Well, yeah... forgive me. I'm new to that so, I didn't think to promote it. It is definitely an excellent solution as well. Plus you pick up on a bit more lore and story insight along the way... Of course we are speaking of Maviarab's excellent Walkthrough found on the OP.
You know I was one of them who said the end scene should be easier to get. We had this conversation and all your points you made, and some of them you repeated here, are valid and after several playthroughs I made I'm saying you are right. That's why I want to make a big THIS under this statement of Maviarab:
Ceo, don't change it to 13 points. If you really feel the need to make it easier, make it 14 points (minus the "bitch" point), but I think you shouldn't change it. The more time I play this Chapter and the more I learn about Medb and the Ljosálfar culture, the more I believe the current state of the requirements fits the best.
That I've never questioned and I'm happy you do. I've seen too many really good games going downhill after devs changed their visions to please demanding players. The best stories are those which are unique and yours is, because you do it your own way.
It makes sense once you do it and see her response, but why would you pick that unless you were trying to piss her off? That's a classic 'task failed successfully' type scenario.
I'm not sure the war actually can/will be preventable. The only difference in the paths will be if you are an enemy of the Alfar, on good terms with them and whether or not you're going to actively help the Templars either way.
In my head i always thought it would of been neat had finnabair gotten pregnant just from that one encounter but it was probably scrapped. Can't imagine the dev pulling some kind of 5d chess move were she got pregnant and transferred the egg to someone else all within a 1-2 day period.I was looking at some of the files in the game and came across this dialogue, but can not figure out how to get it play in the game. I think this is a better ending to Chapter 5
Ceolag
Is this play through in a future revision? I personally think it would add a new dimension to the game between the Alfars and the Templars... just saying. Keep up the good work.
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I was at 16 out of 17 points for Medb and, with the Walkthrough, I was able to get the missed point when I chose not to refer the Alfar women as bitches...
Ohhh I would love that. But then I'm a sucker for being an old romantic so...I was at 16 out of 17 points for Medb and, with the Walkthrough, I was able to get the missed point when I chose not to refer the Alfar women as bitches...
I think it would be enjoyable if, much further down the road, Medb asks him about favorite moments he's shared with the Alfar and he told her:
'I liked that you smirked after telling me to never call you a bitch again. It showed me a sense of humor that I might some day enjoy.'
Whether or not we will get that level of lighthearted moment any time soon given the high likelihood of war is doubtful, but If we get that down the road, it will be something I enjoy and recognize as the MC and Medb having moved far from the beginning of their relationship.
I think I will break out the champagne when the MC points out something so humorous to Medb that she laughs so hard she has to hold onto him - shared humor being so important to any good relationship, especially one that grows into a romance.
IMO, that kind of laughter accepts vulnerability and clearly shows connection.
Cheers!!
Oh shure, just tell her that Kaija is an inocent, honest and unpoluted lamb and sooo femenine......I was at 16 out of 17 points for Medb and, with the Walkthrough, I was able to get the missed point when I chose not to refer the Alfar women as bitches...
I think it would be enjoyable if, much further down the road, Medb asks him about favorite moments he's shared with the Alfar and he told her:
'I liked that you smirked after telling me to never call you a bitch again. It showed me a sense of humor that I might some day enjoy.'
Whether or not we will get that level of lighthearted moment any time soon given the high likelihood of war is doubtful, but If we get that down the road, it will be something I enjoy and recognize as the MC and Medb having moved far from the beginning of their relationship.
I think I will break out the champagne when the MC points out something so humorous to Medb that she laughs so hard she has to hold onto him - shared humor being so important to any good relationship, especially one that grows into a romance.
IMO, that kind of laughter accepts vulnerability and clearly shows connection.
Cheers!!
Alternatively, have another option (besides the bitches-one) also give +1, like "And you're still rude."
You're welcome, of course; feedback is the least I can do given how much I'm enjoying the game. And I very much appreciate you taking the time to respond.Thanks for the long post, ename
I've taken my notes for future updates.
One thing I'd like to address is the ending part. I got that suggestion in Beta too. With pretty much the same reasoning.
It's not an oversight, it's done on purpose in this case. While I understand the demand of the player to see everything, it doesn't fit Medb's character.
She's the one in charge at that moment and it's her decision. Not Finnabair's, not MC's. And just because you're friends it doesn't automatically mean you're allowed to participate in that specific scene.
I had seen that happen a few times myself. Even very close friends or family weren't allowed to participate.
It would be completely against Medb's character to invite MC if she's not convinced about him.
The "MC could watch from a distance" is very close to a plothole imo. How would he know where and when? How would he get there while being considered almost an enemy at that point? Ailill could bring him in... against Medb's and potentially Mab's will?!
No... character motivation trumps everything in this scene for me. Every other solution would be a stretch at best.
HOWEVER:
I understand that it might be too hard to get that scene even if you're trying for it. With a wiggle room of 2 points and 1 point being very "unintuitive" to get there's not a lot of room for mistakes.
I'll drop the requirement for that scene to 13 points which is in line with all other LI's thresholds for their story (~75%).
The Steam version will get rolled out with that change and Patreon will get it with the next update (or a minor update...).
Thanks again for your long and exhaustive feedback.
Cheers,
Ceo
I do take your point, but I don't think refusing to make ANY changes for fear of the slippery slope is a good idea. No one is perfect; mistakes will happen despite our best efforts. Doubling down when someone points one out rather than correcting the mistake is a recipe for disaster.
I don't want to pour further fuel on a fire that seems to be dying, but my point was this: if you play through the chapter without seeing the "Daughter of the Sun" scene (and assuming you spared Finnabair's life), it feels very much like the television cut out in the final act of an episode. The events of the story come to a sudden halt, with no chance for narrative or (especially) emotional resonance. Seeing the "Daughter of the Sun" scene changes that experience *completely* - in ways that extend far beyond Medb. IMHO, that's too large a difference to be healthy. It's one thing for a chapter to be longer or more satisfying if you're on a certain path, but it should never feel gutted unless you're on a path.
I mean you going to the funeral doesn't even make sense unless you we're doing Medb / Finnabair content. Your not suppose to have everything if your not willing to play threw their parts of the game. You don't see me complaining because i don't go for Kaija or the red head or the nerdy girl and i miss a lot of content by doing that but it is what it is.
I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall.
Why? Medb is family, the mother of Finnabair. MC is..., well,... nothing. Just a friend, maybe. Finnabair reports everything to Medb. That's why you get Medb points when you're talking to Finnabair. When Finnabair's mother don't like MC enough, why should she invite him to one of the intimatest moments of a family?
I actually thought about that earlier today and your right but i also believe the pregnancy clinic scene that someone posted earlier that seemed to of been scrapped made Medb realize that the MC was more then just a "friend" to Finnabair, hence why he got the invitation.
You keep emphasizing that she is your friend and it gives you some rights.
First of all, that's not really a fair argument since someone who misses the last scene would not know Medb is Finnabair's mother. To them, she dies and the the story ends without any wrap-up. There's no reason to assume things would be different if only Medb thought the MC was hotter.
I don't think that can be the case since fucking Finnabair isn't a factor in getting the invitation. You will lose a Medb point if you don't flirt with Finnabair right from the start, but you can afford to miss that point (though you have precious little wiggle room), and you can still turn Finnabair down when the time comes without consequence.
Why does everyone think I want the MC to barge into a funeral? I've said specifically again that is not the case! This isn't about the MC's legal rights, it's about narrative closure! A character I care about dies, and the narrative simply ends with absolutely no acknowledgement of how big a deal this is... unless I racked up a bunch of points with a different character. That's just frustrating! For crying out loud, even Obi-Wan Kenobi got a few seconds for Luke to mourn him in Star Wars, and that guy was *the* quintessential doomed mentor! How can it be so confusing that I want the equivalent of that scene for Finnabair?!
