VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

[TrixRabbit]

While im not a Kaija hater but lover. I think if I was to give such an ultimatum Templars or me it wouldn't be until after the father is rescued. As I wouldn't want her mind clouded trying to help us get our father back. While the father sucks he is still my father id want to get him back. So I wouldn't want to distract her with something like an ultimatum until after. But lets say more than a week or 2 goes by without any progress id take the chance and tell her after our father is back or killed she has to make a choice. ( I forget the timeline for rescuing the father ) But that is just me.

Not me. I would have been much more pissed at MC's dad than MC in the game was even before he was rescued and without an answer from Kajia - I wouldn't have gone anywhere with her - wouldn't have met her in the park to talk, wouldn't have gone to Neverwhere with her. I would have needed an answer to have ANY faith or confidence in her in any capacity. I would have asked her to choose, and if she chose the Templars, I never would have spoken to her again.

 

[TrixRabbit]

Agreed, saving father was priority, cunt he is, but it needs to be done.
Ultimatums before that would be petty and childish. There's a serious job on hands, leave arguing for latter.

Always said ideal scenario would have been for MC to save his father, then tell them all to go fuck themselves, and leave.
Kaija can choose, follow him, or stay working.

Wouldn't make for much of a game though

To paraphrase Pitch Meetings: "But why didn't he leave all of them?"
"So the game can happen"
"Oh right, we do want game to happen"

Yeah but it's kind of a catch 22 for Kajia (for me anyway) because at this point.

1) Parents lied
2) Kajia Lied
3) Parents lied abotu Kajia
4) MC meets new girl, who really likes him (and he can tell because on first meeting she tried to kill him.
5) Parents / Kajia / Templars kill new girl

So while initially I was angry and hurt, now I'm ready to head back and kill some templars ... so it's a little late for Kajia to decide that she's going to quit.

 

[Dessolos]

Not me. I would have been much more pissed at MC's dad than MC in the game was even before he was rescued and without an answer from Kajia - I wouldn't have gone anywhere with her - wouldn't have met her in the park to talk, wouldn't have gone to Neverwhere with her. I would have needed an answer to have ANY faith or confidence in her in any capacity. I would have asked her to choose, and if she chose the Templars, I never would have spoken to her again.

I get that if there wasn't a serious matter with the father unless you don't care if he lives or dies then I can see it. But when there is a serious matter like with the father being kidnapped and need saving making her do such a thing, when she is a capable fight and probably one of the stronger ones in the order comes off as really petty and dumb to do. Then again id want the father to live maybe you don't or don't care if he dies at this point , so all you care about is where you stand with her Kaija and protecting yourself.

 

[TrixRabbit]

I get that if there wasn't a serious matter with the father unless you don't care if he lives or dies then I can see it. But when there is a serious matter like with the father being kidnapped and need saving making her do such a thing, when she is a capable fight and probably one of the stronger ones in the order comes off as really petty and dumb to do. Then again id want the father to live maybe you don't or don't care if he dies at this point , so all you care about is where you stand with her Kaija and protecting yourself.

I wouldn't say "don't care if he lives or dies" at least at that point - close to it, but I would want to talk to him first. However, I wouldn't have wanted that conversation badly enough to work with Kajia. (Also - we went to Neverwhere without knowing that freeing MC's dad would be the end result so I just wouldn't have gone there - not with her. It was a bit insensitive of them to even suggest that under the circumstances.

 

[Dessolos]

I wouldn't say "don't care if he lives or dies" at least at that point - close to it, but I would want to talk to him first. However, I wouldn't have wanted that conversation badly enough to work with Kajia. (Also - we went to Neverwhere without knowing that freeing MC's dad would be the end result so I just wouldn't have gone there - not with her. It was a bit insensitive of them to even suggest that under the circumstances.

Honestly yeah I didn't like how we went to Neverwhere even on the love path I felt things weren't really settled , just kind of made up for the job without any real conversation. Tho I will say even on the hate path she is the only templar I would even consider trusting.

 

[TrixRabbit]

Honestly yeah I didn't like how we went to Neverwhere even on the love path I felt things weren't really settled , just kind of made up for the job without any real conversation. Tho I will say even on the hate path she is the only templar I would even consider trusting.

If she was the only option I just wouldn’t have gone.

 

[nitkonikic]

If she was the only option I just wouldn’t have gone.

Refer to this post by Ceolag (that took some time to dig out):
Post by Ceolag

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[Dessolos]

If she was the only option I just wouldn’t have gone.

yeah on the hate path if I had the option would of been the Valkyrie girl or not at all. But if there was no option for me Kaija is literally better than any other templar for me , even if she was still doing a job on the hate path I trust her more than the rest.

 

[Wolfram99]

5) Parents / Kajia / Templars kill new girl

Did you forget that the MC himself can kill the new girl?

 

[Maviarab]

Gonna be a good day in here today...can feel it in my coffee!

 

[HornyyPussy]

HOLY HELL!!!

YOU'RE STILL AT IT!!??


Mildly impressive

 

[nitkonikic]

HOLY HELL!!!

YOU'RE STILL AT IT!!??


Mildly impressive

End of year, working from home, change freeze (IT), not much to do.
Pointlessly debating imaginary characters from porn VN is a good way to kill time.

And unlike reddit (and Templars and Kaija), it's civilized.

 

[TrixRabbit]

yeah on the hate path if I had the option would of been the Valkyrie girl or not at all. But if there was no option for me Kaija is literally better than any other templar for me , even if she was still doing a job on the hate path I trust her more than the rest.

yeah. I get all of that. It just still bugs me every time I go through it. For me there is only the hate path. I can’t see any reason within the text of the story to give Kaija the benefit of the doubt or any more chances. I just hope I get the option to kill her soon - because it is also too late to change my mind about her or the Templars in general and any more scenes where I’m forced to go hang out with or talk to her will just start to get offensive narratively

 

[Maviarab]

And unlike reddit (and Templars and Kaija), it's civilized.

Well....most of the time perhaps lmao.

 

[TrixRabbit]

Did you forget that the MC himself can kill the new girl?

No - but I haven’t in any of my games and now I need to kill all of the Templars and burn the organization to the ground- then salt the Earth where it stood

 

[TrixRabbit]

Unless he's gathering intel for Medb - If, after Finn, MC just goes back to taking long walks with Kajia and chatting with Templars in bars .. it might be game killing for me.

 

[TrixRabbit]

I was just thinking about it (during the back half of a meeting that wasn't really relevant to me) and this is going to be a huge challenge for the developer going forward because of the branches. If you have one save where you're on the Kajia love path and are still on good terms with MC's parents, and one where you're on the Kajia hate path - and had a relationship with Fenn, there should be almost zero overlap between the scenes you get when you return. Even if you have a coffee with MC's sister - the dialogue should be vastly different.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Unless he's gathering intel for Medb - If, after Finn, MC just goes back to taking long walks with Kajia and chatting with Templars in bars .. it might be game killing for me.

The more opinions I read, the more I want to wait and see. There are a few gaps in the story so I think there is a lot more info to come around Kaija, the parents and Finn. For example, did the Templars attack Finn or were they defending themselves? Was it even the Templars? Was it Kaija? and so on.

The only absolutes I can see so far is:
- Kaija chose the Templars over the emotional well being of her childhood friend.
- Kaija fucked up by entering in to a relationship with the MC instead of staying at a friend level.
- The parents are at the very least, ignorant when it comes to their son's emotional wellbeing.
- The father and Templars were negligent when it comes to the MC's physical wellbeing.

The fact that Kaija had to keep secrets for her job is one thing, but keeping secrets like that when they involve me (MC) directly, her 'best friend and lover', no thanks, I don't need or want friends like that. I'd never trust her again.

 

[TrixRabbit]

The more opinions I read, the more I want to wait and see. There are a few gaps in the story so I think there is a lot more info to come around Kaija, the parents and Finn. For example, did the Templars attack Finn or were they defending themselves? Was it even the Templars? Was it Kaija? and so on.

The only absolutes I can see so far is:
- Kaija chose the Templars over the emotional well being of her childhood friend.
- Kaija fucked up by entering in to a relationship with the MC instead of staying at a friend level.
- The parents are at the very least, ignorant when it comes to their son's emotional wellbeing.
- The father and Templars were negligent when it comes to the MC's physical wellbeing.

The fact that Kaija had to keep secrets for her job is one thing, but keeping secrets like that when they involve me (MC) directly, her 'best friend and lover', no thanks, I don't need or want friends like that. I'd never trust her again.

But see, even the math on that isn't adding up for me. Kaija is about the same age as the MC, and her skill levels (for combat, driving etc) are off the charts - like a global elite level. You don't do that with a two year community college degree.

I used to have neighbors whose daughter wanted to be an Olympic figure skater. From early childhood she trained probably 6 hours / day on average + school. (She didn't make it, fwiw.) To get to the level she's at Kajia would have had to start training in early childhood. So, I'm assuming to get to her current skill level she's been in training - for many hours / day since before she and MC knew each other, or at least as long as they've known each other. Which would mean that she has known all along about the Templars, and about his parents and has been hiding a significant part of her life from her "best friend" the whole time.

Is it possible that the Templars didn't kill Finn? Sure, but unless I have evidence to support that, I'm going to take Medb's word and assume that they did.

Does it matter to me if Finn tried to kill Kajia first, and died in the attempt? No.

If I found that they didn't kill Finn would it make a difference? It would probably be the difference between me never wanting to speak to any of them again, for any reason and wanting to kill them all. But I would still offer to serve Medb in whatever capacity she needed me to. If she says yes, then I'm back to killing Templars. If she says no, then I go home and hang out with Fiona - Talking to Rebecca (alone, on her own, and not in Templar HQ) is the closest I'd get to talking to the Templars and I wouldn't even give Rebecca any information the Templars might be able to use against the Elves. I'd just tell her that the Templars are completely lying about them, and they are just trying to protect themselves from the Templars and who are bad.

 

[xapican]

Rebecca

Who the Fuck is Rebbeca ?