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Mostly the Legends and the Mythologies on what the game is based, for extra stuff check his Discord
I didn't doubt what she said, Since you said you like Myths, just wanted to point you where you can find something.
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I didn't doubt what she said, Since you said you like Myths, just wanted to point you where you can find something.
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Ok, thanks! I'll check it out. Just wondering now if MC IS the child that she plucked from his dead parents in the streets of (some city) in Ireland because I don't think the couple that raised him are his parents and Fiona and his parents haven't been in a room together to get a reaction but I'm guessing that she is older (probably much older) than she looks.
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I only agree if she was the aggressor but lets say she was only acting in self defense or other Templars she was with started it I can't blame her for killing Finn , especially when it's a life or death situation. What is she suppose to do not eliminate anyone attacking her or her allies when doing so could also mean her death instead. Sure be more ideal to just knock them out but that would be harder to do instead of going for the kill or injury them severely when in an active life or death fight , especially against 2 factions that kill one another regularly in skirmish fights.
I won't like it but killing her when she isn't a bad person to me is petty , too harsh and to much no matter what happened unless she was the aggressor . To me killing her in this scenario would make me / the MC worst than Kaija has ever been throughout the game as the MC would be killing an innocent person for something she wasn't at fault for.
Now if Kaija was a bad person instead of someone that is just an liar and made mistakes. Id probably feel differently and at least consider killing her if the option was there even tho it would make me a hypocrite.
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why would kaija has to act on self defense though? throughout last chapter finnabir went on a character development arc and wished for no war, then why would she go and attack templars willingly?, even if she is dead i dont believe she was killed by kaija, but maybe she was there when it happened and it will hurt MC to know she was there. I believe it was that asshole in the council who didnt want to give MC the sword killed her maybe, and it will lead to MC killing him, one of the council member of templars killed by heads son will sure put a spin to the story though
And I still hope Finnabir is not truly dead and developer has some plans to bring her back alive later in some way
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You are assuming it's only Finnabir vs Kaija. But there could be other elfs or Templars that attacked first and started the fight which was my point. As long as Kaija wasn't the aggressor either other Templars or some elfs that started it I wouldn't blame her if she was the one that did kill Fin. But yeah we don't even know Kaija was involved we are just assuming and making hypothetical situations for the sake of conversation.
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Yeah, it's possible that Finn was killed by Templars (even Kajia) because they wanted information about what happened to MC. It's unlikely to the point of absurd that Finn went and attacked the Templars, just at the point where MC had pretty much convinced the elves that war wasn't necessary. That's would make zero sense.
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Damn, you're still at it guys))
Brainwashed at early age or not, Kaija is a capable human being, and just like MC she spent a lot of time outside, she wasn't raised in a tower without any contact to outer world. Hence when it comes to making decisions, by that moment she already should have known what is good and what is bad, like, for example, pretending to be in a relationship with your childhood friend to make you job easier is not nice thing to do.
Any decent human being who genuinely cared wouldn't do that.
Whether she fell in love eventually or not (depending on your path) doesn't negate what I said.
And blaming templars for everything... - nah, Kaija is a smart girl, I would even say very cunning, she perfectly knew what she was doing and what consequences it would have.
Just my 2 cents.
Just a small remark from me
Brainwashed at early age or not, Kaija is a capable human being, and just like MC she spent a lot of time outside, she wasn't raised in a tower without any contact to outer world. Hence when it comes to making decisions, by that moment she already should have known what is good and what is bad, like, for example, pretending to be in a relationship with your childhood friend to make you job easier is not nice thing to do.
Any decent human being who genuinely cared wouldn't do that.
Whether she fell in love eventually or not (depending on your path) doesn't negate what I said.
And blaming templars for everything... - nah, Kaija is a smart girl, I would even say very cunning, she perfectly knew what she was doing and what consequences it would have.
Just my 2 cents.
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I agree with this. I think Kajia i just as responsible as anyone for what happened - though I did start a playthough where you remain with Kajia but burn bridges with your parents and the Templars just to see how that works (no idea yet because you don't see Kajia between the "burn bridges" decision and going to see the Elves.) I think it's entirely possible though that she killed Finn - possibly trying to find out what happened to MC.
I really, really hope Kaija and Templars are not responsible for killing Finn.
That would be 1st time since this VN started it was dev decision I disagree with
Relationship with both Kaija, Templars and parents is strained to the point of breaking already.
Adding more to that pile would just be cruel.
Just my 2 eurocents, I'll go back to lurking now.
That would be 1st time since this VN started it was dev decision I disagree with
Relationship with both Kaija, Templars and parents is strained to the point of breaking already.
Adding more to that pile would just be cruel.
Just my 2 eurocents, I'll go back to lurking now.
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What you said is true there is no denying that. I think where my mind goes with the brainwashed theory is the Templars control Kaija too much. So my thinking is when it comes to entering a fake relationship ( love path only where it isn't only about the job). When she saw a chance at anything that can resemble a relationship , freedom , a temporary escape or happiness. She acted selfish in that moment and never looked back until she was in too deep. Under those conditions and my line of thinking I find it easy to forgive and feel bad for her even tho it is still shitty. But that is just me im a very forgiving person, too forgiving in fact.
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I think many have forgotten an important factor in whether the Templars or Kaija killed Finnabir
And Finnabir spied on the MC for Medb
And Finnabir spied on the MC for Medb
I still think that there is a strong possibility that Finn was killed either at the instigation of the third party or by the third party with a coverup to obscure who did the actual killing.I really, really hope Kaija and Templars are not responsible for killing Finn.
That would be 1st time since this VN started it was dev decision I disagree with
Relationship with both Kaija, Templars and parents is strained to the point of breaking already.
Adding more to that pile would just be cruel.
Just my 2 eurocents, I'll go back to lurking now.
We already know that the third party includes one or more powerful illusionists since we believe that one of them cast the blur/camouflage spell on the Damas that was sent to kill Medb in Neverwhere.
Could they hide several assassins outside the detection range of the Templars and Alfar who may (or may not) have met accidentally?
Attacks coming from the Templar's direction with responding attacks coming from the Alfar direction could easily escalate into a small battle - with the reason for the start of that battle lost to the 'fog of war.'
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As Medb's daughter, I think she carried a larger voice than some/many of her peers.
Her switch from 'hate all humans' to 'war with the humans is a bad idea' would make her a target for the third-party supporters among both Alfar and Templars.
The haters on either side could be unknowing pawns being influenced by the still hidden third party.
I'm curious what the templar position will be on who killed Finnabair and if the MC will find some among the Templars who do not agree with the 'official' story.
Will he be able to share this story with Fiona for example?
Will, in either this next release, or a future release, he get something from Fiona from a 'friend' who she asked to check into his concerns about Finn's death and the surrounding circumstances?
Ceo has us all playing Sherlock Holmes and I'm looking forward to both getting more clues and seeing who gives us those clues!
Cheers!!
Youre all way too easily resentfull and vengeful similar to how our mc acts immature and narcistic in the beginning.
At this point we simply lack information to judge anyone (kaija, templars, parents, elves) too harshly and everyone is already like yyyeaaahhh lets crucify kaija and genocide humanity !!! she lied to me after all!!!
At this point we simply lack information to judge anyone (kaija, templars, parents, elves) too harshly and everyone is already like yyyeaaahhh lets crucify kaija and genocide humanity !!!
she lied to me after all!!!
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Could not agree more tho I admit Im ready to get rid of the templars even without knowledge to make a good decision of what faction I like more because I grew quite fond of Elfs. I assume it be a different story now that Fin is dead ,if the MC should return even if Medb vouches for us.Youre all way too easily resentfull and vengeful similar to how our mc acts immature and narcistic in the beginning.
At this point we simply lack information to judge anyone (kaija, templars, parents, elves) too harshly and everyone is already like yyyeaaahhh lets crucify kaija and genocide humanity !!!
I hope/think it wont be a black/white story aka the evil templars versus the good elves, it seems more like a story where all factions are kinda fucked up at least partially which i prefer.
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yeah same tho I can't see a scenario where it isn't a black/white story for the hellspawn / demons, but this dev seems good at throwing a surprise at us so who knows.
Well they probably arent the most honorable knights but they could still be used/controlled by someone else
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Hey everyone and sorry to interrupt you,
time for the next Dev Update.
This was a pretty standard week. I built the next test build last weekend, did some test runs on it, and already found a few bugs to fix. Getting that build done was a bit more work than expected due to the number of renders and the branching of the scene.
But it's done now and I moved on to the next part of the scene.
This one's going to be "fun." 6 assets with dforce on it that need to be simulated every time the poses change even just a little bit. To make it even better, the animations in that scene need the assets to be simulated for nearly 400 frames.
If I'm not bitching about branching, I'm bitching about dforce, it seems... :-D
Anyway, I still got a few things done besides the test build.
The numbers for this week:
48 new static renders for a total of 877
3 new animations for a total of 7
145 new lines in the script file for a total of 2616
The plan for next week is to continue the work on the animations and get them done (hopefully) by the end of the week.
Have a nice weekend, guys.
Cheers,
Ceo
P.S. Feel free to go back to the Kaija/Templar discussions now.
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Feel sorry for ya Ceo that ya doing dforce ... hate todo something with dforce, but good luck that the Explosions or Crashes stay away from ya.
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It is a bit off topic, sorry about that just out of curiosity, is there a better engine than D,force? I heard that explosions are specially challenging due to the sheer amount of particles going everywhere.