VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

[Dessolos]

But see, even the math on that isn't adding up for me. Kaija is about the same age as the MC, and her skill levels (for combat, driving etc) are off the charts - like a global elite level. You don't do that with a two year community college degree.

I used to have neighbors whose daughter wanted to be an Olympic figure skater. From early childhood she trained probably 6 hours / day on average + school. (She didn't make it, fwiw.) To get to the level she's at Kajia would have had to start training in early childhood. So, I'm assuming to get to her current skill level she's been in training - for many hours / day since before she and MC knew each other, or at least as long as they've known each other. Which would mean that she has known all along about the Templars, and about his parents and has been hiding a significant part of her life from her "best friend" the whole time.

Is it possible that the Templars didn't kill Finn? Sure, but unless I have evidence to support that, I'm going to take Medb's word and assume that they did.

Does it matter to me if Finn tried to kill Kajia first, and died in the attempt? No.

If I found that they didn't kill Finn would it make a difference? It would probably be the difference between me never wanting to speak to any of them again, for any reason and wanting to kill them all. But I would still offer to serve Medb in whatever capacity she needed me to. If she says yes, then I'm back to killing Templars. If she says no, then I go home and hang out with Fiona - Talking to Rebecca (alone, on her own, and not in Templar HQ) is the closest I'd get to talking to the Templars and I wouldn't even give Rebecca any information the Templars might be able to use against the Elves. I'd just tell her that the Templars are completely lying about them, and they are just trying to protect themselves from the Templars and who are bad.

ive always been a Believer in the theory / idea that Kaija has been brainwashed by the templars from an Early Age , especially for how skilled she is , ( If I recall she is one of the stronger Templars). This one of the reasons among others I find it easier to forgive Kaija , and don't blame to many things on her as I put most of the blame on them not her.

Even entering the relationship I don't blame her for as I see it it's one the few things she has done that made her happy. Is it wrong cause some of the secrets sure depending on who you ask. I find it hard to be mad or blame her for it when I think how she most likely been brainwashed by them at a young age so her doing something that makes her happy even if it's wrong I find easy to forget and forgive. To me everything she has done even the things she did that was wrong makes more sense if she has been brainwashed and trained by the Templars from an early Age. ( Like the Jedi)

 

[TrixRabbit]

Who the Fuck is Rebbeca ?

Sorry, meant Jessica.

 

[xapican]

Sorry, meant Jessica.

I'm laughing about the confusion, Jessica is MC sister and has except the ties through her parents nothing to do with the Order of Knight Templar, you got me twice really confused with "Rebecca"

 

[TrixRabbit]

ive always been a Believer in the theory / idea that Kaija has been brainwashed by the templars from an Early Age , especially for how skilled she is , ( If I recall she is one of the stronger Templars). This one of the reasons among others I find it easier to forgive Kaija , and don't blame to many things on her as I put most of the blame on them not her.

Even entering the relationship I don't blame her for as I see it it's one the few things she has done that made her happy. Is it wrong cause some of the secrets sure depending on who you ask. I find it hard to be mad or blame her for it when I think how she most likely been brainwashed by them at a young age so her doing something that makes her happy even if it's wrong I find easy to forget and forgive. To me everything she has done even the things she did that was wrong makes more sense if she has been brainwashed and trained by the Templars from an early Age. ( Like the Jedi)

Ok but to me being brainwashed might make her sympathetic but it also makes her a lost cause, especially if it was from an early age. She would never be not brainwashed, at least not fully. So IF that were the case or what I believed, I still wouldn't want anything to do with her. Like I said - the only path to redemption for Kajia would have been leaving the Templars - I mean I would have told her that at the kitchen table the first night (with MC's mom) and would have expected an answer - one way or another - by the time we met in the park. It's too late now. By the time MC comes back from the Elves, if Kajia were to run up and say she's missed him and left the Templars - I don't think I'd believe her. (It would have to be verified by a lot of things - like no more late nights, no more "business trips", no mysterious phone calls etc ... for a long, long time. )

 

[TrixRabbit]

I'm laughing about the confusion, Jessica is MC sister and has except the ties through her parents nothing to do with the Order of Knight Templar, you got me twice really confused with "Rebecca"

Yeah, she's who I meant - that's the closest I'd get to talking to the Templars. Jessica - on her own, not with any of the others or in Templar locations.

 

[xapican]

Maviarab do you got some coffee ?

 

[xapican]

Yeah, she's who I meant - that's the closest I'd get to talking to the Templars. Jessica - on her own, not with any of the others or in Templar locations.

If you burnt bridges with the parents, then you will get that she comes over to your site, but be warned she will try to bring you back to the family, or at least to forgive them, given the situation on that path.

 

[Dessolos]

Ok but to me being brainwashed might make her sympathetic but it also makes her a lost cause, especially if it was from an early age. She would never be not brainwashed, at least not fully. So IF that were the case or what I believed, I still wouldn't want anything to do with her. Like I said - the only path to redemption for Kajia would have been leaving the Templars - I mean I would have told her that at the kitchen table the first night (with MC's mom) and would have expected an answer - one way or another - by the time we met in the park. It's too late now. By the time MC comes back from the Elves, if Kajia were to run up and say she's missed him and left the Templars - I don't think I'd believe her. (It would have to be verified by a lot of things - like no more late nights, no more "business trips", no mysterious phone calls etc ... for a long, long time. )

Yeah I get it. I actually used to not be fully on the hate Templar train until the last update cause of Finn. I was always split cause they did wrong the MC but was never enough for me to fully hate them either. As I felt the Elfs were probably just as much in the wrong as the Templars. So now I do want that option to have Kaija pick me or the Templars. Ideally I would of liked to ask her after getting the father back while I didn't fully hate them then I also wanted to get her away from them, as I saw they were bad news for a relationship which is what I want with Kaija and still do. But now I want that choice more than ever.

 

[TrixRabbit]

If you burnt bridges with the parents, then you will get that she comes over to your site, but be warned she will try to bring you back to the family, or at least to forgive them, given the situation on that path.

Oh I know, I expect that. It won't work - especially after Finn, but it doesn't mean I wouldn't talk to her anymore. Just gently remind her from time to time that it's not a topic that'll get us anywhere.

 

[TrixRabbit]

Yeah I get it. I actually used to not be fully on the hate Templar train until the last update cause of Finn. I was always split cause they did wrong the MC but was never enough for me to fully hate them either. As I felt the Elfs were probably just as much in the wrong as the Templars. So now I do want that option to have Kaija pick me or the Templars. Ideally I would of liked to ask her after getting the father back while I didn't fully hate them then I also wanted to get her away from them, as I saw they were bad news for a relationship which is what I want with Kaija and still do. But now I want that choice more than ever.

And I also did a Fiona only playthrough and I really like her. So even if something substantial changed now, I don't know that I'd go back to Kajia. (Just wish I could figure out what Fiona reminding me of ... Irish, red hair, travels around with a super extra protective hound that seems really unusually smart - even by smart dog standards. All ringing a bell ... just haven't been able to make the connection yet.)

 

[Dessolos]

And I also did a Fiona only playthrough and I really like her. So even if something substantial changed now, I don't know that I'd go back to Kajia. (Just wish I could figure out what Fiona reminding me of ... Irish, red hair, travels around with a super extra protective hound that seems really unusually smart - even by smart dog standards. All ringing a bell ... just haven't been able to make the connection yet.)

Yeah I might end being more on the Fiona train once we get more info. I really like her and Medb alot , Kaija just barley beats them for me I think for now.

 

[TrixRabbit]

Yeah I might end being more on the Fiona train once we get more info. I really like her and Medb alot , Kaija just barley beats them for me I think for now.

I have one game that is fully monogamous with Fiona, and one that is fully monogamous with Medb (but that one may be a celibate playthrough since I've got max points with Medb but haven't even managed a hug yet.)

 

[Dessolos]

I have one game that is fully monogamous with Fiona, and one that is fully monogamous with Medb (but that one may be a celibate playthrough since I've got max points with Medb but haven't even managed a hug yet.)

I don't got all my saves made yet. but these are all my saves I have planned
Kaija Love Path ( side with the Templars)
Kaija Love Path ( burn bridges and fuck the Templars)
Kaija Love path ( I cheat on her on this one)
Fiona solo
Medb solo
Elea solo
Manslut
Might make one where I cheat on Medb

 

[xapican]

And I also did a Fiona only playthrough and I really like her. So even if something substantial changed now, I don't know that I'd go back to Kajia. (Just wish I could figure out what Fiona reminding me of ... Irish, red hair, travels around with a super extra protective hound that seems really unusually smart - even by smart dog standards. All ringing a bell ... just haven't been able to make the connection yet.)

Finn has a Tiger, Fiona has an Irish Wolfhound....... we suspect that Fiona is Superhuman or a Tuata de Danan, Orlà is her poweranimal

 

[TrixRabbit]

I don't got all my saves made yet. but these are all my saves I have planned
Kaija Love Path ( side with the Templars)
Kaija Love Path ( burn bridges and fuck the Templars)
Kaija Love path ( I cheat on her on this one)
Fiona solo
Medb solo
Elea solo
Manslut
Might make one where I cheat on Medb

I don't know why, I just can't get very interested in Elea - if there were + opportunities that didn't say "Path" I took them but I just can't get that interested in her. And as for Medb ... like I said I am at full points with her and haven't gotten a hug yet so if I wanted to fuck around a bit, I don't think she'd care. (I haven't been with anyone except Finn in that one, but Medb also hasn't shown the slightest interest yet so I feel safe).

 

[TrixRabbit]

Finn has a Tiger, Fiona has an Irish Wolfhound....... we suspect that Fiona is Superhuman or a Tuata de Danan, Orlà is her poweranimal

Yeah, I get that, there is just a particular story - something more specific, I just haven't figured it out yet (I have read a ton of folklore and mythology).

 

[kingman01]

I don't got all my saves made yet. but these are all my saves I have planned
Kaija Love Path ( side with the Templars)
Kaija Love Path ( burn bridges and fuck the Templars)
Kaija Love path ( I cheat on her on this one)
Fiona solo
Medb solo
Elea solo
Manslut
Might make one where I cheat on Medb

FUCK Kaija, hot or not she broke the trust of MC, despite she fell for him later or not it will always be started as just a "mission"
Developer should create a path where she is made a cuckquean and watch MC with other girls? is that manslut route suitable for it?
P.S - Just a funny thought

 

[pitao]

eh? can you use the edit button TrixRabbit , makes no sense to double post 1 minute after the first post. I can give a hint if the problem was with the quote, just cut all you wrote with the quote in it and then edit the previous post and paste it there after what you wrote. Doesn't take that long hehehe

 

[Dessolos]

I don't know why, I just can't get very interested in Elea - if there were + opportunities that didn't say "Path" I took them but I just can't get that interested in her. And as for Medb ... like I said I am at full points with her and haven't gotten a hug yet so if I wanted to fuck around a bit, I don't think she'd care. (I haven't been with anyone except Finn in that one, but Medb also hasn't shown the slightest interest yet so I feel safe).

Honestly yeah Elea is kind of boring she is my least favorite. But she has her moments like the beach date was alot of fun and good and does make me question my interest in her. But most of the time she isn't all that interesting to me as a character compared to the rest. While a character doesn't need to be interesting for me to want to romance them ,up until the beach date and nightclub she also didn't catch my attention.

FUCK Kaija, hot or not she broke the trust of MC, despite she fell for him later or not it will always be started as just a "mission"
Developer should create a path where she is made a cuckquean and watch MC with other girls? is that manslut route suitable for it?
P.S - Just a funny thought

Been talked to death but I got reasons why I like Kaija or feel I can trust her on the Love path personally but I agree with you on the hate and friend path.

 

[kingman01]

Honestly yeah Elea is kind of boring she is my least favorite. But she has her moments like the beach date was alot of fun and good and does make me question my interest in her. But most of the time she isn't all that interesting to me as a character compared to the rest. While a character doesn't need to be interesting for me to want to romance them ,up until the beach date and nightclub she also didn't catch my attention.


Been talked to death but I got reasons why I like Kaija or feel I can trust her on the Love path personally but I agree with you on the hate and friend path.

I to have her on a love path now(with a manslut path on side), but still when first time played this game i was shit mad at her for some reason, I mean I understand her POV but in that situation any rational guy would choose to hate her for atleast some time though right? reasonable or not