guess you just missed it.

 

[tombfall]

I'm blown away by the fact that so many people disliked the game for just the single reason that the court case was short.

I also question how naive many of you are when it comes to the US court system. Just a quick google search shows that more than 90% of US court cases never even go to trial. Of the less then 10% go actually go to trial most end short of a full trial due to some type of plea deal being struck. Per the New York Times 98% of cases end with plea bargains. So, yes maybe Emma was stupid to accept the deal without reading it... But not that crazy to think there could be a short trial and plea deal.

Also, clearly many of you didn't really read the story, go back to the very first day of the game, the first case where Emma help Walter White. Judge Mattson says "Than by the power instilled in me by The New Republic of New York, Mr. White, I declare you a free man." It's pretty early in the game, so I'm many of you may have missed it, but I state this is not the normal US. I know it's a small detail, but my attempt with this line was to show the player that we're not playing by conventional laws... I guess you just missed it.

I think they were expecting it to be more like Ace Attorney with lots of objections and people getting whipped.

 

[drugs21]

well i'm a lawyer (not in the USA) and i don't give a flying fuck about that lol. Your game was good, but not enough choices

 

[taboo22]

well i'm a lawyer (not in the USA) and i don't give a flying fuck about that lol. Your game was good, but not enough choices

Thanks and I agree. Try Devin's life, there is a lot more to that story.

 

[Jhustla]

@taboo22 First off, I liked the game, but I have a one thing to say about it. I feel that one of the choices should have been that Emma begin to love what was happening to her. The end should have shown her willingly going into the box. Then when Susan is telling her that she would be there for the rest of the five years, instead of saying help me, Emma says thank you. Susan then says you're welcome and then leaves. Then when the guys come back Emma gets a big smile on her face. Also I agree with you on the fact that killing Susan was the good ending. It showed that Emma was stronger than Susan and couldn't be broken and that she would be okay in prison because it couldn't be worse than what she went through already. Plus for the couple of people that asked the cellmate was Devin from Devin's Life. So does this mean that Emma Ross shows up in Devin's Life? I haven't started Devin's Life yet but would like to know. But please keep up the good work.

 

[taboo22]

@taboo22 First off, I liked the game, but I have a one thing to say about it. I feel that one of the choices should have been that Emma begin to love what was happening to her. The end should have shown her willingly going into the box. Then when Susan is telling her that she would be there for the rest of the five years, instead of saying help me, Emma says thank you. Susan then says you're welcome and then leaves. Then when the guys come back Emma gets a big smile on her face. Also I agree with you on the fact that killing Susan was the good ending. It showed that Emma was stronger than Susan and couldn't be broken and that she would be okay in prison because it couldn't be worse than what she went through already. Plus for the couple of people that asked the cellmate was Devin from Devin's Life. So does this mean that Emma Ross shows up in Devin's Life? I haven't started Devin's Life yet but would like to know. But please keep up the good work.

Hi Jrrodmck,

Glad you enjoyed the game. I won't confirm that your guess of who the cell mate was is correct or not. You will just have to play Devin's Life's future updates and see what happens. It's not hard to figure out though...

It seems like most adult games that are made end up with the female character ending up enjoying the situation they're in. I always find that I enjoy the content leading up to that point more enjoyable then the content after. Once the character wants the attention the entire premise changes. I can see a possible ending where that happens, but I think that will be only one possible ending among a long list of other endings that are not so happy. The Layer and Devin's Life are both games centered around humiliation and degradation. In my mind that's a lot more fun of a thing when the person being humiliated and degraded doesn't want it.